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Christ are we still doing this? Look, I don't know how to dumb this down for you even more. If you want to continue this discussion DM me. I think we've hijacked this thread long enough.

Nothing has changed. In order to go directly from T to gold, you need those first matches to be against high rank / threat opp. So if you get bronze opp, you probably wont go straight gold no matter how well you do, buy if you destroy say gold opp, you will. (speaking from experience)

Basically this^ Well said friend, well said.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

Banning all that stuff... weak sauce. Same goss for all rules that only apply in this tournament. Hit me up if you ever do an "anythig goes" tournament. You know, like APB is supposed to be played. weak, weak sauce

Am I reading this wrong? Because it seems to support what I have said. He never said he reviewed every case. Please tell me if I am wrong about this. If he had, LO would be able to unban only the questionable bans while leaving the rightful bans in place. No? And as for what percent Matt Scott would consider "a lot" of false bans... we simply do not know. Correct? Please tell me where I missed his explaination of what "a lot" means in the context in which he used it . Maybe its 1%, maybe its 10%, maybe its 99%, it is simply not stated.

Are you saying LO has already gone through each and every of the 17,000+ bans + silent bans + non FF related bans and decided "conclusively" how many were questionable? Because Matt Scott certainly not said that. Regardless, you do not know what Matt meant when he said a lot. For all we know, even one false ban could be too many for him. You simply do not know. And yes, both 1% and 10% of $17,000 (or 1% or 10% of 17,000 bans) can be a lot. There is a reason that when scientists and mathmeticians work, hey never use the term "a lot" when discussing values. Take Lego as an example... they can make some 3,000,000 or more pieces without any mistakes. so lets say that is 1 : 3,000,000 ratio. If that number suddenly jumped up to 1% or 30,000 : 3,000,000 they could definitely say there are suddenly a "lot" of mistakes being made. Are you getting it yet?

OK... Both 1% and 10% of $1,000,000 is a lot of money. Or if Im extremely poor... Both 1% and 10% of $17,000 is a lot of money. See how that works now? And as for due diligence, there is a reason LO is NOT unbanning everyone before BE is online. And its CERTAINLY not because they think everyone was falsely banned. lmfao In fact, it sort of proves these players cannot be trusted since LO did not reverse all the bans immediately. Add to that the fact that APB was NEVER popular, and has more or less terrible reviews everywhere you look , you start to see why they might do something as irregular as unban thousands and thousands of known rule breakers in order to try to boost numbers. Also if you think cheaters dont spend money, dig up that old Dev Blog from the old forums that gave stats on that when fairfight was released, then multiply those numbers by 17,000. Math doesnt lie. Its really quite simple if you stop and think about it without emotion.

Played in a 2v5 the other day. Everyone was gold. We were the two. We could not call backup.

Oh... you missed the point entirely. "a lot" is subjective What is a lot of money to a rural farmer in china vs what is a lot of money to Donald Trump? (small loan of a million dollars anyone?) What does Matt think "a lot" is? Is it the same as what you think? And how do you know? And as I pointed out, it is unlikely that Mr Scott himself even knows an exact number. Honestly it just sounds like he is saying "Its not the way I would have handled things" which makes sense since he isnt even giving GMs the power to ban. And if you think LO bought this game and is making decisions for reasons other than to make a profit, perhaps you should get a bit better acquainted with "reality". But regardless, I assume you will be getting an account back whem BE arrives. Good luck to you.

IKR ? Im having flashback of grad school. here have a gif to calm the nerves...

I dunno el Sadiro... might be sooner than you think if they keep making promises like this... God help them if things dont happen "relatively soon".

Well thats kind of the thing. We dont know what a "lot" means. 1% (170+ false bans)? 10% (1,700+ false bans)? 50% (8,500+ false bans?) LO lacks even the support crew to handle 2,000 support tickets. Even after they started using a copy paste reply, they still have only gotten through hundreds since the acquisition. Matt himself said they were not prepared. There is absolutely no way they could go through 17,000+ bans individually to know who was or wasnt banned falsely. So I would guess that even Matt does not know the exact number of false bans. I just mean look at any game that runs BE. People still claim false ban almost all the time. Just like APB does now. I do not expect that to change once BE arrives. This was a good statement. I was both shocked and alarmed to hear it, as I think a lot of people were. But there is something you need to keep in mind... LO is a business, and no business can run at a loss forever. We can assume LO spent what was no small amount to acquire GamersFirst and all of it assets. They are running multiple development teams on multiple projects. They also appear to not have the money to hire GM's or forum moderation staff as they are going the volunteer route. But regardless, LO will only have so much runway left before they either start making money, or they are in some real trouble. APB allegedly hasnt made a profit in over 2 years, and our player count is abysmal. LO will need to boost player count and of course player spending dramatically, and quickly. Can you think of a better and or cheaper way to do that than by unbanning 17,000+ player accounts? Im not saying Mr. Scott was in any way misleading in his statements. In fact everything he said is undoubtedly true. But this is not his first rodeo. You can be sure he chose each of his words very carefully. And I think some of us players are reading more into those words than he originally intended out of our desperation to feel some hope for APB. I play APB daily, anywhere from 4 to 12 hours. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars on this game. Ive given away tens of millions of dollars in game to try to convince new players stay long enough to get the hang of our game. I want, just like all of you, for APB to succeed. I also care about the players. I know how much APB means to some of us, and I know how devastating it will be if LO doesnt pull through, if APB finally dies. Im simply trying to keep everyone's feet on the ground for now. To keep us focused. To make sure we all hold LO accountable for what theyve promised, for what theyve done, and for what they will do. I apologize if Im upsetting anyone, Im not trying to.

Thank you for explaining that. Makes sense.

But Matt never said anything about exactly what was wrong with how G1 handled bans, or even the number or percentage of bans that were false. Not to mention unbanning 17,000 accounts can only help LO increase the player base, and bring in money. Follow the money, as it were. That being said, Im sure we will still hear the same "false ban" stories when BE is here. They exist in all other BE games.

While I doubt they were clueless when they walked in, yes APB was in a sad state. And we certainly shouldn't hold them accountable for anything but what they've said and what they've promised.

Obviously I have no reason to distrust you or this info. But why doesn't the server know what buttons you are pushing? Honest question.

Thats actually a good point. I can confirm, would be mad.

Little Gamers First Orbit ?

We dont want it both ways. Aside from cheaters, I dont think anyone wanted LO to admit they have no real working anti cheat. It was just a dumb idea. LO screened the questions before hand. They decided which questions Kemp could and couldnt ask. Some questions were turned down, that one was not. They did not tell us "everything" they told us what they chose to tell us. Which was smart aside from this one topic.

All sources for that info are Goat like. There are no reputable sources for that idea. If you have some reputable proof, please DM me, I think we've derailed this convo enough.

This is true, but if they cannot handle players crying they bought the wrong freaking game lmfao. And regardless, a bad decision is a bad decision. Just because it was easier doesnt mean a thing.

I think what people are upset about is not that LO hasn't yet made the game cheat-free, but rather that by announcing to us all that FF is out of date, they dont trust it, and are having to manually evaluate every single ban, it has led to a surge in the number of cheaters in the game on a daily basis. Sort of a "thanks for making things worse" type of anger, not a "why havent you done anything yet?" anger.

According to the folks at Fairfight, this is not true. Its just something Epic Goat has been spreading around. The info is literally on their front page at gameblocks.

Once PunkBuster was removed, no cheat for APB could ever be "detected" as APB had no client sided anti cheat. Like any cheat site will tell you, undetected =/= you wont get caught or banned.