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And kill any viewer interaction which is one of the major selling points of most streams. Also wouldn't even work in APB... can still easily find and harass the streamer. There is a reason why "streamer-mode" is a necessity and selling point in games nowadays.

Of course everyone can make up their own mind and judge for themselves as long as they do it in private. My whole issue with you and those threads has been that those individuals decided to step out and go public. As soon as that happens it very much matters whether their accusations are right or wrong. At this point I'm not sure you really understand the meaning of "credibility of your accusations" here? It's just not there so anything you say doesn't matter. So what concerns me isn't your credibility but the people gobbling these accusations up while lacking the insight of the positions and qualifications of those posters. Yes, I would say I get a lot of accusations when playing, if more or less than others I don't know and I don't really care about it as long as those people don't go on to the forums and proclaim that they have the skills to differentiate between veterans and cheaters which has been the ISSUE this whole time. Did that get it across? To bad then that you did accuse over whisper and /d (public) then. Lied again. Also this isn't about how to handle those comments, as you said the tools are there and everyone can decide for themselves to moderate it, but what they do to your credibility (yes, that word again) Like I previously said I am very conscious about keeping my distance to such people. I've also been pretty outspoken about some of the most infamous cases so my position is pretty clear. I said: "I will say it's not minor but blowing the whole "plagued subculture" out of proportion doesn't help either. " remember there is more than two absolutes. I didn't skim through and neither did I misunderstand it. You made the same mistake that I've talked about twice already. That's just not how percentages and numbers work. It's not "my" 40% (37%). I quoted it from you (KittyYekaterina). Just as 2 average can potentially be 8 individuals. The absolute worst case would be that everyone of these decide to cheat in APB only then and ONLY THEN would there be 40% of cheaters. But that is not the case. You have 3% that always cheat. 9% often so let's say about 7%. 13% sometimes could be around half let's add another 6%. Rarely we can add another 2%. That accumulates to a total of 18% that would have decided to cheat in APB. Nowhere near close the 40% (37%). Still a scary number nonetheless but I will point out again the small sample size that goes from. I think I've answered this often enough now. My advice: look at the numbers twice. Maybe he shouldn't visit those sites if he can't handle the obvious: people openly discuss cheats on a cheat-forum. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ An aimbot can kill you only as fast as the gun/bloom allows you since there is only one hitbox with no instakills. Like I said "veteran groups" usually means good teamwork. Trade each other. Ladders and doors are chokepoints where the cheater can't shoot back for a time. Work with cars, cheater that reloads cant shoot back. Are we all playing the same gun? Use burst weapons that reduce exposure, use range on them or just straight out-ttk them. I've played ACES smg and straight out-ttked aimbots close range (obviously you won't always reach that minimal ttk but you only need one kill to progress at times). Not to mention grenades. There are just so many ways to level the playing field. So please, do me a favor and stop with that ignorant view of aimbots can't be beaten. It's quite the silly statement in APB. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Sure, figure of speech. We both (three) know that number comes from the above linked article. Also with your very educated break-down you came to the conclusion of 160 active gold players? With this level of kindergarten mathematics I won't even bother to proceed with your post.

Oh, I thought it was about griefing with no one in a mission. It's pretty self explanatory that griefing/ghosting is done by a third party not involved in the mission so the whole "out of mission" confused the hell outta me. Well, that's a major issue for big streamers though. For example if summit (or any other streamer) should really decide to come back to check out the EU then there needs some sort to prevent that. Either streamer mode or through instant phasing. Personally I'd hate to lose the flair but if that could give us a chance to somewhat get positive exposure I'm all for it.

Pretty sure he meant people that are not in the mission griefing/ghosting people in missions. Otherwise I wouldn't know what could be ghosted for non-missions. Unless of course you think that is also not an issue? Feel like could be a misunderstanding in definition here?

No one but you mentioned out of mission griefing? So... what are you on about?

Who talks about my credibility? I am talking about yours when it comes to accusing others of cheating? How do you twist that. Also why lie, you do accuse over whisper and go afk in missions (and I doubt we were an isolated case). And just because you don't remember my name doesn't mean it didn't happen. Maybe it's difficult to keep up with everyone that you have accused? It's high enough so that we do beat the majority of them and there is nothing unique about that. Any of these stacked veteran groups will tell you the same. You're very presumptuous by coming here and telling veterans that it is a fact that they should easily lose vs decent cheaters while they literally tell you that it is not the case. It comes back to the point that you're not actually on the level of skill that you think you are. APB is very unique in it's design which offers quite the amount of tools to stand up against pretty much any cheater with a chance to win even vs those blatants. Third-person, chokepoints, vehicles, no one-shot (one hitbox), radar/spotter, closed doors and so on... these all help level the playing field while in other games you just get an insta headshot. Maybe that makes it some kind of challenge for cheaters? But then that would go against the principle of cheating - a challenge. Or it's popular in the hvh circle since so many think veterans are cheaters. Who knows. At least now I know where you guys came up with the "40% of APB are cheaters lol". You're drawing the wrong conclusions from those numbers again (same as the "poster" reference). Instead of reading that Forbes dude go to the source at least they can interpret their own numbers correctly. Though 6k gamers is a very small sample size. Also I said cheaters can lose interest as much as "any other" not "normal" players which includes players that are heavily invested and don't lose interest easily. Do cheaters tend to lose interest less likely, sure I can go with that, but they still can and that's all I said so please refrain from changing my words to fit your argument. Well for example the above mentioned: or pretty much any other number or evaluation that has been given and blown out of proportion. It's a reoccurring theme in these threads.

Dunno why you start talking about your vids and philosophize about reputation or whatever. Never mentioned them or replied in reference to them. I am talking about your hard called accusations ingame where you call out legit veterans which when you argue about having the actual skill to differentiate between those and cheaters just cannot happen. See: "The issue is that the wrong accusations have a far larger impact on the credibility than the convicted ones." I pull these stats from experience because like you said it depends on their settings and usually only the absolute hardcore speedhacking blatants are near impossible to beat. The rest which is the majority of the cheater population can be fairly well handled in a coordinated group of those veterans. We obviously both pull those estimates of leaving players out of our booties but I think it's quite possible to make an educated guess that the casuals/averages players are the majority that leave. Veterans may become less active but they are still here to keep an eye out and play from time to time. Cheaters can lose interest just as much as any other player. I will start respecting their opinion when they bring more to the table than hyperboles and unrealistic estimates. You call my view lax. I call it advised. Also you don't take district numbers in reference to those "posters" that's a major flaw in your way of thinking. If you want to make an even a slightly accurate estimate you would need to take the average players and not forget about the flow of players leaving/joining. For example an average of 2 players could still be 8 different individuals. But again because of that your argument is nothing more than a worthless exaggeration I agree with you here. I'd like to think that I am very cautious about the friends I choose to play with. Quite proud to say that not a single one of my mates got FF'ed or banned for cheating pre/post FF. Having lead a sizable but decently skilled clan for a while I can say that we had no case of cheating either (one almost made it in but got booted in his trial games). As a competitive character I'm quite conscious about not surrounding me with such individuals. But I feel this is drifting to much Offtopic so lets drop that. Please, don't reply in that format again. I think we can remember what we wrote in a few paragraphs. Was a hazzle to copy&cut. I added some quotes as guidelines if that helps.

Sure you can further accuse people but like I said I just cannot believe into the validity of them from that point on. Also not saying that you're never correct, in fact with the criticized loose throw around of those accusations, it is obviously going to be correct sometimes. The issue is that the wrong accusations have a far larger impact on the credibility than the convicted ones. You mentioned that the casuals and average players tend to leave which leaves the cheaters AND the veterans thus further increasing the chances of meeting both parties (not just cheaters). Taking into consideration that the majority of cheaters actually still lose to those groups it is not a far fetch to believe even more so that false accusations are bound to happen more frequently. I will say it's not minor but blowing the whole "plagued subculture" out of proportion doesn't help either. It just stirs the paranoia. Just because a bunch of people keep posting those threads still doesn't make them any more valid. Last time I checked the weight of an argument isn't in it's quantity but quality. If I (or like minded people) stop posting to oppose these threads then what is left are the people believing in it. Surely exceeding prior accusations and supporting each other in their believes will have great yields. No, I prefer to partake and point out exaggerations where due. Don't remember having played you in a long while. So fair enough if you managed to change but from what I remember I cannot take your accusations serious, sorry.

You're misinterpreting my "claim". I'm aware of a cheater subculture but how significant? My only estimate to that is less than all those threads make out to be. My actual claim is that people like you that have a self-proclaimed good eye and the skills to be able to distinguish between good veterans and cheaters are overestimating yourself. So instead of supporting your position it has the opposite effect and renders your statement wrong because being wrong in at least one case makes any other accusation unbelievable too. Because like I said, you're both known to accuse legit veterans yet here I am still playing vanilla (not even advanced launcher) since 2011 through every iteration of cheater eras. Sure, I've never hidden behind anonymity (my main was always signed in my signature). Shinto (crim), Nanmin (enf)

And they will keep upvoting each other creating the delusion that they are correct and in the majority! So, yes someone is delusional but it's not you.

Didn't say otherwise.

It's probably about the time when the Headless Horseman event was premiering and people removed the fog to snipe people in the distance.

Really hate (even though reminds me of good old drama) to bring this to the forum but the way you try to present yourself to justify your post I just cannot accept. No, you're not as good as you think you are and you have severe ego problems so don't even try to play that card. Both you and your friend @Tigrix (cute how you post together to support each other btw.) are known for being salty losers that can't handle being beaten by people simply better than you. So sorry to bring that to you but the majority of people you have accused and punished with afking are indeed "just old better playing veterans". Pretty sure most of the old Citadel veterans can attest to that.

Nah, FF really did clean house until G1 undermined their own efforts and its integrity with stupid decisions. There were several max rank 4men Squads trying to look legit for years.

Really should have listened to me!

Should have moved it to the trashbin!

I'm talking about small changes like adding stairs/props/access points that balance spots/objectives and still change gameplay in those areas. Why add new stuff before fixing the old ones.

Matt didn't say that they remove threat altogether. Hes talking about after implementation of phasing with "no visible threat on districts" but still with players having their threat. Whoever thinks making a pvp game with no threat/elo is a good idea doesn't understand pvp.

Work on the existing maps. Keeps it fresh and adds to balance. But not like we have already mentioned that a dozens time with link to the old rework thread...

Sad part is he will think you're also a cheater which will reinforce his opinion of cheating himself since "everyone else is cheating too" Usually what happens with the ones that lack the skills to even realize how they are beat (this case radar). Reminds me of the time when carspawners were visible on the map and we hunted down all those afk'ler that didn't want to play us. People went mental.

Was always said that past rewards could be earned at a later time (bunch of seasons in) when starting Riot as a new player. Nowhere ever was exclusivity mentioned. This is still a f2p game. Money needs to come from somewhere and having the option between buy/grind is usually the best overall.

The actual Mirage is behind the van!

it's not difficult, it's tedious - huge difference in achievement terms

You kind of need to mention the mission name otherwise we can't help you whether it was 'glitched' or not. If it's balanced would be another question.

No thanks, that's just adding issues. Arcadey gameplay is not a bad thing - it's one of the strong points that makes for smooth pvp. Just leave that stupid realism with clunky/slow animations out the door...