Zealocke 53 Posted June 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Excalibur! said: You are more able for cqc than most asault rifles with their long range atribute. I already explained this... there are plenty of range variants for each roll (i mean more effective at diferent ranges). Assault rifles (closer to longest range): aces; atac; star; ntec; ursus. I do not name the cobra because the only time i used it it was trash, even it looks like trash. yeah, but we only talk about the Star because apart from the n-tec is the only ar you can get without paying real money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Excalibur! 207 Posted June 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zealocke said: yeah, but we only talk about the Star because apart from the n-tec is the only ar you can get without paying real money. And joker tickets? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zealocke 53 Posted June 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Excalibur! said: And joker tickets? You got a point. Still if i did something for all ars it would have been worse. Just look at the backlash of this thread. And for a gun everyone ditches sooner or later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Excalibur! 207 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Zealocke said: You got a point. Still if i did something for all ars it would have been worse. Just look at the backlash of this thread. And for a gun everyone ditches sooner or later. If you still insist into buffing the star i would say increase marksman movement speed, decrease* equip time and reload time. Those are the things i would buff on star -and i think it really needs it to be more competitive-. EDit: missed decrease... Edited June 12, 2018 by Excalibur! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch4ncer 87 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) Nothing to balance. Get better at playing. Votes clearly show whats right. Edited June 12, 2018 by ch4ncer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Cashpoint 269 Posted June 12, 2018 I'd say there were other Assault Rifles in far greater need of a rework. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SLICKIEM 118 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Lord Cashpoint said: I'd say there were other Assault Rifles in far greater need of a rework. Like the COBR-A, as mentioned before, being a complete delete-button worthy gun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clarie 78 Posted June 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Zealocke said: How? Here are some ideas for me. - Change the ttk to 0.70 sec by giving 7% more base firerate. - Change the bloom recovery so it recovers the same way and same speed as the N-TEC, but with less per shot modifier, so it can burst at mid ranges properly and mantain cqc capabilities. - Reduce the bloom modifier for shooting on the move so you can reflex it properly and meaningfully if you want to. I really like your idea to buff the STAR to make it more comparable with the N-TEC. But the main problem is, that the N-TEC is clearly superior compared with any other assault rilfes. So don't you think its more reilable to nerf the N-TEC and put it on the same level as the other assault rifles ? Your idea might solve the "star ntec- problem", but on the other hand you'll keep the problem, that the other assault rilfes are still inferior. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhosT 1301 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) Not only the STAR, but also the FAR, COBR-A, S1-FA, ACES Rifle, AR-97 and the ISSR-a, because the N-TEC is just better than all of these in every way. I don't think we should make all AR's as versatile as the N-TEC. What's the use of DMRs and SMGs then? Edited June 12, 2018 by GhosT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeTurboAgresor 268 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) Star 556 is meant to be good in every situation while not superior in any one of them. Star is great in medium range, where you can basically fullauto with decent accuracy, therefore kill very fast. I would say this is its power. Same pays for FAR spearhead. As I say, noob that fullauto yoling with STAR is often more dangerous than experienced player. I like Start 556 for what it is and it should stay like that. I agree that there are other AR that needs to be reworked.. COBR-A, ISSR Artemis, Misery, S1-FA FAR = Star, but it does the job better. No need to touch. ACES Rifle = is good while hipfire and even while aiming. With its TTK of 0.72s its does not need to touched. Actualy I like this weapon a lot. Edited June 12, 2018 by AxeTurboAgresor 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stateofthegame 23 Posted June 12, 2018 I don't think the STAR should be changed. It is mediocre at everything it does and that is exactly how a starter weapon should work. A starter weapon should not have any strengths and the changes you've suggested would make the game harder to get into than it already is - the STAR is a 'decent-at-everything-but-not-great' weapon and that is exactly how it should stay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5378 Posted June 12, 2018 6 hours ago, :^) said: Star is fine ^this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haganu 104 Posted June 12, 2018 The NTEC is far more reliable in a vast majority of the situations as an AR than the STAR. It has always felt that way and always worked that way. The strangest thing is that everyone's defending the STAR, while all these people would instantly switch over to NTEC the moment they could. And that's not because the NTEC requires more skill. An assault rifle that's more versatile requires less skill, because it's more capable over more situations. And no, before anyone comes up with any nonsense, the NTEC isn't a jack-of-all trades. That's what the COBRA used to be before they changed that gun up entirely. The only thing that makes an NTEC require just a slight amount of skill is Cooling Jacket, yet when you put that on a STAR the gun loses what comparatively little reliability it has left. The NTEC, especially pre-curve mechanic was superior in every way. Even the go-to mod setups for the gun had more variety than the STAR had. A lot of people that can play NTEC can play STAR, that's something that can't be denied. But since the vast majority still rather plays NTEC means that the NTEC has an extra edge the STAR doesn't have, making the NTEC more useful than the STAR, thus overshadowing it. