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wtf this thread is still alive????????

new mitigation working great now all you have to do is get the servers to stop crashing xDDDDDDDD

if i don't agree with you on the process im not going to just blindly throw my vote in for it honestly don't use those much, i find them kind of useless especially for any post with more than 2 opinions also just saying "nah" isnt very constructive yeah there's nothing stopping little orbit from starting or stopping such a program at any time, but i think the damage will be done no matter how on top of the situation they are - there are still people who think sov is a protected cheat clan even tho apb doesnt even have the same owners anymore for a concrete example when lixil streamed playing with an alleged cheater from the g1 era, the forums legitimately exploded - there were so many people spamming variations of "orbit prioritizing cheaters" that the site bugged out

im not opposing the solutions im opposing you the manual bans thing kind of ties in to how it goes sour - examples being revoemag's "i decide who cheats", or sovereign's "pocket GM" byrt/jobs or since orbit uses player GMs the examples would be the old SPCC member that claimed triggerbots weren't cheating, or the forum mod that was a blatant cheater ingame im not saying i don't want it, but its silly to pretend there isnt a risk associated on this we seem to agree

lets be honest - its both but i guess he's saying that he doesnt want to use an amateur website? seeing as how the apbdb is not official (altho it does use official data sent by orbit afaik) he might also be saying that all this info needs to be ingame, which i actually do agree with

ive barely praised them at all, what are you on about where have i said things are okay? didnt i list out like half a dozen problems i have with orbit earlier? i dont want to straight up deny this because its likely true, but there are several ways increased GM presence could go sour where do you see a minimum? we sure aren't hitting months of silence like with g1 what would my hard stance be? not playing? not paying? i think thats redundant and im not waffling or ambivalent at all, i just don't condemn the entire company because they arent handling a single issue the way i want

at this point its whatever however maybe in the future after most of the major issues this game suffers from are fixed the carsurfer mod could be reworked to allow for more "realistic" implementations, through animations, mechanics, and other stuff

sort of but with worse accuracy, less damage, more shots to kill, less range, and less hard damage basically it’s still duki, just slightly less than the other guns in the pack

little orbit sends a big thanks to your wallet

i’m not sure this relates to what you quoted unless you’re addressing things out of order, this portion was about your strange stance of where somehow there is no middle ground - a way to be critical of some aspects and not others if you truly believe a company is completely incapable why would you want to wait around, the most likely outcome is remaining incapable no dumbo, that means we’ve both spent money on apb - if anything i’ve spent more than you why am i not allowed to commit to both? the problem with your black and white viewpoint is that it would have me continue to tear down little orbit over increasingly small issues even if/when they begin turning things around, or continue to blindly praise them even as the population dwindles and the servers go dark meanwhile in a reality where the community is “allowed” to criticize and praise and equal measure, wouldn’t accurate feedback help orbit understand successes and apply that knowledge to failures?

but you’ve said that i either have to fully support a company or believe them completely incapable, surely you aren’t saying that no two people have opposing preferences which are impossible to both satisfy? its entirely reasonable to be critical of certain aspects of little orbit without casting the entire company into the void i’ve no idea, as what i regard as good is subjective the parentheses were just vague examples, not specifically apb related sorry bud, being a paying customer doesn’t differentiate us good thing i’ve never said otherwise, in fact i believe i explicitly stated that GMs being unable to ban is not my stance

all sales are final

guys seriously

thanks for playing yeah here in the real world we use accepted definitions of words, especially when vaunting our pseudo-intellectual expertise being critical requires objectivity, while a black and white viewpoint may help (do i like this product or not) it may also hinder (i don’t like all of this product but it’s the best option) i guess i’ll just repeat myself here because if everyone boycotted companies as soon as they found the slightest flaw we’d still be pre-industrial revolution - everyone has different preferences and there’s no way for a single product or company to be “perfect” for hundreds/thousands/millions of different people

