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Remember Loot Boxes? Either keep them off this game for good or make this game Adults Only (ESRB Rating)

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Remember a while back when I posted about loot boxes being harmful? They are harmful after all and this time there is lengthy study and evidence that can't be denied. Especially since this report from the UK just came out.

 

 

You already said what you are going to do for this game but I still stand by my opinion. Feel free to disagree but I don't think you can really defend these practices too much, especially with children exposed to this. Have the game without the predatory practices or make this game played by adults only. It is that simple.

 

P.S: Even if you disclosed the odds of loot boxes that doesnt circumvent gambling laws and regulations.

 

P.P.S: Remember this clip? How these predatory monetizations are also detailed well in this video as well. Spilling the open secrets out for everybody to see.

 

P.P.P.S: Follow up to that previous video above me talks about the 'predatory' monetization in video games. Not just in F2P or mobile games anymore. The human side of things and those with addictions that are preyed upon.

 

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Well im an adult and 1week ago i spent 40$ trying to get Ursus, but got instead lot of crap that i either dont need or already have. These practices are indeed dissapointing.

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Just now, Benguin said:

just move to the netherlands problem solved man

Uhu. There is a big problem in the gaming industry that some people don't talk about or pretend it doesn't exist. These practices are a problem. 

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As if studies cant be bias? And as if i gamble solely because of loot boxes?

No I gamble if I want to gamble and on APB its normally worth it regardless of the  outcome.

APB isnt predatory like other games and also is even less so thanks to Little Orbit.

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2 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

As if studies cant be bias? And as if i gamble solely because of loot boxes?

No I gamble if I want to gamble and on APB its normally worth it regardless of the  outcome.

APB isnt predatory like other games and also is even less so thanks to Little Orbit.

Then keep children or adolescents out of gambling/predatory monetization in video games. The very least, don't get them involved. That's a big problem currently in the gaming industry.

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2 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

As if studies cant be bias? And as if i gamble solely because of loot boxes?

No I gamble if I want to gamble and on APB its normally worth it regardless of the  outcome.

APB isnt predatory like other games and also is even less so thanks to Little Orbit.

I can only agree that APB is not as predatory as other games, yet however, at least for me, the outcome from buying the boxes was never worth it... And despite knowing it i keep on spending $$$

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Just now, ScLines said:

Then keep children or adolescents out of gambling/predatory monetization in video games. The very least, don't get them involved. That's a big problem currently in the gaming industry.

They aren't involved until parents give credit cards over......

They arent my kids and their parents need to take responsibility somewhere

And regardless of that APB is not predatory like other games and less so thanks to Little Orbit

1 minute ago, greenfield said:

I can only agree that APB is not as predatory as other games, yet however, at least for me, the outcome from buying the boxes was never worth it... And despite knowing it i keep on spending $$$

exactly why I said normally. sometimes it  just isn't.

just trying to clarify for you that im not claiming its always worth it.

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6 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

They aren't involved until parents give credit cards over......

They arent my kids and their parents need to take responsibility somewhere

And regardless of that APB is not predatory like other games and less so thanks to Little Orbit

exactly why I said normally. sometimes it  just isn't.

just trying to clarify for you that im not claiming its always worth it.

That's why gambling has laws and regulations that are to be followed. Video games dont currently have those gambling laws and regulations in place, hence why they are still doing those practices which shouldn't be available to minors. But that might change.

 

And saying they aren't my kids isn't solving or changing this problem since it is still a big problem. Not enough people are aware how daming they are in video games. That's just ignoring the problem that something must be done.

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1 minute ago, ScLines said:

That's why gambling has laws and regulations that are to be followed. Video games dont currently have those gambling laws and regulations in place, hence why they are still doing those practices which shouldn't be available to minors. But that might change.

 

And saying they aren't my kids isn't solving or changing this problem since it is still a big problem. Not enough people are aware how daming they are in video gamew. That's just ignoring the problem that something must be done.

I think you missed my point on this.

I never said laws aren't in place and/or shouldn't be.

Part of the problem is parents not properly parenting.

Making more laws while denying parental responsibility does not fix anything.

Both have to be addressed or nothing is solved.

 

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the game is already rated M... you can't tell me a year makes that much of a difference.

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What are you talking about?

They’re not loot boxes, they’re surprise mechanics, and they’re quite ethical!

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7 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

I think you missed my point on this.

I never said laws aren't in place and/or shouldn't be.

Part of the problem is parents not properly parenting.

Making more laws while denying parental responsibility does not fix anything.

Both have to be addressed or nothing is solved.

 

As studies have already shown and countless other sources have shown; Parental supervision is simply not enough, especially with gambling/predatory monetization involved. I don't mind video games getting the same treatment like the gambling industry already is doing.

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1 minute ago, ScLines said:

Parental supervision is simply not enough

It's their responsibility and their credit cards.

kinda stops it right there if the credit card isn't handed over for it.

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All those studies can suck my patootie, why are kinder eggs not banned yet, hell, saying "surprise me" should be a federal offence if it was by the "studies"

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16 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

It's their responsibility and their credit cards.

kinda stops it right there if the credit card isn't handed over for it.

Not really. Still not enough. If a kid went to a casino to gamble on a machine with their parents and the parents said it was fine, then you cant really say parental supervision is enough. That's why gambling laws and regulations exist to prevent minors/adolescents from gambling. Checking your credit cards for any unusual transactions would also be too late as the damage has already been done. Which is why gambling laws and regulations should be implemented into the video game industry. It's still better than no regulations/laws.

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End loot boxes!

Close casinos!

Ban liquor stores!

Take my wife's credit card!

 

 

Oh and most importantly RAISE MY KIDS FOR ME!

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, ScLines said:

then you cant really say parental supervision is enough

that would be lack of  , and the parents denying responsibility.

laws don't change anything if you don't hold all parties accountable.

 

and regardless of that , as i already said ,

48 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

And regardless of that APB is not predatory like other games and less so thanks to Little Orbit

 

38 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

Making more laws while denying parental responsibility does not fix anything.

 

25 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

It's their responsibility and their credit cards.

kinda stops it right there if the credit card isn't handed over for it.

I am not about to ban loot boxes or make APB adults only just because of how other games are preadatory and APB is not predatory like other games are and less so thanks to Little Orbit.

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OP I understand what you're saying an I even agree with regards that the gaming industry needs to be regulated with these type of laws. Its a change that's slowly coming and we're starting to see the affects of these discussions across the gaming industry. Its been something sorely needed since its painfully obvious this industry will continue to exploit these type of practices. Its still pretty bad out there especially when we look at how they lock content behind paywalls while still charging full price for a product etc... The whole need for better and stricter regulation is not limited to just loot boxes"surprise mechanics" guys, its also about the various other greedy and predatory practices they implement into games.

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11 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

that would be lack of  , and the parents denying responsibility.

laws don't change anything if you don't hold all parties accountable.

 

and regardless of that , as i already said ,

 

 

I am not about to ban loot boxes or make APB adults only just because of how other games are preadatory and APB is not predatory like other games are and less so thanks to Little Orbit.

If one game has gambling but all the others that have the same thing don't get regulated that seems alright to you? I disagree. Gambling is simply not for adolescents or children, and more and more it is shown that loot boxes have gambling-like mechanics since you are paying for a chance on a random reward, exactly like gambling even if you dont get a cash reward back. It is still predatory monetization.

 

Once the snowball gets going, just like what Belgium and Netherlands did. If UK follows them, no matter what some people that support loot boxes can't argue against the majority of people that are against it. It is that simple.

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Hol up. This game is rated M so no children should be around. Unresposible parenting is a whole other issue. I know the line 'think of the children' gets the boomers going in parliament, but think of the ratings too. Thats why sports games are getting a lof of attention regarding this.

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7 minutes ago, jerycho said:

Hol up. This game is rated M so no children should be around. Unresposible parenting is a whole other issue. I know the line 'think of the children' gets the boomers going in parliament, but think of the ratings too. Thats why sports games are getting a lof of attention regarding this.

What is also missing is that currently video games in North America especially dont have any gambling regulations/laws in place. When gambling regulations/laws were put in place in video games in Belgium, EA refused to comply subsequently with the regulations and pulled out. Basically not allowing loot boxes to be purchasable with real money.

 

If gambling regulations/laws actually came in place worldwide to the video game industry I bet not many developers will not be as likely to attempt these predatory monetizations as they are currently doing.

 

Though certainly this game being put to Adults Only instead of Mature would help things if ESRB did do their job on rating their games more properly when it comes to games having loot boxes/microtransactions.

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6 minutes ago, ScLines said:

What is also missing is that currently video games in North America especially dont have any gambling regulations/laws in place. When gambling regulations/laws were put in place in video games in Belgium, EA refused to comply subsequently with the regulations and pulled out. Basically not allowing loot boxes to be purchasable with real money.

 

If gambling regulations/laws actually came in place worldwide to the video game industry I bet not many developers will not be as likely to attempt these predatory monetizations as they are currently doing.

 

Though certainly this game being put to Adults Only instead of Mature would help things if ESRB did do their job on rating their games more properly when it comes to games having loot boxes/microtransactions.

Uh I didn't mean bringing the rating up. Although I would love if they spiced up the lore in-game and made it for more mature audience. ESRB are doing their job on ratings right afaik so far except for the sports games. Adult only implies you can cash in and out the money you've gambled and as someone said one year difference doesnt matter all that much at this point 17-18.

 

We can't have laws that essentially protect you from yourself applied globally. With kids its parenting, with adults they should seek help on their own if addicted. Now I didn't see any draft of the potential laws being put in place but if its only some warning or sticker on the game then I wouldn't mind I suppose since nobody is looking at those anyways + maybe showing the odds would be nice.

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Its quite surprising seeing that there are players supporting or at least not minding loot boxes. I personally would've preferred to pay a bit more but know exactly what i'm getting.

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