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snjezana 22 Posted June 12, 2018 3 hours ago, AxeTurboAgresor said: Star 556 is meant to be good in every situation while not superior in any one of them. Star is great in medium range, where you can basically fullauto with decent accuracy, therefore kill very fast. I would say this is its power. Same pays for FAR spearhead. As I say, noob that fullauto yoling with STAR is often more dangerous than experienced player. I like Start 556 for what it is and it should stay like that. I agree that there are other AR that needs to be reworked.. COBR-A, ISSR Artemis, Misery, S1-FA FAR = Star, but it does the job better. No need to touch. ACES Rifle = is good while hipfire and even while aiming. With its TTK of 0.72s its does not need to touched. Actualy I like this weapon a lot. I bought the FAR when I started APB and it turned out to be wasted money. There is, as stated in this thread, no reason to play it, when you can have a NTEC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Excalibur! 207 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Haganu said: The NTEC is far more reliable in a vast majority of the situations as an AR than the STAR. It has always felt that way and always worked that way. The strangest thing is that everyone's defending the STAR, while all these people would instantly switch over to NTEC the moment they could. And that's not because the NTEC requires more skill. An assault rifle that's more versatile requires less skill, because it's more capable over more situations. And no, before anyone comes up with any nonsense, the NTEC isn't a jack-of-all trades. That's what the COBRA used to be before they changed that gun up entirely. The only thing that makes an NTEC require just a slight amount of skill is Cooling Jacket, yet when you put that on a STAR the gun loses what comparatively little reliability it has left. The NTEC, especially pre-curve mechanic was superior in every way. Even the go-to mod setups for the gun had more variety than the STAR had. A lot of people that can play NTEC can play STAR, that's something that can't be denied. But since the vast majority still rather plays NTEC means that the NTEC has an extra edge the STAR doesn't have, making the NTEC more useful than the STAR, thus overshadowing it. I honestly likes how ntec fires, but star def feels easier. I would pick ntec over star because the longer reach, as i would pick ursus over ntec... People who mains ntec, destroys with star for a reason... EDIT: star hipfire amazingly, you wont believe how much it helps for cqc battles. Star completly rekt ntec hipfiring. EDIT2: i am just using it in asylum and is so good that i even rekt cqc weapons... i cant honestly believe people complain about this gun. Just now, and i died once because i was typing. This gun is smart and trying to buff star is a meme as nerf ntec... im done. I even got a rage whisper, i never get those lmao Edited June 12, 2018 by Excalibur! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kerelith 2 Posted June 12, 2018 The Star is fine as it is, against N-Tec users it fairs decently unless I let them sit at a longer ranges. Which is my fault rather than the Star needing a buff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lato 188 Posted June 12, 2018 I'd rather not have another laser weapon, ty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iAdoreHer 7 Posted June 12, 2018 *glances at title* *scrolls down and sees charts but keeps scrolling to the submit reply box* There's no need to fix what is not broken. Let Little Orbit focus on more important priorities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Songbearer 72 Posted June 12, 2018 Make everyone go back to the LCR. In fact, replace all weapons with the LCR. Boom! Balanced gameplay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SelttikS 224 Posted June 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Songbearer said: Make everyone go back to the LCR. In fact, replace all weapons with the LCR. Boom! Balanced gameplay. Best solution found. Please close this thread now that we have a solution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5378 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Songbearer said: Make everyone go back to the LCR. In fact, replace all weapons with the LCR. Boom! Balanced gameplay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zealocke 53 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Excalibur! said: I honestly likes how ntec fires, but star def feels easier. I would pick ntec over star because the longer reach, as i would pick ursus over ntec... People who mains ntec, destroys with star for a reason... EDIT: star hipfire amazingly, you wont believe how much it helps for cqc battles. Star completly rekt ntec hipfiring. EDIT2: i am just using it in asylum and is so good that i even rekt cqc weapons... i cant honestly believe people complain about this gun. Just now, and i died once because i was typing. This gun is smart and trying to buff star is a meme as nerf ntec... im done. I even got a rage whisper, i never get those lmao Easier yes, yet still people doesnt use it. Still maybe with this post people will begin to use it more. That still doesnt change the fact that it gets destroyed by almost any modding Still is a nice example and i thank you for showing it Edited June 12, 2018 by Zealocke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch4ncer 87 Posted June 12, 2018 brb making more forum accounts to vote for the 3rd option (( again )) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zealocke 53 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ch4ncer said: brb making more forum accounts to vote for the 3rd option (( again )) Do i have to bring the troll spray again? Edited June 12, 2018 by Zealocke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5378 Posted June 12, 2018 This poll brought me hope that our community actually can be reasonable. GG guys, GG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