mediocre at best, the only one approaching viable is whichever one gains accuracy as you fire - effectively negating bloom the guns are hard limited by a slow ttk and poor initial accuracy, which is not made up for by adding more bullets to the magazine

mad cuz bad

man you just love to shift the goalposts whether i’m aware of the benefit or not is not the point, it’s whether you’ve said it or not please don’t make up definitions on your own, i promise you aren’t smarter than the people who write dictionaries hate speech requires prejudice, such as against race or religion for example - all hate speech is a slur, but not every slur is hate speech what an absurd black and white viewpoint since you like “insinuations” so much only a bumbling moron would think that you have to agree with every aspect of a company, otherwise they are incapable of operating their business

vetoed

yeah sorry my dude, i should have known that direct quotes of you saying “you’re benefiting cheaters” actually meant something else i’m ”trying so hard” because you keep bringing it up yeah typically if i don’t have anything to say about something i won’t quote it, that seems like common sense if you're going to try word games at least understand the vocabulary you’re attempting to use - i even defined it for you already off the top of my head? -incapable of meeting a deadline -riot -delays -slow feedback acknowledgement -unofficial official discord -nearly invisible CM -delays -player GMs -what appears to be poor server management -delays -poor grasp of weapon balance -lack of smaller (assumedly) not-engine-upgrade-dependent fixes -have i mentioned delays? -joker store issues -armas issues -delays again i have a lot more super petty gripes but formatting on mobile is awful

no idea edit: i think the general statement was something about integrating stats properly into the ingame UI

bruh its literally the only thing on the page you linked although i guess it should say "has moved"

nice dodge of your conspiracy theory ive been very vocal about mistakes i feel little orbit is making this thing you do where you jump straight to extremes is really weird tbh another dodge, and downplaying your involvement they definitely were slurs - an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them didnt even wait a sentence before trying it again bonus points for the passive aggressive tone "hey little orbit isnt ignoring cheaters" is not supporting cheaters "hey maybe try not being a banana" is not supporting cheaters "hey you're wrong about such and such" is not supporting cheaters also i guess you're right you didnt imply it, you just outright stated it wait here's an implication

a company intentionally implementing not one but two faulty anticheats to purposefully fool their playerbase is a conspiracy theory level reach, im not touching that all permanent bans are manual (although based on anticheat flags) as of the last info the community was given this was actually a typo on my part, it was meant to say "within the community" and not allowing GMs to manually ban ingame isnt my side, but given that both you and i know they don't is there a need for posts? well your first 3 posts in this thread were an immediate attack on another user then you tried a "nice english" routine (btw there were no spelling errors in that post aside from a self-censor) honestly not going to bother going past the first page, but im pretty sure there were some insults thrown around during the whole "spct has standards" drivel i dont really have any feelings towards you tbh, you've been pretty mellow when talking to me aside from a strange obsession with implying i support cheaters yes your original post described itself as "harsh" and i understand the attempt to showcase your displeasure, but resorting to falsehoods (good word btw) when there's ample evidence to the contrary isnt the right way to do it imo

the implementation of 2 separate anticheats contradicts this statement orbits active discussion with the forum community about the cheater issue also contradicts this statement implementing automatic programs is not the least action possible - and it directly contradicts “little orbit is ignoring the cheater issue” the pros and cons of more active GMs have been discussed with the community - again directly contradicting “little orbit is ignoring the cheater issue” - and little orbit has appeared to side with the portion of the community that feels there are more cons since little orbit is not ignoring cheaters, as supported by your very own words above, pointing this fact out is not enabling cheaters we’ve received pretty comprehensive info on server merges, server infrastructure changes, DDOS mitigation systems, plans for altering game mechanics in the future, and probably more that i’m forgetting atm you initial post was chock full of inflammatory language you also jumped straight to personal insults when confronted with responses you didn’t like

here’s hoping it’s not that terminal we can’t afford to lose many more players :^)