Musul Man

Jesus. Friggen. Christ. Removed Name and Shame ~@mayii People not only can hack your game, but they can shoot without aiming just like Squirrelface said, and if I'm not mistaken by the title of the video, they could also do it during the 3.5 engine beta test as well. You constantly deny these things exist, yet here is the proof. This game can be hacked in any sort of way. I wouldn't be surprised that maybe back in the day that awful experience with hacker admins were actually not admins but hackers that could just go into the servers and steal accounts or ban people themselves without being admins at all. Now I can see that people complaining about SPCT is not just a conspiracy theory, you guys really just don't care/know or are in on it completely. In complete denial of the truth. And LO listening to you is even worse. This makes me realise things haven't changed and my "doomer" theories are all true. I had hoped not. This is the same as G1. The difference is that G1 straight up choked you, but LO just does it while telling you everything is going to be fine. I'm just done with this game. Hackers win.

with all those downvotes to my post it is clear people around here are delusional, no wonder why everyone thinks there are no cheaters. The OP can try pushing this to LO, but they won't do anything because 1. they have too much to do first, 2. they may not care, 3. the game probably won't last long and neither will they since they will go down with it.

I have seen this before and I believe it is actually great. But I'd recommend personally that you hold on to it in its current state until further notice since it looks like APB won't make it to 2021. See what happens, maybe it gets sold again to another company or flat out dies. Perhaps a miracle happens (doubt it) and resurrects. Just don't waste more of your time, maybe in the meantime save it for your portfolio or CV and thats it.

Exactly. The game is going down the drain and the few that are left are like "NO! my game is NOT dying!" in full denial. I can explain why right down here with the next: Well that happens when you have all the players leave the game and the only ones that are left are the closet cheaters. Cheaters are toxic in nature, thats why they cheat, so they go in and spread the toxicity all over in chat. They will never leave because they are hooked on this game since day 1 and have probably spent hundreds of $$ on both cheats and ingame purchases. And when the time comes that they have no more easy kills, and fight club is just cheaters vs cheaters (which actually it pretty much was that a couple of months ago last time I checked), they will "take a break" (because they wont leave the game for good, they just take breaks) and then population goes to zero, which is pretty much the moment we are entering now slowly.

Not exactly. This time might be going down for good. If you take a look at the charts we have reached a new record of all time low players since forever... The game never had so few players. Also, a peak record of 72 players online ONLY at the lowest. This is 300% less players than the lowest record that was seen yet. In less than a month the game lost more players than the few last months have.

LOL no Ah, so its closing in. The critical mass of no players. It will reach a point soon where with less than X amount of players, being all of them from different time zones, there won't be enough players to fill one single district at any given time. Prepare to see LO start with "We regret to inform you" before we hit 2021

I just lurk the forums sometimes and watch in silence how this game dies a slow death that no engine can save. I can tell you its like only 5 sane people left at this point, everyone left the game, thats why the rest downvote you, only braindeads are left in here. So here have my upvote! so you know that at least you are not alone here. It was a good ride, but the game now has to die. I just hope one day someone will take the customization system idea from it at the very least.

/abandonmission more like /abandongame

Who cares if LO is squeezing or not, its just not relevant anymore. Just enjoy looking at how this crashes and burns. 800 players and dropping. Another 10% in the last month. I predict by the end of the year the game is dead.

Betas are games in a playable state, that are opened up privately or publicly to iron out some bugs. Rust was a beta for a long time, Deeprock Galactic is still a beta, Astroneer is a beta, Sven Coop is a beta. To give some examples. APB live version is the most close to what a beta is. But the APB in new engine version is at least a broken alpha that should never have been in the hands of the public, but it is probable that they do this because they are bleeding players FAST and they have to lure them in somehow. Just look at the steam charts, there has been an almost 50% drop in players last month. And new players come from steam, the only ones playing outside of steam are only the veterans that never left and don't really count in the numbers. Also betas don't last a couple of hours or one day... the betas are live for long periods of time. Couple that with the fact that the devs have actually said that they knew nothing about the game and have to learn on the run about the stuff... So I'm inclined to say that the "beta" is actually a broken alpha at best, put together by a handful of people that know nothing about developing games of this magnitude if they even know what to do (hell, their company's history is just mobile games in 2D and whatnot so it makes sense), and even less such a broken game from the getgo, with such a toxic playerbase. It is very probable that this "beta" was just what gamersfirst had years ago in the backburner that got patched up a bit to be in a workable state somehow so people could stress test and at the same time keep the hype alive about the "new engine", which is actually now obsolete as well... Everyone I know has left the game, and some I knew just keep playing because they can hack the game easily and its fun for them to cheat in a game, adding to the toxicity of this community. So I left too. And you should as well in my opinion, bail, jump ship before it sinks, because its sinking fast. I kept looking at forums for a while to see how things were going and if it was all true, but after all I have seen so far with the beta fiasco I don't think this is going to go well, despite if the devs are actually putting some real effort on it or not. So I've decided to not even check the forums. If you join me on this it must be your decision and I shall not take any responsability or any accusations of attempting to make people leave the game, this is just my opinion.

Yeah probably 10% could be right. So you guys do have the numbers, so why don't you ban them? Wasn't it that LO can afford to ban them? So why don't they. Also, 10% of the playerbase that does not stay in social district is a LOT. How much % stay in social? 30 to 40%? Lets do some numbers... Let's pretend there's a flat number of players playing, like 40 players each district. Lets say Jericho. Usually there are 3 districts with players, including the social. So 1/3 of the playerbase doesn't count. (35% roughly). 3 districts would be 120 players online. Minus 35% is 78 players. Now... 10% of 120 (because we are talking about the entire playerbase's 10% of course) is 12. So we have 12 hackers, but 12 out of 78 is actually almost 16%. Now extrapolate that to bigger numbers and you will get more hackers and less players playing (more in social). Then take into account that hackers get gold status easily so they rank up very fast and are put against a smaller playerbase (silver and gold players). How much % of the playerbase are silver and gold players? Well now that 16% could be 50% because they are being put against a smaller playerbase, not the entirety of it, thats why the numbers don't add up by just looking at them like you are looking at them. Thats why you get a hacker on each mission, because you are put against the same small pool of players over and over and over, and in that small pool the hackers grow because they ALL end up there while player numbers stay the same.

When I said that LO can't ban the cheaters because they are the top players spending top dollar keeping the game afloat, I was told that it was crazy to think that, that LO could keep the game alive without them. I'm glad at least there is still some sane people around here that have thought the same as me. Also to all those that think otherwise, I'd like to see the numbers, the numbers of how much $$$ does every player spend and who are their characters ingame. I'm sure we will see all the top gold players that are accused daily of cheating as well as some suspicious streamers. If LO even bans half of those the game dies for sure. As I said before, the guys that waste 500 dollars a month on this game can easily waste an extra 30 or so for a closet cheating subscription and assure victory and status ingame for the great dopamine injections.

OP does have a point. There is a cheater epidemic since ever. It now shows itself more than ever before because the cheaters never left the game while the rest of the players did, specially after Battleye was installed, many players weren't happy with this and left. Also, many cheaters did come back again cheating because of the massive unban, which was a double edged sword. I doubt that there were that many false banned players vs. banned cheaters, so I think that from all those that came back to play because they were unbanned were mostly the hackers, which is a loss. So now with less players but more cheaters, the epidemic problem is really an epidemic, while back in the day of lets say 2011 the same amount of cheaters was not that noticeable since there were a lot of real players in between, and people got even matches also thanks to matchmaking. And thats another problem people confuse here a lot. Matchmaking is a problem today because there are no players to match! And also another confusion people make here is that there is no freaking huge skill gap. The only skill gap is learning to use your weapon, aim good, like any other game, but mostly know the map, so you can predict the enemy movement which often looks like wallhack. But high rank closet cheaters in this game have full access to the game's old engine and have created extremelly customizable private cheats, that I have often been offered to use by some clans (clans that as of today have never been banned), that allow you to cheat and look like if you are just superpro at the game by doing a combination of smooth aimbot with camera acceleration and aimbot bloom. Many of them even go around with the cheat on hold/deactivated and when they are up against a match they cannot win they suddenly activate the cheat and start owning everyone, suddenly all shots land, the guy's prediction of your movements becomes extremelly accurate and their awareness of sorroundings as well as their reaction time suddenly is instantaneous. Closet cheaters in this game have become such a norm that they became the community, and created a toxic ambience. They themselves were the high rank gold players, often streamed, and created the hate towards any player that was less than gold, and also created the automatic disregard of anything said from anyone that was less than gold which were of course all players except themselves. Also whenever someone said "hacks" in any post they would just start trolling and flaming, making fun of the guy. This went on for years and it stuck, now everyone does this. The most active members of the community in the social media (forum, reddit, steam, streamers) were and still probably are to some extent, the same closet cheaters that get the dopamine rush by winning in the game and watching those killcount numbers grow. And this is one big problem, because the most important members of the community, to Little Orbit, are the players that put money in the game. But if these guys that spend 500$ a month on the game also spend 50$ extra to pay for a private cheat subscription that makes them pro at it, they do it. And the playerbase is so tiny (200ish players in jericho for example) that actually banning them would hurt the income and kill the game. And if the numbers of the statistics that were posted on these forums some time ago are right, we'd have to ban a lot of players since according to it there is 50% of enforcers hacking, and 40% of criminals. And actually last time I played I did not find these numbers exaggerated, sadly, because I was constantly seeing in every match at least one cheater in the best case scenario, although normally it was more than one and almost always on the enforcer side, also many cheater clans back in business, and many names I've known through the years to be absolute cheaters and/or that were banned for it. And also seeing the guys that offered me to cheat still playing made my blood boil, so I left the game and check the forums once every so often to see how it is evolving. So basically, LO can't ban them or the game will die. But if they don't ban them the game will die, even with the engine upgrade. Thats what I think. I believe this game can't be saved, but time will tell if I'm right or wrong. One thing is for sure is that this guy got it right, even if he is kind of trolling:

It is possible that false bans happened, since someone here said that Matt got himself banned while testing it. But I don't know if thats true, I'd like to see the post where he says this, and people also asked for it and there was no response so it could be fake. Anyways remember that the goat did expose several streamers and SPCT members back in the day as hackers, and all of them were R255 or close, so neither being max rank nor a streamer excludes the person from being a closet cheater.

wrote that other reply almost asleep and forgot the rest lol, I wanted to reply saying: don't worry, me and my friends played without any sort of cheat or macro or overlay always (just like any other game any normal person plays, without any modifications whatsoever) and we never had any of the problems these people whine about. Its very likely they are attempting to get on the devs' good side by playing innocent. This tactic went on for years with closet cheaters and gamersfirst, lets hope LittleOrbit does not hear them and stand their ground with the banning decisions.

With the amount of high ranking closet cheaters in this game that have never been banned that have spent thousands of dollars in hacks and armas stuff, and those few that make the hacks and sell them.., I'm not surprised they'd come here and say "I was banned out of nowhere and I've been playing for 10 years with no problems". So I can't really believe the OP. It will be up to the devs to decide with what info they have.

I meant that if the guy is questioned about the crosshair he can just go "its an overlay" while perhaps there is a 50% chance it is actually part of a cheat, and people will have to believe the guy. Therefore he proves his legitness by saying he is using an overlay.

This. The update has a good idea about removing lootboxes, but the % chance is still there. People will still have to spend money for a small %, only now with a roof limit of sorts. The only thing that the 100$ cost does is put a maximum price on the chance of getting a gun. The problem is not just that black markets sell for less (I guess you did your research? i haven't seen a black market for APB, well actually never looked), but those guns JUST. AINT. WORTH. THAT MUCH. For example. I can get a permanent osmaw for 10.000 tickets. But the volcano will cost me 50.000. Its not worth to invest in the volcano. Also many legendary guns are just not good enough to be spending that much tickets or even having them. The ingame auction is full of people selling the legendaries for ever decreasing prices since nobody wants them because of how bad those are. People can barely get 300ish tickets per week through fightclub since there are no players left and fightclub is zero players most of the time, and when it isn't it is always dominated by 3 or 4 people from questionable clans with questionable "skills" that apparently never get detected making the challenges a hell of a chore. Joker tickets are too hard to get right now to spend months grinding for 50k tickets and get a mediocre gun. I rather grind that much to get 5, yes five, guns of equal or better quality than just one legendary gun. You will see what I'm talking about when no player spends tickets on some of the legendary guns ever. Because those are not good enough, or just not worthy if we can get a 100% chance equal or better non legendary version. Buffing the guns would still not fix this since buffing them enough that it would be worthy to invest 100$ on them would mean to break the game with unbalance issues. I suggest you people adjust the prices of the legendary guns in both tickets and % of permanent drop chance according to how good they are, or how strong people want to have them.

Yeah I kind of didn't phrase it correctly there. But anyways, if the anticheat doesn't detect it I can go blatant with any sort of thing, record a video where the only part of the cheat that is recorded is the extra crosshair and show it as proof of legitness. If any sort of aid is absolutely not allowed then people can't have an excuse for something like this. Also why would you use a crosshair overlay?? the game already has a crosshair when it is needed at almost all times, having one extra crosshair just tells me you are into the less than obscure software that enhances games which is just a step before using triggerbots and then aimbots. I have never ever seen a gameplay video of a shooter using any sort of aid of whatever. The only game I have seen this in my 30 years of gaming is just here on APB, the place where I also have seen way more hackers than on counter strike, and that is a thing.

But how do you know if the guy is using a crosshair overlay or he is using the crosshair from a hidden aimbot? Thats where LO failed. You can't know the difference just by looking at it in a video. It could be that the crosshair is the only thing appearing on the video but in reality the guy has all sorts of cheats all over the screen he alone can see.

When did they feign ignorance and catch people? What I have seen so far is a perpetuation of the "no name and shame" tactic from G1 (also they are keeping the name G1, why??? super strange) coupled with the announcement of that the anticheat is on manual mode. This is telling me right out the bat that they are not planning on banning anyone unless the guy is very blatant about it I guess. Also I'm beginning to think that FairFight didn't falsely ban people. Perhaps those people were using macros and or triggerbots and considered those as "normal", some because they had them in their mouse or keyboard hardware. But a macro or triggerbot is a cheat, because a cheat is a cheat. Also a crosshair overlay is a cheat, what if a gun or action doesn't show a crosshair on purpose for balance issues? A cheat is a cheat.

I want to comment here just to say some constructive criticism. I see a lot of you guys have the "Transformers syndrome". Can any of you guys out of the top of your head draw any of the transformer robots from the movies? I don't think so. The "Transformers syndrome" is when you put so many details in a character that it ends up being extremelly confusing and hard to remember. Take a look at the characters from the contacts from the days of RTW APB and then take a look at the characters posted here. You will see a difference. Characters from the original game are quite simplistic or if they have a lot of confusing symbols, tattoos and shapes in the clothes they compensate with unique features and colors. Some of them could be improved because of this, but overall many of the original characters are perfect because they are simple. Remember that a character made for the game should be memorable. (example: who's the new contact? the guy with the red afro). Many of you (not all of you) have done it the transformers way, so keep in mind you could ask someone else to see your character and ask again the next day if they can draw it for you, so to see if they remember anything. As for me, I'd have to modify my char too much to submit something worthy to the challenge, and I'm just not gonna do it, neither do I have the time. So good luck to you guys, I hope the character chosen has something to do with what Joker is about: jokes and ammo, with the white-black-red-green colors. And as for me and my character, I can say it is a very good example of how not to fall into the transformers syndrome, Anyone that has seen my char ingame remembers it and its so simple that it can be drawn in a second, yet it has a personality. Learn from the mistakes of other people! Learn from Michael Bay.

Personally, after the switch to BE, for a few days the population went downhill very fast. But now I'm seeing new accounts with low level characters that are gold and clearly hacking, more and more. Its probably that they are testing with new throw away accounts, and others are waiting for the coast to clear just like someone in here said. But the problem feels is getting worse. There are more suspicious new characters than before. It could be that BE is not that good. Also I'm seeing people that I know are cheating going online like nothing is happening.

This is a bug so old that I can vouch for it existing since I started playing in 2011. Whenever you are aiming too close to a car, the rocket will fire with an angle opposite to the position of the car. It is annoying as hell, as you can see in the screenshot above, and it could mean life or death. One time I suspected it was a broken feature that would stop you from firing if you were going to hit the hitbox of a car you were too close to, stopping you from dying, and the devs just forgot to adjust it properly and add the unable to fire function, or probably realised the best way was to leave that as it was and let the player kill himself if he wanted or he made a mistake (which is the way to go). But then I realised that I was not even aiming at the hitbox, otherwise in the same position I wouldn't be able to shoot with guns. Anyways, it could be hitbox related. So this could be a bigger issue, I don't know. The devs should look at what this is and at the cars' hitboxes vs rockets.

Problem 1: You can resupply in Joker Machines, cars with resupply mod, and ammoboxes, but also in Car Spawners (wtf??) Also you can change weapons in them, they work just like joker machines. Fix this or add Joker machines next to all of them if thats the intention. Problem 2: You can spam explosives if you stand next to any of these Solution 1: Stop car spawners from giving ammo. Make explosives resupply super slow. Solution 2: Stop car spawners from giving ammo. Make explosives never resupply on anything but Joker machines and personal ammobox. (I think the devs took this route, or perhaps its just a bug, because the consumable ammo boxes did resupply explosives some time ago, but now they don't. Resupplying explosives did take more ammo than regular guns from those boxes. Solution 3: Stop car spawners from giving ammo. Make grenades have a timer instead. Solution 4: Stop car spawners from giving ammo. Make grenades have one use per death, only resupplying after you respawn. Make it count. Solution 5: Stop car spawners from giving ammo. Make explosives have a hidden timer until you can resupply again, stopping the spam. The timing could be 30 second, 1 minute, i don't know which could be more balanced.