Cooling Jacket & Improved Rifling

[ZoriaDunne 327]

Now that IR reduces your Firerate to give you some extra range, why don't you rework Cooling jacket so it doesn't worsen your base accuracy? It makes any weapon kinda unplayable.

[vsb 6170]

do we even play the same game? cj3 is useful on a good handful of weapons 

[Aeronaut 647]

9 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

do we even play the same game? cj3 is useful on a good handful of weapons 

how big are your hands

(relevant question to stay on topic)
what would you recommend the cj3 on?

[ZoriaDunne 327]

20 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

do we even play the same game? cj3 is useful on a good handful of weapons 

The only weapon I find it useful is HVR tbh.

[Psygo 15]

Obeya, JG, shredder, OCA, PMG, ALIG... don't remember more right now

oh yeah, HVR, NTEC if your play style is for it.

Edited September 24, 2018 by Psygo

[vsb 6170]

1 minute ago, Aeronaut said:

how big are your hands

(relevant question to stay on topic)
what would you recommend the cj3 on?

pretty much any cqc weapon (except shotguns and the pmg, not a big fan of cj3 on pmg)
snipers (except dmr av)
obeya (and obir since ir3 is eh now)
shaw
carbine (if ur fingers have down syndrome)
opgl 
nl9 

and osmaw :^)



 

[Lucidy 21]

49 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

pretty much any cqc weapon (except shotguns and the pmg, not a big fan of cj3 on pmg)
snipers (except dmr av)
obeya (and obir since ir3 is eh now)
shaw
carbine (if ur fingers have down syndrome)
opgl 
nl9 

and osmaw :^)



 

That uh, Carbine part is a little interesting to say the least.
Would argue cj on carbine is quite fundamental against people who only use pointman weapons.

[Hexerin 1140]

1 hour ago, TheKeanuReeves said:

rework Cooling jacket so it doesn't worsen your base accuracy

Literally not how the mod works, and it'd be nice if you people stopped spreading that misinformation.

[CookiePuss 5373]

2 minutes ago, Hexerin said:

1 hour ago, TheKeanuReeves said:

rework Cooling jacket so it doesn't worsen your base accuracy

Literally not how the mod works, and it'd be nice if you people stopped spreading that misinformation.

[Hexerin 1140]

16 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

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Minimum is not base. Minimum is the theoretical worst state the accuracy can be in, whereas base is the resting accuracy when unaffected by any factors (movement, jumping, firing, etc).

  Edited September 24, 2018 by Hexerin

[Keshi 436]

2 hours ago, BXNNXD said:

do we even play the same game? cj3 is useful on a good handful of weapons 

^

[vsb 6170]

1 hour ago, Lucidy said:

That uh, Carbine part is a little interesting to say the least.
Would argue cj on carbine is quite fundamental against people who only use pointman weapons.

tbh at this point there’s no reason not to use cooling jacket on the carbine, since rifling has been relegated to the trash heap

i still prefer no cooling jacket carbine tho

[foolish ninja 59]

CJ has a bigger downside than upsides.

[Lucidy 21]

1 hour ago, BXNNXD said:

tbh at this point there’s no reason not to use cooling jacket on the carbine, since rifling has been relegated to the trash heap

i still prefer no cooling jacket carbine tho

for me it really depends on the situation

so for example, in asylum I just use cj carbine. if we were talking missions against ntec users, I'd probably just use stock carbine to poke more from further distances

[ZoriaDunne 327]

6 hours ago, Psygo said:

Obeya, JG, shredder, OCA, PMG, ALIG... don't remember more right now

oh yeah, HVR, NTEC if your play style is for it.

Alig? CJ in Alig makes it miss almost every shoot over 30m.
That of my hit reg is f*cked up. Edited September 25, 2018 by TheKeanuReeves

[Acornie 490]

Cooling Jacket is fine how it is, there's certain guns that you wouldn't want CJ on, just like there's guns you don't want want IR on

6 hours ago, Psygo said:

Obeya, JG, shredder, OCA, PMG, ALIG... 

Dont use CJ on a ALIG >.>

[BlatMan 706]

Cooling jacket is good on everything that doesn't have a higher per shot modifier than it's shot modifier cap. The mod description is a bit misleading, it should specifically say which modifier it affects. The proper way to do it would be to display the changes on the weapon itself like it does on db.apbvault.net

14 hours ago, foolish ninja said:

CJ has a bigger downside than upsides.

It depends on the weapon and the capability of the user. Weapons like the ALIG and DMR perform worse, while the OSCAR and OBIR perform better because they will never reach the shot modifier cap. The Joker carbine works better if you don't spasm your entire mag.

The N-TEC had a much greater benefit when it had the curved bloom mechanic because you could get your burst shots out faster, without affecting the overall bloom per shot enough to hurt it within it's max damage range. Now it's not as useful.

Edited September 25, 2018 by MrsHappyPenguin

[LilyV3 323]

17 hours ago, Hexerin said:

Minimum is not base. Minimum is the theoretical worst state the accuracy can be in, whereas base is the resting accuracy when unaffected by any factors (movement, jumping, firing, etc).

 

*le sigh*

what game are you even playing?

[SpeedyCat 106]

But for OBIR the changes are verry useless. And for other burst weapons... thats fact.

Haha, for the Obir IR is shit, as same as CJ.

You Cant fire faster because the burst intervalls are limited.

 

[BlatMan 706]

1 hour ago, SpeedyCat said:

But for OBIR the changes are verry useless. And for other burst weapons... thats fact.

Haha, for the Obir IR is shit, as same as CJ.

You Cant fire faster because the burst intervalls are limited.

Unless this is a change in last weeks patch, CJ should still reduce the time needed between clicks. It's minimal, but enough to determine if your misclick shoots or not.


Eh, I'll test it out with a macro. Hopefully BE doesn't freak out. Edited September 25, 2018 by MrsHappyPenguin

[SpeedyCat 106]

Yes, but the Premodded armas shit like the Vostock is still broken.

If wish i never bought premodded stuff at my APB beginning in APB xD


 

[Haganu 104]

idk if im playing the same game as ya all but
i thought cooling jacket increases reticle bloom per shot

[EMilika 41]

20 hours ago, MrsHappyPenguin said:

Unless this is a change in last weeks patch, CJ should still reduce the time needed between clicks. It's minimal, but enough to determine if your misclick shoots or not.


Eh, I'll test it out with a macro. Hopefully BE doesn't freak out.

ima shootin my riffle like shaw.

[BlatMan 706]

23 hours ago, Haganu said:

idk if im playing the same game as ya all but
i thought cooling jacket increases reticle bloom per shot

Technically it does on some weapons, because they have less time to recover from bloom, but that's not how the mod works.

[BlatMan 706]

On 9/25/2018 at 11:00 AM, MrsHappyPenguin said:

Unless this is a change in last weeks patch, CJ should still reduce the time needed between clicks. It's minimal, but enough to determine if your misclick shoots or not.


Eh, I'll test it out with a macro. Hopefully BE doesn't freak out.

I tested the OSCAR and OBIR's max rate of fire with and without CJ3. Guess what? APB BROKE! The firerate became random, making it impossible to test. GG.

I'm NOT being sarcastic, The OSCAR and OBIR stopped firing consistently after using a macro on them. The single fire and full auto weapons still worked, so I think it's a bug. I can say this much, the stats on APBVault may not be accurate. 0.175 was too slow for the OSCAR. I remember a while back testing it and it was around 0.158, but I can't test it now because well, APB's broken. Edited September 27, 2018 by MrsHappyPenguin