LilyRain

I already have. One doesn't simply get a killstreak with a "useless" class of weapons and I've done it with the one that is considered low on that class. Your claim is FACTUALLY far from reality. If you have this much time to blame shotguns, work on your abilities, you might've gotten somewhere by now.

But why? The sun should light upon us every now and then. Moreover, couldn't this permanent nighttime setting wait till the known issue is addressed?

What really needs to happen is a filter where those who have no clue to what they are suggesting (such as yourself) to not be allowed to speak.

Says the guy who claimed ALL shotguns are useless. Your words carry zero value. ------------------------- That image shows PvE teammed up with Springhour, which you lot don't even compare to their level. Go ahead, call them "low skilled", doesn't make it true. ------------- Say what you will to make yourselves feel less pathetic, it won't change the reality of the situation that you guys aren't even remotely relevant nor qualified to speak correctly in any game balancing thread.

"Done talking with you." → appears back instantly. The mark of a Troll. I'm sorry but you don't make the rules. 1 count that is worth twice the score, simply because LTL is an uphill battle and more rightfully so. You don't even know how to read scoreboards. If you understand fragile is a bad mod then you should understand the feat. Doing well with a bad mod is a good thing in itself, not the opposite like you have claimed. Not really hard to understand but apparently all you can do is bark Silver this Silver that like the dog you are with zero substantiation. You try to downplay others because you can't rise up yourself, simply pathetic. And because you tried to downplay the list of opponents by saying "In the pic you showed there's no good criminal".... for your information, I did also MVP missions against some of the best players using LTL and fragile as well. I recorded parts of the match in slighly low bitrate for economical purposes but the scoreboard can be made sense of: This is the last piece of undeniable proof. I hope you learned something today but that's doubtful. I have better things to do. "Done talking with you"

I see your knowledge is still lacking in almost every way there is. - 1 arrest = 2 kills, so your math is simply wrong. That's effectively 31 to 15. - You speak as if fragile is an advantage when it isn't. If you are a true gold, you'd get out of your clotting agent 3 comfort zone, which you can't. Perhaps you're the one who should quit, you use easy-mode setups and you're still not relevant, lmfao. Try talking to me again in 100 years.

Kevlar: Thank you for indirectly buffing me, I needed it. But solo-play will be further gimped. Spending longer on a single enemy would make a lot of solo-players just not play.

This is in image of me getting a kill streak with it as it is supposedly a weak shotgun. I am not saying it is the best weapon in the world but for hexerin to say that ALL shotguns are in an "unusable" state is outrageous. The proof is solid, he's factually wrong. And no, not anyone can pick up LTL in fightclub and do well, it has many inherent disadvantages that the player needs to KNOW how to work against. In fact LTL has every disadvantage there is except effective range which goes against the idea of arresting as an Enforcer is supposed to be in close proximity (the debateable part is O-PGL CD, which magically turned out decently for that thing but hey, that requires max cop role which most people won't bother to continue arresting at that point. It also has the standard weaknesses of a grenade launcher). In many cases, LTL is just plain suicide in fightclub let alone to actually claim arrests. You actually need to know what you are doing as most CQC and LMG weapons can kill you 30-45% faster. Now add Fragile to the mix.... That was what I proved to one guy back there. You don't want rayscaling back and you are right but people in here do. APB doesn't need easy-mode kills that are even easier than PMG/OCA, mechanics that cater to people who want "guaranteed" kills when their enemies are literally about to leave their Field Of View. That's literally the furthest thing away from "balance". A tighter spread would be more than enough for Thumper as it is already as fast as nfas (heck one guy said it fires slow) but these guys shouldn't reflect their problems on the game, they should learn proper distancing, aim and how to click at correct rythms.

You're not even good enough to discuss weapon balance. You're done.

Shotguns are unusable, eh? CQC weapons unusuable, okay... I decided to give shotguns a spin. I did it with Thumper so there would be no further bullshitting and here is the result: Seems fine to me. I mean look at that, an "unusable" weapon managed to get a kill-streak! By direct-contrast, it appears we don't even have to examine the actual beastly shotguns such as CSG. Like seriously, the only 'wild shit' on the forums have mostly been coming from you specifically even MattScott commented on your sarcasm. Keep your nonsense to yourself till you learn better, thank you. "Again, last time I saw you you were silver" Yeah, you can keep repeating baseless claims. Like look, I can do it too: Weren't you Bronze last time I saw you? See how that doesn't really work? Lies aside, let's examine your garbage. You MAIN marksman weapons (obviously a sad camper) as well as shotguns (yet you can't click a thumper at its fire-rate as you declared before).... have 300k kills then still think you're something. On the other hand, I MAIN LTL with Fragile and I can literally MVP asylum with that setup: I am sorry but you're not on my league. And with your prior complaints, you don't get to say who is Silver and who isn't. Learn to literally click on a mouse before you even think of speaking. Didn't you say "Bye" before? Why are you still here? LOL But you'd be a much better person if you learn from your own advice. I hate to break it to you but you're the "delusional" one in here. ------------------------------------------------------------- The Shotgun Ray-Scaling trash was reversed for a reason. Learn proper distancing and to land your shots. That garbage shotgun-buff by LO should stay dead and for good reason.

