PotatoeGirl 220 Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ShawLOL said: -Add FairFight with Battleye/EAC -Add 3 GMs to observe cheaters from the game. -Encrypt the Game files from modding. You just need EAC with all of its protections enabled. That will prevent client modding as well. I don't understand why they have decided to go back to battleye instead of integrating EAC properly. Edited May 2, 2021 by PotatoeGirl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrChan 337 Posted May 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, PotatoeGirl said: I don't understand why they have decided to go back to battleye instead of integrating EAC properly. I can't find the post on it now, but there were issues getting some of EAC's features to integrate into APB:R and function correctly. Once EAC's people deemed the issues insurmountable, LO & EAC couldn't agree a reduced fee for the reduced service. That's why they went back to BattlEye. EAC even without all the bells & whistles was still better than BattlEye though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MACKxBOLAN 432 Posted May 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, ShawLOL said: Block all high/gold rank players from bronze district. Hey Hey now. We used to have allot of High or Max ranks Legits that played bronze. Most left because of the lack of anticheat, population, and working guns. All of which drove out more people like me, cuz without pop, and solid hit regs or the hacking of hit regs or health there is only a couple of joker jobs that can be done. Dont really matter now, it used to matter if they dethreated but now there just as many hack in bronze as silver. GMs dont deal with hacking, dont have detection. Its like LO just won't accept or believe that many hacks exist, n they'd rather keep the few legits in Line, from Rocking the Boat. Cuz if they loose 3 or 4 legits its nothing to them, compared to banning the other 50 hackers in NA. If they ban them they would only have 4 or 5 legit players left, n that wont get them investors or put them in the tradable market Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5379 Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, MACKxBOLAN said: Cuz if they loose 3 or 4 legits its nothing to them, compared to banning the other 50 hackers in NA. If they ban them they would only have 4 or 5 legit players left I dunno who started this ridiculous idea, but I wish everyone would stop repeating it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cowhorseman 441 Posted May 2, 2021 4 hours ago, CookiePuss said: I dunno who started this ridiculous idea, but I wish everyone would stop repeating it. if kids in this game had more words in there vocabulary and better eye sight i think they would see there's atleast 4-5 hackers per a session and the rest are legit, they don't seem to understand in a game like this in this state you basically facing off with people who have played for many years or are on alts or know the map and mission lay out etc. but i guess it's easier to cry hacker give up tk your team ruin a mission and make more people quit then to shut up and learn what your doing and figuring out if they are hacking or not. oh well sad world 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShawLOL 50 Posted May 2, 2021 4 hours ago, PotatoeGirl said: You just need EAC with all of its protections enabled. That will prevent client modding as well. I don't understand why they have decided to go back to battleye instead of integrating EAC properly. When EAC was active on apb reloaded, it wasn't prevent from modding the game files. It was even worse than the current anti-cheat (Only in my opnion): I think Battleye + Fairfight would do better job. But GMs are still needed to observe the real hackers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MonkaS 215 Posted May 2, 2021 Anyone who thinks eac is better than battleye has ZERO understanding of how they function. They are practically the same both have had usermode(no drivers/kernal) exploits both use something called 'heart beat' which just means the battleye/eac server communicates with the client every so often to make sure battleye/eac is still running, these packets can be emulated though(not sure if this still works don't think it does). They are both equally useful for taking out script kiddies and lazy cheaters but they won't touch anyone with even a little cursory knowledge or understanding of they're functioning which is easily obtainable public knowledge since every update is reversed engineered within a few days by some no life. The only way to combat cheaters/hackers properly is to cover as much ground as possible ie server-sided anti-cheat like fairfight + client-sided(battleye) + fairly active gm's with the ability to track suspect players (not saying ban but investigate and compile evidence) [since spectating doesn't follow the players aim give them something like what goat had called aim-lazer which tracks there aiming]. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5379 Posted May 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, MonkaS said: Anyone who thinks eac is better than battleye has been... ...paying attention to their effects on cheaters in APB specifically. That is, APB was never more cheat free in its entire history than when we had EAC. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JunoSuzuki 99 Posted May 3, 2021 I wonder if they are still there right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gateron 267 Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, ShawLOL said: When EAC was active on apb reloaded, it wasn't prevent from modding the game files. It was even worse than the current anti-cheat (Only in my opnion): I think Battleye + Fairfight would do better job. But GMs are still needed to observe the real hackers. Fairfight didn't even work it was all manual bans so i don't know why you want fairfight it fucking sucks there is a reason a lot of games switched away from fairfight. Also BE doesn't prevent modding the gamefiles so i don't see the point in saying that EAC is worse then BE. BE is worse then EAC. EAC at least did stop most of the cheats while BE gets bypassed instant on day one. Edited May 3, 2021 by Gateron 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShawLOL 50 Posted May 3, 2021 12 hours ago, Gateron said: Fairfight didn't even work it was all manual bans so i don't know why you want fairfight it fucking sucks there is a reason a lot of games switched away from fairfight. Also BE doesn't prevent modding the gamefiles so i don't see the point in saying that EAC is worse then BE. BE is worse then EAC. EAC at least did stop most of the cheats while BE gets bypassed instant on day one. Quote Fairfight didn't even work it was all manual bans All manual ban? Where did you get that information from? Quote Also BE doesn't prevent modding the gamefiles I never said battleye should protect the game files. Littel Orbit have to