neophobia 216 Posted March 4, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 10:24 AM, TheSxW said: @Eixo propably IP adress in 2 jumps (so we grab 3 ip adresses) + hwid of hardware CPU/GPU/DRIVES/MAC Adress/CD ROM (i will do that if i will made an game with anticheat)@MattScott can't delete those annoying @ mentions on mobile anyway this is probably the worst advice ever. using ip hops for bans is the equivalent of banning someone based on their isp. you'd end up banning whole neighborhoods - that might work in a small town but imagine doing that to a big city, lol hwid is probably the weakest ban system ever - it's better than none but even if you don't spoof it just for the client, spoofing it for the whole system is one of the easiest tasks for cheat providers/coders in general - i guess it would help against those with AHK crutches - but even then, they are not the biggest issue Removed quoted content. ~@mayii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSxW 48 Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) On 3/4/2019 at 9:10 AM, neophobia said: can't delete those annoying @ mentions on mobile anyway this is probably the worst advice ever. using ip hops for bans is the equivalent of banning someone based on their isp. you'd end up banning whole neighborhoods - that might work in a small town but imagine doing that to a big city, lol hwid is probably the weakest ban system ever - it's better than none but even if you don't spoof it just for the client, spoofing it for the whole system is one of the easiest tasks for cheat providers/coders in general - i guess it would help against those with AHK crutches - but even then, they are not the biggest issue rekt cheap way to discredit someone though :^) i dont tell to ban ISP ... but to check the ip patterns with comparing it to haches of hardware if anything is fits then this player propably gets banned b4 take a better look at this guy and eventually ban him twice if hes cheating@CookiePuss `no applied` i dont need to dethreat cuz i done 5000+ arrests without getting gold i post this glitch directly to Matt Scott on discord so he push it to tech guys to fix it in next patches or 3.5 version only a few persons knows that method like 5-8 people per whole game Edited March 4, 2019 by TheSxW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvick 248 Posted March 6, 2019 On 3/4/2019 at 9:10 AM, neophobia said: can't delete those annoying @ mentions on mobile anyway this is probably the worst advice ever. using ip hops for bans is the equivalent of banning someone based on their isp. you'd end up banning whole neighborhoods - that might work in a small town but imagine doing that to a big city, lol hwid is probably the weakest ban system ever - it's better than none but even if you don't spoof it just for the client, spoofing it for the whole system is one of the easiest tasks for cheat providers/coders in general - i guess it would help against those with AHK crutches - but even then, they are not the biggest issue How many millions, if not billions of players are in the world and what are the chances that in a game with ~600 players two of them will be neighbors? Yeah well, probably someone who actually brought a neighbor friend to play the game, but I'm quite sure cheaters cheat because they don't have friends, and if they do then there are way higher chances that they both cheat if they are neighbor friends than chances of "accidentally" banning a neighbor of a cheater... lol In a small community of a game I used to play years ago where we had some issues with a couple of cheaters easily ban-evading when there was even hwid and mac bans on place, the only way and the only time we finally managed to stop a known cheater from keep re-rolling and ruining the game was with an IP range ban. There was someone who then tried to reach the community admins because of this, they almost lift that IP range ban because of him but finally figured, thanks to collected data, that both guys knew each other because they shared login credentials/PC so there were logs from both guys on a same IP and MAC address. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ch1ck 45 Posted March 21, 2019 On 3/6/2019 at 6:04 AM, Salvick said: How many millions, if not billions of players are in the world and what are the chances that in a game with ~600 players two of them will be neighbors? Yeah well, probably someone who actually brought a neighbor friend to play the game, but I'm quite sure cheaters cheat because they don't have friends, and if they do then there are way higher chances that they both cheat if they are neighbor friends than chances of "accidentally" banning a neighbor of a cheater... lol In a small community of a game I used to play years ago where we had some issues with a couple of cheaters easily ban-evading when there was even hwid and mac bans on place, the only way and the only time we finally managed to stop a known cheater from keep re-rolling and ruining the game was with an IP range ban. There was someone who then tried to reach the community admins because of this, they almost lift that IP range ban because of him but finally figured, thanks to collected data, that both guys knew each other because they shared login credentials/PC so there were logs from both guys on a same IP and MAC address. There is a packet named HARDWARE_INFO that gets sent during the login into the APB. That packet contains data about every hardware in your PC that the game can retrieve. It depends how they use this data, though from what I've seen there was never a HWID or a similar "tougher" ban issued here. It's also easy to spoof if you know what you're doing, but since the actual playerbase is little I doubt someone would care to make a spoofer. Bottom line, they just need to use the data that they already have had for long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McRabbiton 22 Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 11:46 AM, Ch1ck said: There is a packet named HARDWARE_INFO that gets sent during the login into the APB. That packet contains data about every hardware in your PC that the game can retrieve. It depends how they use this data, though from what I've seen there was never a HWID or a similar "tougher" ban issued here. It's also easy to spoof if you know what you're doing, but since the actual playerbase is little I doubt someone would care to make a spoofer. Bottom line, they just need to use the data that they already have had for long time. Well just look at Apex. They introduced hardware bans and banned hundred thousands of cheaters. But they are all complaining now. Depending on the playerbase apb can just go with an auto ban to who cheats right at the moment. Ip and hardware... sadly not the best option Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5382 Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 5:02 AM, GermanTobi said: Well just look at Apex. They introduced