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brief summary of my issues with this phase of the armas revamp

 

pricing is all over the place - weapons seem to be very well normalized now, at the cost of everything else.

  • there's a lot of very oddly numbered prices (5034, 2546, 635, etc)
  • bundles seem to have almost uniformly increased in price (i know i know you did warn us) despite no attempt to implement account bound options
  • with less savings upon purchase, bundles seem to have less value overall - in extreme examples bundle prices are equal or exceed the cost of the items purchased separately 
  • theres a distinct lack of the more standardized pricing model that was talked up in the last blog post - from bundles to vehicles to kits to clothing, nearly everything seems to have almost completely random prices attached to them
  • cross faction packs are priced differently for each faction
  • equivalent faction-based vehicles and vehicle kits are priced differently

 

the new dropdown menus are nice, but the options to view account-bound/character-bound weapons have been removed

 

i'll probably post some specific issues in here as i take a closer look

 

edit: apologies in advance if any of my math is wrong, please be patient i have terminal stupidity 

 

 

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Also, 2399 g1c for an account bound weapon is roughly 25-30$ depending where you live ..... I really don't see what has been lowered? and lowered by an average of 30%? what .. O.o
And it's not by lowering g1c price, as I see it remains the same 6.25/5$ for 500/400 g1c ...

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                         One question; why

 That's more than a 2x increase in price, just for some dumb kits

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Edit: Would be unfair to leave this how it is and not update to show that LO rather quickly remedied this:
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*applause*

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agree, while some packs i really appreciate the price dropped so much, such as "Dress to kill" however theres still many ridiculous prices all over the place, doesnt make sense.

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cyberpunk clothing pack + 4slot growl w/ 'mamba' kit - 3103/2483

cyberpunk uber bundle (includes cyberpunk clothing, 4slot growl, and 'mamba' vehicle kit) - 3183/2546

  • the uber bundle is 80 G1C/63 G1C more 
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The weapon prices are reasonable. Especially in the Secondaries. 15$ for an Account Wide sidearm? That's a steal! But for everything else.....eh the prices are upside down.

 

I waited patiently in the hope that I can get the Collector's Car pack that included the Kurai, Moirai and Gumshoe and I felt the old price was kinda steep.......now its above 40$....

 

I only have one reply to that:

 

You will not have my money.

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dress to kill clothing pack (including 30 day weapon lease) + patriot jericho w/ 'phantom' kit + permanent character-bound weapon - 5083/4066

dress to kill enforcer/criminal bundle - 5034/4027

  • the bundle is 46 g1c/39 g1c less

 

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high roller clothing pack (includes 30 day weapon lease) + bishada rapier w/ 'spectre' kit + permanent character-bound weapon - 5036/4028

high roller enforcer/criminal bundle - 2241/1793

  • the bundle is 2,795 g1c/2,235 g1c less

 

why are these bundles, despite each having roughly equivalent content, such wildly different prices?

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17 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

~Snip~

Paying for the exclusivity of the silenced CBMP Ofcourse, only way to get it 1.0

 

 

Seriously though, bringing both these packs to around 3500~ G1C would fix that. Right?

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this one's a doozy, focused on the 'kits' section

 

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vegas 'mercury' kit + vegas 'rugido' kit + vegas 'hot rod' kit + vegas wheel kit - 2770/2216

vegas mega pack - 2772/2218

  • the mega pack is 2 g1c more

not exactly a hot deal

and why is the 'hot rod' kit priced higher than the 'rugido' and 'mercury' kits?

 

 

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perfoormance kit 1 + performance kit 2 - 3800/3040

performance kit mega pack - 3800/3040

  • the mega pack is 0 g1c less

why even bother having 3 separate listings at this price point?

none of the preview pictures show the bishada rapier, with or without kits

 

 

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carrying kit 1 + carrying kit 2 + pioneer/espacio wheels & audio kit - 3167/2534

pioneer mega pack - 3168/2534

espacio mega pack - 3082/2466

  • the pioneer mega pack is 1 g1c/0 g1c more
  • the espacio mega pack is 85 g1c/68 g1c less

discounts for one mega pack but not the other due to mega pack price differences, both carrying kits are also priced differently

the carrying kit listing pictures (located on the 'kits' section of armas) only show the pioneer

 

 

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compact kit 1 + compact kit 2 + mikro/vaquero wheels & audio kit - 2454/1964

mikro compact kit pack - 1742/1394

vaquero compact kit pack - 2455/1964

  • the mikro compact kit is 712 g1c/570 g1c less
  • the vaquero compact kit is 1 g1c/0 g1c more

 again, discounts for one pack and not the other due to compact kit pack price difference

 

 

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i'm not listing each one of these lightbars out - 891/771

light em up mega pack - 3088/2470

  • the light em up mega pack is 2,197 g1c/1,699 g1c more

price difference is assuming the mega pack is comprised only of the individually listed lightbars in the 'kit' section, as the description isnt exactly specific

the description still lists the old prices and the old discount, cmon guys

some of the individual lightbars (ARS lightstrip, boomer swingback bars, POLICE lightbar) do not have a premium discount applied to them

 

 

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30 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

and why is the 'hot rod' kit priced higher than the 'rugido' and 'mercury' kits?

It's probably just because of the blower sticking out of the hood.

 

gotta have that go fast supercharger

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Been wanting the bundle with the Vegas 4x4...

 

How hard can this be? are we perhaps over thinking it?

 

make a spreadsheet, throw a formula in and drop everything by 30%

 

 

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I'm very glad someone addressed this, I was looking at the prices confused as hell- more so like what's going on here?🤔

Does this even make sense to anyone?🤔 Is there a method to this madness?🤔

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cross faction packs

 

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enforcer/criminal armored bonus pack - 1751/1401

enforcer/criminal impact bonus pack - 1836/1469

  • price difference of 85 g1c/68 g1c

 

 

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enforcer/criminal tactical gear bonus pack - 1395/1116

enforcer/criminal paramilitary bonus pack - 1751/1401

  • price difference of 356 g1c/285 g1c

 

 

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enforcer/criminal rapid reaction gear - 597/478

enforcer/criminal s1 racing gear - 477/382

  • price difference of 120 g1c/96 g1c

 

 

i really dont get why these packs are different prices, especially because the full packs are all identical in price to their counterparts

 

except this one

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armored urban warfare pack - 3343/2674

impact urban warfare pack - 2895/2316

  • price difference of 448 g1c/358 g1c
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24 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

Damn son ... VSB putting in work!!

 

More work than many have his kin have done in their entire lives.

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What the actual fuck is this update?

 

Please actually fix and standardize ARMAS. IDK, like, spend at least an afternoon making the prices work right instead of setting up an AI to randomly assign prices.

 

 

P.S. Please bring back the Account Lifetime and Character Lifetime weapon pages (as in seeing all guns account or character lifetime.) While you're at it, get rid of the new menu system with the dropdown menu that sucks and go to the old sidebar.

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Mistakes

 

This is the "male" desert scarf

https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/product_details.php?storetype=g1c&gameID=20&catID=65&subcatID=208&productId=2665

 

The Uber bundle Still doesn't have it's wheel kit de-bundled (more of a request)

https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/product_details.php?storetype=g1c&gameID=20&catID=64&subcatID=290&productId=2060

 

More of a artistic choice but , all the skins use "joker cr5" but the chips weapon skin uses the atac (and is out of place)

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https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/index.php?storetype=g1c&gameID=20&catID=103&subcatID=314

In this picture they used the joker cr5 https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/product_details.php?storetype=g1c&gameID=20&catID=103&subcatID=314&productId=3835

 

 

Not a fan of this icon

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https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/product_details.php?storetype=g1c&gameID=20&catID=103&subcatID=204&productId=3803

 

Maybe something more like this would look better 70abea28-efa8-4d11-9736-c9e4b54c652d.jpg

 

 

A gun i've never bought before (is unpurchaseable)

https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/product_details.php?storetype=g1c&gameID=20&catID=63&subcatID=196&productId=2684

cb_icon.png <-- this logo means i can't buy it (because it's allready purchased character bound)

I can only buy account bound even the 30 days option is gone.

 

Several other guns on my account also have this logo and are "only" account bound purchasable It could be because (before the armas revamp) i used the free trial. Which btw should be fixed as the free trial button is completly missing.

 

Some image issues

25927e62-3d40-4097-8a7b-a8236a71529a.jpg Gun touches the mod icons

https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/product_details.php?storetype=g1c&amp;gameID=20&amp;catID=63&amp;subcatID=198&amp;productId=3154

 

2 versions of the ALIG have 2 different icons

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https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/product_details.php?storetype=g1c&amp;gameID=20&amp;catID=63&amp;subcatID=197&amp;productId=1319

 

https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/product_details.php?storetype=g1c&amp;gameID=20&amp;catID=63&amp;subcatID=197&amp;productId=2739

 

supposedly the same model 2 different screenshots

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4b5a49fd-1f4b-4514-9eac-d5c04f82f115.jpg a tad stretched no idea how they can fix that.

 

 

9cebbc08-4a2a-484e-a792-9b1c0c1a4716.jpg Could be on purpose but the Image cuts off the mask underneath.

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Zolerox said:

A gun i've never bought before (is unpurchaseable)

https://www.gamersfirst.com/marketplace/ingame/product_details.php?storetype=g1c&amp;gameID=20&amp;catID=63&amp;subcatID=196&amp;productId=2684

cb_icon.png <-- this logo means i can't buy it (because it's allready purchased character bound)

I can only buy account bound even the 30 days option is gone.

This weapon was previously awarded as a character bound permanent weapon, it was given as a code when you had to do 500 rifleman kills in X days. That's most likely why you can't get it on that character.

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At least it work / load pages much faster now. As for prices - I remember how I wasn't happy with 5-10$ guns in Planetside 2 because apprently you need more than 5 and that makes them cost on par with AAA games...

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6 minutes ago, Kevkof said:

This weapon was previously awarded as a character bound permanent weapon, it was given as a code when you had to do 500 rifleman kills in X days. That's most likely why you can't get it on that character.

But i failed that event....

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no particular order, some price comparisons using purchase history - premium assumed

 

key to the city pack

  • new - 7,999 G1C
  • old - 6,399 G1C

key to the world pack

  • new - 12,799 G1C
  • old - 12,799 G1C

juggernaut strike pack

  • new - 5,599 G1C
  • old - 3,999 G1C

norseman 'hel' (account bound)

  • new - 1,599 G1C
  • old - 3,199 G1C

colby .45 (account bound)

  • new - 1,199 G1C
  • old - 2,000 G1C

performance kit mega pack

  • new - 3,040 G1C
  • old - 1,111 G1C

tactical gear bonus pack

  • new - 1,116 G1C
  • old - 959 G1C

han coywolf bundle 

  • new - 1,953 G1C
  • old - 2,399 G1C

skinny glossy trousers 

  • new - 79 G1C
  • old - 399 G1C

high tech weapon skin

  • new - 799 G1C
  • old - 319 G1C

all stars pack (account bound)

  • new - 475 G1C
  • old - 1,599 G1C
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Hi all,

 

Apologies for the issues in the upgrade.

We are looking at things now.

 

BTW - I want to acknowledge all the work people put into this thread pulling comparisons.

We did actually build a spreadsheet and dump all the new pricing and then apply a discount for bundles.

However, there appears to be a situation with bundles in bundles that caused an issue.

Also many items were manually edited with extra discounts that got missed.

 

Thanks,
Matt

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Just now, MattScott said:

Hi all,

 

Apologies for the issues in the upgrade.

Bundles are a bit screwed up. Many of them are bundles in bundles.

We are looking at things now.

 

Thanks,
Matt

well its good to know things are changing

 

hopefully i wont have to do all these posts over again lol

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