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Well thats kind of the thing. We dont know what a "lot" means. 1% (170+ false bans)? 10% (1,700+ false bans)? 50% (8,500+ false bans?) LO lacks even the support crew to handle 2,000 support tickets. Even after they started using a copy paste reply, they still have only gotten through hundreds since the acquisition. Matt himself said they were not prepared. There is absolutely no way they could go through 17,000+ bans individually to know who was or wasnt banned falsely. So I would guess that even Matt does not know the exact number of false bans. I just mean look at any game that runs BE. People still claim false ban almost all the time. Just like APB does now. I do not expect that to change once BE arrives. This was a good statement. I was both shocked and alarmed to hear it, as I think a lot of people were. But there is something you need to keep in mind... LO is a business, and no business can run at a loss forever. We can assume LO spent what was no small amount to acquire GamersFirst and all of it assets. They are running multiple development teams on multiple projects. They also appear to not have the money to hire GM's or forum moderation staff as they are going the volunteer route. But regardless, LO will only have so much runway left before they either start making money, or they are in some real trouble. APB allegedly hasnt made a profit in over 2 years, and our player count is abysmal. LO will need to boost player count and of course player spending dramatically, and quickly. Can you think of a better and or cheaper way to do that than by unbanning 17,000+ player accounts? Im not saying Mr. Scott was in any way misleading in his statements. In fact everything he said is undoubtedly true. But this is not his first rodeo. You can be sure he chose each of his words very carefully. And I think some of us players are reading more into those words than he originally intended out of our desperation to feel some hope for APB. I play APB daily, anywhere from 4 to 12 hours. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars on this game. Ive given away tens of millions of dollars in game to try to convince new players stay long enough to get the hang of our game. I want, just like all of you, for APB to succeed. I also care about the players. I know how much APB means to some of us, and I know how devastating it will be if LO doesnt pull through, if APB finally dies. Im simply trying to keep everyone's feet on the ground for now. To keep us focused. To make sure we all hold LO accountable for what theyve promised, for what theyve done, and for what they will do. I apologize if Im upsetting anyone, Im not trying to.

Thank you for explaining that. Makes sense.

But Matt never said anything about exactly what was wrong with how G1 handled bans, or even the number or percentage of bans that were false. Not to mention unbanning 17,000 accounts can only help LO increase the player base, and bring in money. Follow the money, as it were. That being said, Im sure we will still hear the same "false ban" stories when BE is here. They exist in all other BE games.

While I doubt they were clueless when they walked in, yes APB was in a sad state. And we certainly shouldn't hold them accountable for anything but what they've said and what they've promised.

Obviously I have no reason to distrust you or this info. But why doesn't the server know what buttons you are pushing? Honest question.

Thats actually a good point. I can confirm, would be mad.

Little Gamers First Orbit ?

We dont want it both ways. Aside from cheaters, I dont think anyone wanted LO to admit they have no real working anti cheat. It was just a dumb idea. LO screened the questions before hand. They decided which questions Kemp could and couldnt ask. Some questions were turned down, that one was not. They did not tell us "everything" they told us what they chose to tell us. Which was smart aside from this one topic.

All sources for that info are Goat like. There are no reputable sources for that idea. If you have some reputable proof, please DM me, I think we've derailed this convo enough.

This is true, but if they cannot handle players crying they bought the wrong freaking game lmfao. And regardless, a bad decision is a bad decision. Just because it was easier doesnt mean a thing.

I think what people are upset about is not that LO hasn't yet made the game cheat-free, but rather that by announcing to us all that FF is out of date, they dont trust it, and are having to manually evaluate every single ban, it has led to a surge in the number of cheaters in the game on a daily basis. Sort of a "thanks for making things worse" type of anger, not a "why havent you done anything yet?" anger.

According to the folks at Fairfight, this is not true. Its just something Epic Goat has been spreading around. The info is literally on their front page at gameblocks.

Once PunkBuster was removed, no cheat for APB could ever be "detected" as APB had no client sided anti cheat. Like any cheat site will tell you, undetected =/= you wont get caught or banned.

No I meant cuz you play in bronze, Ive been facing the same blatant hackers every day in silver since LO announced they basically dont have a functioning anti cheat. Also, other than giving us a new forum, Im not sure what else they have "done". I have no problems with LO, but at least where I come from actions earn trust, not words. That's all Im trying to say. But just to be clear, you are saying you know of players who have been banned for "cheats" since LO took over? Also, this thread isnt the application for GM / Mod

Cool thanks for checking that out!

So... people are getting banned or they arent? Im confused. Of course people get banned for many things. So you say people are getting banned, just not for cheating? Or something else? Trust is earned my friend. LO seems to understand this, you should too.

Wait people are getting banned even now in bronze district? And I don't even know LO, little early to expect trust, no?

I was once playing on an alt account with a bronze friend, got kicked from district, when I tried to rejoin again, still as a T, was told my threat was too high for that district beyond that I dunno though and iirc dont new characters on same account still start as T? its been a while so Im not sure

are they though?

Trainees can also have threat iirc. So if he has any other toons on that account, his T gets the same threat. And you can also be the only character on the account and be a T with threat.

GM's cannot ban anyone in any case. They can only report to actual LO staff.

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