hardware bans and banned hundred thousands of cheaters. But they are all complaining now. Depending on the playerbase apb can just go with an auto ban to who cheats right at the moment. Ip and hardware... sadly not the best option Cheers I'm sorry, what was your point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McRabbiton 22 Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 4:30 PM, CookiePuss said: I'm sorry, what was your point? Ip bans and hardware id bans would result in a more and more shrinking playerbase. So normal bans would be "preferable" probably Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5382 Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 11:54 PM, GermanTobi said: Ip bans and hardware id bans would result in a more and more shrinking playerbase. So normal bans would be "preferable" probably Oof, I was afraid he meant that. Christ have things gotten so bad that we are afraid of losing cheaters as players? Dark days indeed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AutumnSan 12 Posted July 7, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 11:54 PM, McRabbiton said: Ip bans and hardware id bans would result in a more and more shrinking playerbase. So normal bans would be "preferable" probably There can be an option for players whom were IP/HWID banned to have another chance as a normal player. So those that genuinely like the game and are willing to invest will stay. Players who play with cheats and cheats only wouldn't really care what game they cheat and play at, they won't stay very long anyway. But then again we will never know until we actually try. Maybe if APB treated cheats in a harsher way it would draw more players, who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yood 345 Posted July 7, 2019 On 7/7/2019 at 3:58 AM, Faceless said: There can be an option for players whom were IP/HWID banned to have another chance as a normal player. So those that genuinely like the game and are willing to invest will stay. Players who play with cheats and cheats only wouldn't really care what game they cheat and play at, they won't stay very long anyway. But then again we will never know until we actually try. Maybe if APB treated cheats in a harsher way it would draw more players, who knows. работа уже во вторым античитом показывают серьезные намерения команды LO . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FakeBungo 248 Posted July 7, 2019 "i view banning as a failure" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dofus 19 Posted July 8, 2019 2 speed hacker right now on Jericho Fight Club, are you sleeping Matt ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darkzero3802 614 Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) Botters in FC currently as well. EAC is working exactly the same as be was. Edited July 8, 2019 by Darkzero3802 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kakalaki 65 Posted July 10, 2019 so funny. this topic has been opened last year december and i still see the same ppl playing with cheats .. speedhacking, using modded gamefiles, aimbots while stream and nothing happends to them ... nice job LO ... not much longer and i will go to leave that game or also start to cheat! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExpectoPatronum 22 Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 1:04 PM, Legenderi said: so funny. this topic has been opened last year december and i still see the same ppl playing with cheats .. speedhacking, using modded gamefiles, aimbots while stream and nothing happends to them ... nice job LO ... not much longer and i will go to leave that game or also start to cheat! Yeah I just remembered this topic after posting in general.... funny that you posted my exact thoughts 4 hours ago. Almost eerie. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darkzero3802 614 Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 1:04 PM, Legenderi said: so funny. this topic has been opened last year december and i still see the same ppl playing with cheats .. speedhacking, using modded gamefiles, aimbots while stream and nothing happends to them ... nice job LO ... not much longer and i will go to leave that game or also start to cheat! Pretty much sums it all up. Wether with BE or EAC the same ppl are still bypassing the rules and nobody at LO is putting any pressure on them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5382 Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 12:42 AM, Darkzero3802 said: Pretty much sums it all up. Wether with BE or EAC the same ppl are still bypassing the rules and nobody at LO is putting any pressure on them. Just be glad none play on our server. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonSnowKing 7 Posted July 13, 2019 Where do you find cheaters? I play silver and I don’t see cheaters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kakalaki 65 Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 8:18 AM, JonSnowKing said: Where do you find cheaters? I play silver and I don’t see cheaters you must be blind or playing another game tho 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FakeBungo 248 Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 8:18 AM, JonSnowKing said: Where do you find cheaters? I play silver and I don’t see cheaters go to twitch.tv and the apb reloaded section, there is a cheater streaming alot of the time. even 3 cheaters can be streaming at once, and they are never banned. we have LO to thank for this LOL. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5382 Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 1:42 PM, largeAPBgamer said: go to twitch.tv and the apb reloaded section, there is a cheater streaming alot of the time. even 3 cheaters can be streaming at once, and they are never banned. we have LO to thank for this LOL. That's some tin foil hat stuff right there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hexerin 1142 Posted July 14, 2019 It boggles the mind that people still suggest IP, MAC, and/or HWID bans. All of these things are incredibly easy and simple to spoof, IP especially so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miketam 30 Posted July 14, 2019 On 12/18/2018 at 7:28 AM, MattScott said: Overall, I consider cheating to be one of the most difficult parts of running APB. I honestly wish we didn't have this problem, because it damages the enjoyment of the game. Poor deluded guy..seeing cheaters everywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seedy 324 Posted July 14, 2019 where are all the cheaters? I dont see them and im playing almost every day. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SK4LP 62 Posted July 15, 2019 u should go on different discord, they don t hide, and show their hack and menu, most of dem "soft hack" in a way u can doubt, ( my opinion,,, i think it was harder to "hack" with BE (larger cheater database)) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites