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  1. Why are so focused on making the CSG a downgrade of the thunder, how on earth can a secondary shotgun "showstopper thunder" can get higher range than the primary ranged shotgun "CSG". I mean why bother using a ranged primary shotgun when you can equip a secondary one that can out perform it at 20-25 meters fights which should have been its arena. You did buff the CSG's damage to 651 as many of us suggested and buffed the fire interval to (0.7s) instead of keeping it on par with the JG (0.68s) which might not even be noticeable so i have no complaints. But why did you need to nerf their ranges that badly? You literally fixed one problem and created another for no reason at all. The JG's range is so bad right now i dont even know what you're doing at this point.
  2. This should change with the upcoming shotgun balance, hopefully. I agree, ursus is too good at the moment with no real competition in its weapon category, being a mega buffed ntec version. I agree, if they wanted to nerf the jumping accuracy of the MAIN most used assault rifle they should have applied this to all assault rifles, otherwise people will switch to Obeya/FAR/Obir/Ursus in most cases instead. Disagree, OCA was too strong and forgiving, pmg was a matter of rng either you hit all your shots and that makes it superior to the oca in that case or miss everything. People have always complained about the pmg for years and is still yet to get reasonably nerfed. I agree, Thunder being a SECONDARY shotgun that can 4 or 5 stk at 40+ meters, let alone consistently 3stk at 20+ meters, even the PRIMARY supposedly "high ranged" shotgun aka CSG isn't even close to that. They are in the process of "reverting" it to it's viable state, even though uptill now i wouldn't call their latest update viable or let alone a reversion, anyways that should change with the upcoming shotgun balancing patch aswell. I agree, the hvr damage is way too high and forgiving not it's ability to jumphot/quick scope/no scope. Instead of actually nerfing the damage a little bit considering the already existing downgrades of the weapon like it's heavy weight and weapon switching delay between shots, LO took the easy way out by killing one of the fundamental gameplay of snipers in any existing fps game. It should get have its damage per accuracy back to what it used to be and get a slight damage nerf. I'd rather have someone trying to jumpshot/no scope me instead of someone camping 80/90 meters away 85ing me with 1 shot I don't understand how hard it could have been to figure how to fix that annoying bug that LO themselves introduced to the game and actually fixing it for good, it's been almost 2 years now, comon. Radar tower is one of the core mods in the game and this bug is way too annoying and frustrating to stay until UE 3.5 comes out, it should have had a priority quick fix on the live version long ago imo. Not an NA player, haven't played the game for almost 2 years now but this NA has always had this issue and removing threat segregation wouldn't be anything special, bronzies will quit tired of being stomped on by better players, the good players will quit bored of playing against players lower in skill than their own. NA's only fix to that issue, or APB in general, is the hope of players coming back to this game after the new engine update gets on live. As i previously said i haven't been playing for a long time and have no idea of how that actually works but I actually support the idea of reworking the prestige/heat systems competitively. I don't fully support the the current bounty changes, but I think they are meant to be temporary until they figure out what to do or how to do it, which is still better than nothing for the time being.
  3. Don't really get the idea of over nerfing guns needlessly, the CSG's damage doesn't make sense verses a kevlar 3 player, as a pump shotgun it should at least reward its user by allowing him to be able to 2 shot the enemy if he's accurate enough. the CSG's firerate is much worse than the JG's therefore it's firerate will still render it useless against a JG user up close in its supposed "range". On the other hand the JG looks more balanced having it's pre LO damage back to 720 which is still high enough to be feared at cqc. In my opinion, CSG's fire interval needs to be on par with the JG's (0.68s) and get a damage boost up to 650 which is the least max damage required to 2 shot a kevlar 3 enemy player having a total of 1300 hp (in case of landing all pellets on target), which was the case with the pre LO CSG and it simply felt great to use. The difference between those 2 shotguns was always the extra damage per shot for the JG meaning it could end an enemy who's tagged more than 28% in 1 shot unlike the CSG which needed a 35% tagged enemy, also JG was always the less accuracy per damage shotgun choice making it excel at closer ranges unlike the CSG which needed a more accurate shot to be able to deal a respectable amount of damage per shot making it excel in farther ranges. I'm confused at how you're seeing them similar, you can't just over nerf one of them and let the other outshine it simply because you think that they need to feel that much different according to your data. What's simply gonna happen is that CSGs would remain unused in the inventory of most of the players which has been the situation since the last weapon balancing. Edit : if you guys are incapable of managing a shotgun balance right now, i suggest to just completely revert every shotgun to its pre LO stats and push these changes to live so players can actually enjoy playing them until you guys figure out a better plan which would be completely unnecessary since all shotguns except shredder were 100% fine as they were.
  4. You are free to check for yourself whether that was anecdotal evidence or not. Plus hexerin didn't bring any hard data to the table rather he was expressing his frustration about shotguns going back actually requiring some skill to be able to min. ttk enemies with them.
  5. Did you even give yourself an opportunity to read what was written to you? As a vet and a shotgun main i can say that shotguns were not inconsistent and i was almost guaranteed to 2 shotting my enemies 95% of the times if they were in my shotgun's range. Do not blame the guns for your own shortcomings as u were told above.
  6. I'm all in for expanding differences between csg and jg but let's not forget that the csg is also a shotgun and if it happens to face a jg head on in close ranges with no covers it should be on par with the jg in terms of firerate otherwise jg is almost guaranteed to win in a high tier match no matter what with the extra damage, wider spread, and faster firerate. (accuracy should be the deciding factor in that kind of fight not weapon stats) Let's hope you balance those two shotguns properly this time.
  7. Ray scaling was introduced in order to make shotguns more forgiving and easy for the players who are inconsistent themselves at that weapon category. Shotguns worked just fine as they originally were to me.
  8. I'll be giving my 2 cents about the main pump shotguns (jg/csg) only, Just revert those two shotguns to what they used to be exactly before your 2018 shotgun balancing, both pump shotguns felt good with their 0.68 firerate and did well standing their ground vs each other while keeping their styles unique and the so did they vs other cqc weapons so i don't support the idea of increasing their firerate at all, some people think this kind of firerate is too much which it seems like on paper when it's not the case in pvp where each player's movement/aim/predictions are the deciding factors in any cqc fight or any fighting in general. Btw since this is supposed to be a revert then let me ask why does the jg have a max damage of 790 instead of 720 (what it really used to have)?
  9. Unreal engine 4 apb simply won't be a thing as stated by mattscott himself saying : "We basically realized that developing both APB Reloaded and APB2 was too much for us. The Australia team was struggling to get their head around the massive amounts of tech". The only situation where apb is developed using new engines is when another far more experienced company buys apb which i doubt, or the chinese player who owns unit games and recently bought the "apb brand" developes a brand new kind of apb. That being said I think it's pretty clear they have made their decision on not going past unreal engine 3.5 ever.
  10. It's not like jericho is relevant anymore at this point anyway, yes?
  11. The jg's max damage damage output is certainly wrong aswell since it used to deal 720 max damage pre LO not 792, with that much damage it remains to be a pretty brain dead weapon (it's kinda hvr in close ranges). Other than that I'm glad to see that the csg got reverted back to it's playable state.
  12. Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but they were at their finest spot before LO changed them the first time.
  13. Hello, not gonna comment about the other weapons balance but if that's what you have in mind for weapon balancing especially for shotguns I'm glad to tell you that this game will die sooner than you think with how you're ignoring what the players have been saying over and over like reverting the shotguns to the pre LO weapon changes, all shotguns were 100% fine. If anybody had any problems with them, that was just them having a really bad aim. The two main shotguns that everyone who really knows how to play this game care about worked as inteneded, jg was always better in closer ranges than the csg even though the csg still had a close RoF to the jg, and the csg was always better in longer ranges than the jg, there was no need to nerf/buff/rework anything. Aside from having good server, client performance and stuff to grind in this game I think the gun gameplay is the most important thing to consider when someone wants to enjoy a shooters game, and if you don't realize how bad you're ignoring players and how bad you're doing on balancing (fucking) weapons thinking that you're the one with the better future vision for this game, well... You're done for. I'm just here watching you fuck up time after another with not a single remarkable positive change, even some people would think that this isn't a fuck up yet, It actually is a fuck up to even introduce these ideas a begining for weapon balancing. Get your shit sorted please.
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