People are selling weapons for Paypal

[LYoNX369 6]

I am not going to mention names, but people are selling weapons for Paypay a.k.a. real world money. Which is in total violation of EULA. 
I only put this out there because I want any money going to Little Orbit so they can get us to Unreal 4 engine and everything else they want to do. 
It takes money. Support San Paro/APB

I do have a chat log file showing the offense though. I will send it, but request that you just reassert EULA 

[Fortune Runner 796]

Just now, LYoNX369 said:

I am not going to mention names, but people are selling weapons for Paypay a.k.a. real world money. Which is in total violation of EULA. 
I only put this out there because I want any money going to Little Orbit so they can get us to Unreal 4 engine and everything else they want to do. 
It takes money. Support San Paro/APB

I do have a chat log file showing the offense though. I will send it, but request that you just reassert EULA 

confirmed a few do sell weapons for paypal

[vsb 6174]

seems pretty open and shut, was there a need for a thread?

[CookiePuss 5382]

Just do what I do and send it to support... then wait several months and... well I dunno Im still waiting for the tickets to be closed.

[KnifuWaifu 499]

4 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

Just do what I do and send it to support... then wait several months and... well I dunno Im still waiting for the tickets to be closed.

best thing in this thread: 

[vsb 6174]

3 minutes ago, KnifuWaifu said:

best thing in this thread: 

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no fun allowed

[KnifuWaifu 499]

33 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

no fun allowed

ok, no fun

[LYoNX369 6]

Obviously there is a need.

[NotZombieBiscuit 3146]

Don't be a tattletale.

[nndrei 129]

Many people are dedicated to stealing accounts and selling them on PayPal. That is much worse and nobody says anything.

[StunStick 140]

Are people here really defending the craphats that are ruining the legendary market, and making it difficult to purchase legendary weapons?

The people doing this are also trying to redefine "Trustworthiness" by saying it's "How much you spent on armas", something that doesn't affect them because they sell their guns for money, meaning they spent OTHER people's money on armas stuff.

They should really start taking action against these people, they are part of the issue that makes this game inaccessible to newer players.

[Player 1]: "Can I buy that legendary weapon?"
[Craphats]: "Paypal?"
[Player 1]: "No. APB$"
[Craphats]: *Says price that is around 20% over market value*

[LYoNX369 6]

1 hour ago, StunStick said:

Are people here really defending the craphats that are ruining the legendary market, and making it difficult to purchase legendary weapons?

The people doing this are also trying to redefine "Trustworthiness" by saying it's "How much you spent on armas", something that doesn't affect them because they sell their guns for money, meaning they spent OTHER people's money on armas stuff.

They should really start taking action against these people, they are part of the issue that makes this game inaccessible to newer players.

[Player 1]: "Can I buy that legendary weapon?"
[Craphats]: "Paypal?"
[Player 1]: "No. APB$"
[Craphats]: *Says price that is around 20% over market value*

 

Thank you for your support, but this has nothing to do with the 20% Tariff on auction.
The tariffs are what make the in APB game economy work and 'not just a free for all where a few level up weapons' then give everyone else the MODs or Cars they unlock through PROGRESSION. 

Anything else and you might as well call the game Socialism, because there will be no incentive to try to progress or be better.

If there is no revenue; there is no progress and upkeep, then there is no game. Sorry gaming isn't a charity thing.
I know @MattScott said he is wants to try and make APB thrive and is going to do what he can to make it so, but this takes money.
Its a free to play game. Not a free weapons for all without work.

Good day cititzens.

@Cookypuss much love crazycat
 

[StunStick 140]

Just now, LYoNX369 said:

Thank you for your support, but this has nothing to do with the 20% Tariff on auction.
The tariffs are what make the in APB game economy work and 'not just a free for all where a few level up weapons' then give everyone else the MODs or Cars they unlock through PROGRESSION. 

Anything else and you might as well call the game Socialism, because there will be no incentive to try to progress or be better.

If there is no revenue; there is no progress and upkeep, then there is no game. Sorry gaming isn't a charity thing.
I know @MattScott said he is wants to try and make APB thrive and is going to do what he can to make it so, but this takes money.
Its a free to play game. Not a free weapons for all without work.