Not sure why you had to tell the world that you are dead weight when carrying a shotgun.

The fact that you are replying to a portion that wasn't said to you is self-explanatory. Bye it is, you are a lost cause.

Enjoy bypassing VIP and last-stage-objective sloweness for just $APB 10,000

I already have a Thumper, thank you. Plus, I see no value in pleasing a simp. Simps are garbage by default. I'd believe you if you didn't make all the mistakes above. You have shown complete lack of knowledge. And it is astonishing how someone supposedly has 300k kills yet can't max-fire a Thumper, then still thinks he's Gold. (Heh, let's face it, you probably were some OCA/PMG easy-mode player who can't use actual challenging weapons. No wonder you complained about firing semi-autos). Keep the jokes coming, you're already finished.

There are many semi-auto weapons in the game and it isn't hard to fire them at their limits. You have no point here, only showing lack of skill. Absolutely wrong, 1-slot JG is more than enough to make it "good". Like where do you even get your information from?! And that's your 3rd mistake. No, JG is substantially easier to get than Thumper. I already told you that..... But it seems that you believe JG requires 2 slots to be "good", which is why you looked at pointman rank 10 (which requires 1500 kills) compared to Rank 5 (200 kills). That's right, you only need 200 kills to get a 1-slot JG, which again is more than enough for the weapon. Currently, the cheapest Thumper on EU is at 700,000 $APB, the most expensive is 900,000 And funny enough, on NA no Thumpers exist, so you can't 'just buy one'.... lmao Now you tell me, Sherlock... would you get $APB 700,000 from 200 kills as well as the mission payouts while getting them? The answer is a big fat NO. Heck you wouldn't get that much even if you go for the 2-slot JG. -------------------------------------------- The next time you try to bs, at least say something that is remotely correct.

No. The reason why you'd see more JGs than Thumpers is that there is no leasable contact-version of Thumper. If there was, you'd see more Thumpers than JGs. But they'd both be relatively a rare sight still. As far as investing in weapons goes, it is better to go for something that is simply better than both. CSG (or the reskin, Tas-20) is objectively better. Moreover, why shotgun at all when many people like easy-mode options such as OCA 'Whisper' or defaulting to PMG? Yes... that's right, THAT's why people don't care about Thumper because literally 85% of APB can be played with those 2 disgusting weapons. All I did say that Thumper is slightly more beastly than JG and you lose it. Point being if people are fine with JG then they should be fine with Thumper as well, because it is simply more accurate and has the potential to kill faster. It seems you interpreted that as shotguns shouldn't get improved at all, which I never said. Bold of you to assume that I did not and no, stats DEFINE weapon roles in the game it would be stupid not to learn how to read them. Thumper and JG happen to be doing their assigned role quite well. I would normally ask you to share the clip (which you should've already) but the problem is already apparent, "13 meters"... What made you think the weapon would function at full-lethality from that distance? Right, you didn't learn how to interpret spread values. Plus, what connection are you even trying to make? You speak as if JG can 2-shot at 13 meters. Newsflash: It CAN'T, not even with Improved Rifling 3. It takes 5 shots, FIVE. Perhaps it is you who should equip weapons and play around with them some more. I agree with every thing but you have made two critical mistakes: - Thumper doesn't have "slow rate of fire". 0.3s for a shotgun is not slow by any means whatsoever. It is literally almost identical to NFAS' (0.29s). - While the shotgun patch that made shotguns broken powerful & the subsequent one cancelled that monstrosity indeed conditioned people into shotgunning with awful aim, what I said still stands. Thumper is more accurate than JG. If you guys understood that as Thumper is some magical weapon, that "sh*t" is on you.

Unless the stats on APBDB are a lie (which they aren't), they are in fact the truth. Thumper is more accurate than JG.

It is all-around superior to JG. It kills faster (0.6s vs 0.65s), has the same base accuracy (8 cm at 10m), has tighter spread (125cm at 10m vs 150cm at 10m), has better mobility (sprint delay 0.45s vs 0.65s), faster reloads (0.5s vs 0.6s) and better damage dropoff range to help compensate for its red mod (15m vs 10m). https://apbdb.com/items/Weapon_Shotgun_DOW_Slot2_ArmasJB https://apbdb.com/items/Weapon_Shotgun_JG_Slot2 The niche is its mod. Much tighter spread but half the fire-rate. Marksmanning it is not the way. Just go CSG/Tas-20 at higher CQC-ranges (or drop down to being a PMG/OCA garbo-player).

Yes but the effect is so miniscule the answer might as well be no. The following image shows the accuracy stats of NFAS that has Reflex Sight 3 and Cooling Jacket 3. Reflex Sight 3 improves Run Modifier by 10% (1 → 0.9). However... Cooling Jacket 3 increases spread alone by 50% (150cm → 225cm) as well as increase the shot modifier cap (spread) by another staggering 70% (1 → 1.7). Add to these the fact that NFAS doesn't really have any time to recover during its automatic firing (Fire Intercal is 0.2697s but Recovery Delay is 0.6s), which makes the situation even a bit more worse. The negative effects of Cooling Jacket on NFAS are so high that Reflex Sight won't help. Reflex Sight is generally considered useless on shotguns overall. Perhaps but there was another thing. While reducing the fire rate seems fair in exchange for more range, it made automatic weapons a lot easier to use. N-Tec started to handle like N-Tec 'Ursus', so the skill-factor in controlling shots was effectively gone. Additionally, due to how powerful and easy-2-use close ranged weapons are, it made their lives even more guaranteed against those using assault rifles in close range, because assault riflers by default sacrifice mobility when marksman-aiming in order to land shots. Close Rangers can also equip cooling jacket, making it rather impossible to lose without actually missing shots, which is rather unfair skill-wise. ---------------------- Tier 3 Mods aren't always the best choice. Cooling Jacket 2 is often seen better to use compared to Cooling Jacket 3, simply because of how big the negatives are with cj3 in exchange for a tiny benefit that is often not worth it.

Good notice, it doesn't. They can afford it, that's why things like Obeya CR762 are still strong with CJ3. It already has good range so it doesn't need IR3. CJ3 works well on it. Correct. SMGs are mostly short-range so CJ3 won't hurt them as much. CJ3 PMG is a very strong choice. N-FAS with CJ3 though makes it spread too much. It requires almost kissing-distance to work. That would be much more straightforward for CJ3. Not necessarily a bad thing at all if tuned right. There was a previous change for Heavy Barrel that made it fire slower. It was too excessive so it was reverted.

It does but indirectly. APB is a game of distances. Cj3 makes weapons substantially more likely to miss due to bullet-spread. In a sense, it shortens your optimum weapon-range in exchange for some speed. (e.g medium-range weapons become short-high-range weapons). Attempting to use a weapon at its original best range will easily require an extra shot. That extra shot increases time-to-kill by a lot on many weapons. In that sense, DPS-wise, its drawback is comparable to Heavy Barrel's.

Spot on, balance is whack even for endgame. Surely fresh Characters will naturally suffer. The exception is Clotting Agent 3 + "green gas" (medspray). That combination doesn't really work. If you see someone using it just continue the fight, it won't contribute to healing them at all.

You can keep repeating the word "delusional", it is all you can say at this point. I've given you numerous chances even though you sealed your deal from the get go. You aren't good enough to discuss this and using your frustration from P5/N5 deaths that don't really matter is the ultimate proof, more so you tried to argue that Spotter/Tagger are less 'wallhacky' than the Bounty System. You're done.

Because balancing is influenced by taste, not by what is better for the game. Yes, LTL should remain weaker than lethal counterparts for very good reason (to not give Enforcers an edge) and I very much agree with that. But it is very easy to slightly buff LTL while maintaining that law. Instead, they nerfed LTL and buffed OCA on the SAME PATCH by not just nerfing PIG, but by making it completely useless (Stamina damage 950 → 675): https://www.gamersfirst.com/apb/news/2020/9/11/weapon-balance. Their reasoning I heard was 'to prevent stunning those falling from a certain height', right. That doesn't necessate this much of a nerf. Later on, they pretended to 'forget' that they were supposed to rebuff it to 750, which they have done later.

Seems like you're describing yourself. I have ARRESTED AND BEATEN some of the best known players around and I would most certainly have no problem arresting you too, thank you. It does since that was your only argument, which didn't really say a single objective issue about the Bounty System. Just your own personal frustrations of getting owned. No, you cannot. The average time to kill in this game is 0.75s. Some weapons kill faster, others do it slower and that is the case in a 1v1 scenario. You're trying to argue that you alone vs 3-4 other players can hold out till your teammates arrive? The spawn screen alone requires enough seconds for a person to be killed. I guess it is YOU who never participated in "very competitive matches consisting of the best players". You wouldn't last remotely as long as you claim. Which is why this is a checkmate against your entire argument but sadly you are incapable of reading... Yet AGAIN, I repeat: "Golds will continue to play the game irrespective of being spotted, tagged or being P5/N5". You have just confirmed this fact. The Bounty System existing or not won't change anything in this very regard. And no, the Bounty System is not griefing, it is playing the game. Having it disabled is closer to griefing that not since it enables griefers to do their thing while being virtually God Mode. This should be very easy to understand.