encreypt their game files from modding. Not hard to do. Quote EAC at least did stop most of the cheats while BE gets bypassed instant on day one. In my point of view are both easy to bypass. Just google for information how to bypass an anti-cheat isn't that hard. That's the reason to add a Server Side Anti-Cheat like FairFight as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gateron 267 Posted May 3, 2021 6 hours ago, ShawLOL said: All manual ban? Where did you get that information from? I never said battleye should protect the game files. Littel Orbit have to encreypt their game files from modding. Not hard to do. In my point of view are both easy to bypass. Just google for information how to bypass an anti-cheat isn't that hard. That's the reason to add a Server Side Anti-Cheat like FairFight as well. Bro Matt scot himself said that the Fairfight gives false positives and tiggs was putting manual bans left and right but, you probably don't even know who that is since you registered in 2020. And EAC did in fact stop most cheats expect the private ones that only has a few players running it. The only thing you saw was apes with Trigger bot running around since yes EAC didn't support server side anti cheat but, even then i rather fight people with trigger bot then blatant WH and Aimbot. EAC times was the best times this game had. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cr0 328 Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) On 5/1/2021 at 8:50 PM, MonkaS said: No one is using an ai or machine learning cheat in apb(only ones I know of were for fortnite and rainbow six siege which both ran like a$$). OH.. so I guess what you don't know about doesn't exist. You can easily search and find plenty of info on it that shows you are wrong about that. Edited May 4, 2021 by Cr0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MonkaS 215 Posted May 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Cr0 said: OH.. so I guess what you don't know about doesn't exist. You can easily search and find plenty of info on it that shows you are wrong about that. dm me the info than I highly doubt this is the case as someone who regularly checks cheater discords and forums and who talks to the coders they're prob just using some cr@p color based or img search aimbot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cr0 328 Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MonkaS said: dm me the info than I highly doubt this is the case as someone who regularly checks cheater discords and forums and who talks to the coders they're prob just using some cr@p color based or img search aimbot. I told LO about a couple of them it. That's the only one I'm gonna tell. And let me tell you color based stuff can be very good. I'm an expert on those. Edited May 4, 2021 by Cr0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MonkaS 215 Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Cr0 said: I told LO about a couple of them it. That's the only one I'm gonna tell. And let me tell you color based stuff can be very good. I'm an expert on those. no they aren't good they are for the lazy coder same thing with external cheats internal is always better. also I said dm me. Edited May 4, 2021 by MonkaS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PotatoeGirl 220 Posted May 4, 2021 On 5/2/2021 at 9:08 PM, ShawLOL said: When EAC was active on apb reloaded, it wasn't prevent from modding the game files. It was even worse than the current anti-cheat Because it wasn't fully utilized. I think they didn't enable it just because of being scared losing all the playerbase that uses modded clients (which is basically everyone if we count the advanced launcher) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cr0 328 Posted May 4, 2021 2 hours ago, MonkaS said: no they aren't good they are for the lazy coder same thing with external cheats internal is always better. also I said dm me. How do you know? No I won't DM you (or anyone else) the links to those, sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlatMan 712 Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) On 5/2/2021 at 9:20 AM, PotatoeGirl said: You just need EAC with all of its protections enabled. That will prevent client modding as well. I don't understand why they have decided to go back to battleye instead of integrating EAC properly. Blocking client modding is a feature built into the game, but it's not enabled for most files. G1 enabled it on most vehicle related upk files when they started encrypting them. You don't need a 3rd party anticheat to do it. Innova / 4Game, the Russian version, blocked custom shaders with it. My guesses are it puts too much strain on the servers and LO don't have enough staff to work on it. It could have been hard coded per file for all I know. Edited May 5, 2021 by SquirrelFace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MonkaS 215 Posted May 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Cr0 said: How do you know? No I won't DM you (or anyone else) the links to those, sorry. than I choose to not believe you. how would I know that you made a crappy color/image search aimbot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reprimand 98 Posted May 5, 2021 I'm genuinely not good at telling when people are hacking in this game, does anyone have any video evidence or examples I can see so I can learn what types there are and how to detect it please? Thank you in advance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsb 6171 Posted May 5, 2021 48 minutes ago, Reprimand said: I'm genuinely not good at telling when people are hacking in this game, does anyone have any video evidence or examples I can see so I can learn what types there are and how to detect it please? Thank you in advance. better off just not bothering, i might be a little biased but i've never seen the point in wasting my own brain power and game time wondering who is cheating and who isn't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cyberlicious 31 Posted May 7, 2021 On 4/30/2021 at 4:06 PM, Jinsen said: My question is, Why does it seem lower tier players always complain about cheats? Because the bronze districts are the most populated... more population... more bullshoot. Come on now... the game is circling the commode rn... it's literal abandonware... just read the forum comments where people are saying... "why not?" There's your answer. Anything goes when there's zero moderation and a crappy anticheat on a F2P game. LO doesn't care... and most players (former and current) don't either... Dead Game.... dead with no hope of revival. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5379 Posted May 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Cyberlicious said: Dead Game.... dead with no hope of revival. At least the forums are still here, amirite? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reprimand 98 Posted May 8, 2021 my bad I'll log off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites