LilyRain

Let's see here, 11 people. According to you, 11 comments represent 170 NA players + 420 EU players + God knows the # of those watching the game till it gets better by some sort of a miracle. And since you mentioned vsb, he also says: "anyone whining for a ttk nerf without any buffs in exchange just straight up doesn’t understand balance". This is a direct response to your cries about 'Secondaries should be inferior to Primaries, unconditionally'. So that 11 goes down to 10 at the very minimum. It is very apparent who is the "child" here.. You bluffed against factual stats from APBDB, FAILED and still continue to argue against what is set in stone... So you resort to an even more useless, petty level. Nice try, you failed again. Have fun learning to click better than an average .45 user. Best of luck.

- No. Be glad the better players are fans of the Colby .45 because you will have no chance against them otherwise. This naturally includes Cheaters as well. - Again, I care about facts as proven prior. Emotions and opinions have no place in an objective discussion. - There were no "most", speak for yourself.

'I was proven wrong so I'll claim to stop responding, proceed to further respond and play victim'. Believe what you will, let's see how many believe you.

Correct mindset. Problem is you're fighting on the wrong side. You'd actually make APB less enjoyable like those before you also thought they were in the right.

Fr0g's slightly extra damage over 200 helps it reach 15 meters than a flat 12m. A great deal in exchange for 3 additional bullets, giving fr0g the ability to kill 2 players before the need to reload. People seem to always neglect that .45 can kill only 1 player at a time. A major weakness in APB, the game where going solo is purposefully made a death sentence. 'Not good enough to face a Cheater using a 0.8s ttk weapon on your own? No problem. Just rush the Cheater because health-Cheats do not exist. He factually can't kill 2 people at once with .45. He WILL DIE like anyone else'. ------------------- Having extra damage is like having more computer memory. It is of no benefit unless to cross a new milestone threshold. In the case of secondaries, we can't freely equip mods like Heavy Barrel to transform any extra damage into useable benefit. The extra damage .45 does compared to Fr0g (225 vs 210) is enough to bypass Kevlar ONE, which realistically nobody equips. This further solidifies the qualities Fr0g has over 45.

That is something to be grateful about. At least there is a chance vs a Cheater using .45. What will you do if Cheaters decide to aimbot and speed-teleport with OCA, JG, CSG, N-TEC, SHAW, Euryale, Carbine, N-FA 9, etc...?

If only those special districts have the waterfront northern section unpatched, so we get to phase out and drive on water again. Good old times.

You should "realize" that 12m is factually 15m for max effective damage (200 HP per shot), more than enough for that powerhouse. Learn how to read "Range Damage Dropoff". Sounds perfect. Hug with the secondary, swap to primary for extended range (and factually FASTER ttk than the somehow problematic 0.8s to an extent). They complement perfectly. No issues here whatsoever. Oh, is that a fact? RSA kills in 1.6s, N-HVR kills in 1.75s. So no, it is not a fact. RSA does indeed win, every single time. PLUS, thanks to LO, N-HVR won't deal full damage without actually being in marksmanship aim (right mouse click), because they wanted to kill 'quickswitching'. So even in the extreme crazy close-mid range scenario that shouldn't happen, RSA can still run and gun while N-HVR has to sit like a turret. RSA only loses to N-HVR if the Player is dumb enough to try and play outside its effective range. Didn't even have to think about this one. That is.... the point of the Fr0g... A stronger .45 WITH 10 shots rather than 7 but with some range cut off... You just proved my point. I literally mentioned the weapon BY NAME and you still didn't get it. I fear people will complain that it is harder to use while .45 is as basic as FBW. The reason why people want .45 nerfed is because both the Veterans and Cheaters have taken a liking to it. That 'difficulty' is nothing to Cheaters. They can cancel out all forms of compensation and simply automate maximum lethality. And weapon descriptions mean nothing. Especially in the case of N-HVR, they didn't even update that one.

You must be talking to yourself because that is literally that. Speak for yourself. As small as the playerbase is, it is in the hundreds while you and your gang can be counted on one hand, 2 max. You're done.

You are basically Little Orbit in a parallel timeline. Yes, perfect solutions are simply not achievable. That does NOT mean it is okay to move to a worse place. It is not a motivation/reason/excuse. What do you think the latest attempts with SARD and prior to it, the open-source-for-developers Easy Anti Cheat were? Exactly that... they were attempts to 'detect' Cheaters. ------------------ My friend, LO CAN'T DETECT. They ended up false banning so naturally they'll end up false kicking as well. Cheaters will figure out how to bypass ban/kick Triggers within only 1-2 hours after whatever LO comes up with goes live, period. So ultimately, you'll only piss off actual players by getting them kicked. You won't affect any Cheater with this.

Thank you for asking genuine questions. I don't function with opinions, I only care about objective facts. Opinions have no real place where facts are already established. To name a couple, factually, you should know that FR0G 'Kokoe' PR1 & N-FA 9 "Quickdraw" PR1 are unquestionably far more objectively useful in a serious disgusting-loadout vs standard Colby .45. Those that can't tell why should keep their 'opinions' in their pockets. Both are available PERMANENTLY in the Joker Store for roughly the same price as Colby .45, which a free-2-play player can get by... simply existing. And the logic of 'Secondaries shouldn't compete with Primaries' is outright nonsensical. Else, let us have N-HVR kill faster than every secondary in the game, just because 'it is a primary weapon'. Like, no, that's just not the way. What "investment", 3000 Joker Tickets? lol.. The problem is that the "complaints" about .45 being "OP" are simply... false. lol like... if the weapon was out of line, we would've spoken about it before you, thanks.

As far as the 'opinion' of 'Secondaries shouldn't be as strong as Primaries' is concerned. Even if we agree to that (which I don't), Colby .45 is NOT the most busted secondary weapon in the game. I'm afraid that argument is blown out of the water.

That has its own downsides as well. Cheaters will get kicked. Then, they will keep trying till they know how to effectively not trigger the anti-cheat. Then we're back to normal. They'll continue cheating without getting kicked.

You're automatically a fool for thinking nerfing .45 is the way forward.

Another massive mistake. Standing is not the same is running and gunning. You won't be typically "standing" in a real match. You'll be running, that's why it is called RUN MODIFIER. Your basic example doesn't factor in that Colby .45 has a x1.5 modifier from that example while 'Whisper' with RS3 actually improves by x1.01. "What means nothing" is the accuracy of a weapon in close range when it SIMPLY kills slower. Use your head please. Thanks for your input but I encourage you to learn the game before you remotely think you are qualified to make balance suggestions.

Big mistake.. The only point here is that you have no clue to what you are blabbing about, trying to deceive the masses on something you clearly did not research. Here, I'll make their accuracies when running crystal so there won't be any further lies: OCA-EW 626 'Whisper' PR2: (Accuracy Radius at 10m: 34 cm) x (Run Modifier with RS3: 0.99) = 33.66 cm at 10 meters. Colby .45 AP: (Accuracy Radius at 10m: 20 cm) x (Run Modifier: 1.5) = 30 cm at 10 meters. Percentage difference: |33.66−30|[(33.66+30)2]×100=|33.66−30|[(33.66+30)2]×100 =|3.66|[63.662]×100=|3.66|[63.662]×100 =3.6631.83×100=3.6631.83×100 =0.114986×100=0.114986×100 =11.4986% difference So congratu-fucking-lations, you're making a 10% difference seem like 70% just to try and persuade LO into a nerf. Perhaps.... GET IN YOUR OPTIMUM RANGE. It is baffling to even think that in APB out of all games, it is somehow difficult to close the gap with all the car-gameplay/wall_hugging that clearly dominates the game. ----------------------- Yeah, yeah, let us add another weapon to the pool of 'too far to compete'. You yourself said that you wanted to see other secondaries BE USED MORE. You're contradicting yourself. You don't even know what you want nor the implications. You're just moving back and forth on a reactive nerf agenda just because better players screwed you over with Colby .45. Don't kid yourself, the same players would've killed you with weapons that can literally neutralize faster than Colby .45. Either way, you will achieve nothing from this.

OCA (0.7 s ttk) and JG (0.67 s ttk) "easily" lose to a 0.8+s ttk weapon in close range..............? Thanks for sharing but the only correct thing you have mentioned is that Colby .45 has a 0.8 ttk.

Sadly, one cannot post video proof in here, but an entire group took the concept of "Cheat Points" quite passionately, LOL!

Agreed People seem to always forget that with how slow Little Orbit is, every seemingly 'small request' is a major time loss towards actually making the game better (if that's ever on the priority list to-do list).

Also sweetLemonade: "Q4: Are there any plans for balancing the faster TTK weapons to a higher value, making them longer TTK? I'm talking about lengthening the TTK of problematic guns (NTEC & faster) to around Snubnose TTK (0,9 – 1s). Having a longer TTK & higher base accuracy in marksman mode would greatly enhance new-player experience and reward players for refining their aim." Again, we're discussing TTK here,. I have also made it quite clear that N-TEC usually doesn't perform at its advertised TTK of 0.7s when accuracy is factored in.. Again, Newbies are by default at a disadvantage due to lack of experience with APB. You can circle jerk around all you want when it comes to their prior experience with shooter games. As if they would magically nullify a decade+ old Veteran's abilities with a mouse in APB..... Or you can just quit the BS. Again, we've seen what happens when APB gets longer TTK. You can go enjoy that in Quake, it doesn't fit in this game,

Your original point is a lie because: 1- This is about TTK. Accuracy is usually more often than not considered already when it comes to TTK (unless a player full Auto's N-TEC, meaning true TTK can indeed be slower than advertised, not faster. Ironic because your post directly mentions N-TEC). 2- Even if accuracy is considered, you have elaborated exactly why a Veteran has the advantage here as well even if a newbie comes from a shooter-background. PLUS Veterans actually having access to accuracy mods while Newbies have to get them first. Nice try but it is time to take a step back and rethink a bit.

So your claim "Having a longer TTK & higher base accuracy in marksman mode would greatly enhance new-player experience" is simply a big fat lie.

This is incorrect. 1- Newbies will not maintain aim on opponents like seasoned veterans/aim_labbers would. Longer TTKs will pretty much guarantee a newbie always losing a gunfight vs a Veteran. 2- This will further skew balance towards ganging up on people MMO-style. Veterans usually play in squads while Newbies are often going in singular commandos. This will further solidify the destruction of Newbies. -------------------- And APB doesn't have anything to speed up killing like headshots. The only way is to cook a grenade for pre-damage which again, Veterans are far more skilled than Newbies in that department. APB experimented with longer TTK before. It is truly NOT in a position to attempt that again.

Yay, no US-East. It would be nice to actually have World Consolidation ship out next rather than another, subpar useless 'priority' that nobody cares about.

Exactly this. I am afraid APB is now being used by the Devs to jump on the latest trends rather than making the best of what APB can be first (if at all).