Good day cititzens.

@Cookypuss much love crazycat
 

When did I ever say anything about tarrifs? I agree that they should be there.

[LYoNX369 6]

5 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:

Don't be a tattletale.

Whoever this is you can start by monitoring them.
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[Keshi 436]

People sell legendaries on 3rd party sites... but there are people legit spamming it in chat. "i'll sell you my FFA for $50 paypal" bro Fuq outta here with your bs

[Mitne 724]

I agree with StunStick.

Every single damn thing (cheating, dethreating, "black outside market") is reaction to playerbase toxicity - simple psychology.

If playerbase would be normal I guarantee that cheating would be minor problem, dethreating wouldn't be worth it and black outside market would be in huge minority (it would exist, people always sell in-game items for real money).

Edited September 19, 2018 by Mitne

[Deftonez 125]

people have been doing this for years and now you're just noticing?
 

[MartisLTU 265]

Players still buying stuff with irl money from other ppl. ?


..... in APB ...... 2018 ? .....

 
 

[wibsey 91]

15 hours ago, LYoNX369 said:

Obviously there is a need.

Needed to make a thread so your ticket might be seen in 6 months rather than 12... By then the people you're talking about would have enough money for cyberpunk.

[Defibyoulater 22]

Selling priceless virtual items you paid irl money for? Heresy!

[GhosT 1301]

That's what happens when you add trading systems.

Though, people have been selling weapons for real cash for the past years. It's nothing new.

[PitterPatter 139]

Who cares. I find it greedy and kinda pathetic that most companies have this anti RMT rule. I understand it for games that are infested by botting, but for games like APB who cares? If anything they should let you sell legendarys through the steam market place. WoW is infested by bots and they don't even ban for RMT they just send a generic email about the effects of botting trying to make you feel bad for supporting them. Yes i've bought WoW gold. Gotta get my 350 weapon yo.

[LYoNX369 6]

12 hours ago, Signarly said:

Who cares. I find it greedy and kinda pathetic that most companies have this anti RMT rule. I understand it for games that are infested by botting, but for games like APB who cares? If anything they should let you sell legendarys through the steam market place. WoW is infested by bots and they don't even ban for RMT they just send a generic email about the effects of botting trying to make you feel bad for supporting them. Yes i've bought WoW gold. Gotta get my 350 weapon yo.

I care.

[StunStick 140]

13 hours ago, Signarly said:

Who cares. I find it greedy and kinda pathetic that most companies have this anti RMT rule. I understand it for games that are infested by botting, but for games like APB who cares? If anything they should let you sell legendarys through the steam market place. WoW is infested by bots and they don't even ban for RMT they just send a generic email about the effects of botting trying to make you feel bad for supporting them. Yes i've bought WoW gold. Gotta get my 350 weapon yo.

This rule is in place because RMT is dangerous. LO can't control people's currency, and there are no logs for the purchase. It can also get LO in real legal trouble, because a LITERAL theft can be performed using their service. 
Also, I'd like to point out that this type of trading can also bring legal troubles to both parties involved in the trade as well. If you earn a substantial amount of money trading items for real currency, and don't pay the applicable taxes or tarrifs, this is a major crime as well.
In addition to this, there are also laws that could be broken if your selling legendaries to minors, as some countries restrict the sale of certain things to minors over the internet.

Disregarding the legal issues, this type of trading is also not good for the wellbeing of the game. The two people involved may be happy, but everyone else will not be if they aren't also willing to give people real money, because they won't be able to find a trade/ingame-sale anymore.

So LO isn't the one being greedy or pathetic, YOU are the one being greedy and pathetic.

Let me ask you this:

Someone who is willing to break the law or negatively effect people's experiences for money

Someone who doesn't want to get sued and wants to protect people who use their product

Which one of those sounds more like greed to you?

Edited September 20, 2018 by StunStick
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[Clandestine 390]

I'm failing to comprehend how is LO losing money this way? What's the difference if someone is going to pay 20$ for FFA or will buy it for 5mil APB$?? LO doesn't get any profit either way.
To be honest it would be cool if we could sell legendaries and whatnot on steam market.

Edited September 20, 2018 by Clandestine