The state of bronze district, and why this game will never succeed

[Hexerin 1140]

 

This should never happen. Full premade gold groups should never be seen in bronze, period. It's a flagrant example of cheating, period.

 

This only happens because Little Orbit refuses to do their job.

 

The ingame report feature doesn't actually go anywhere, and never has (including back in FairFight days). Trying to contact Little Orbit via support desk or DMs to staff also does nothing, they'll claim "we'll look into it" but ultimately they just toss the reports in a bin. This is blatantly obvious to anyone who pays even the slightest attention.

 

The same people are still doing this shit, a year and a half later despite numerous reports. It's absolutely disgusting.

 

Even to this day you still see legitimately new players join, but then immediately leave because of this. Unless Little Orbit starts moderating ingame behaviour, this game will never succeed. The engine upgrade (lol) isn't a magic bullet that'll fix all problems like you people keep thinking. The issues of this game run far deeper, the engine is a laughable surface issue.

 

For those that might be wondering. They were running NTEC, Carbine, SHAW, and a Volcano. All with the meta mods etc. From past matches, I know they also run Ogres and the like as well.

[Fortune Runner 796]

its one thing for someone to randomly go gold in bronze who does not normally go gold

its a whole different story for a group of golds who clearly do not belong there and had to detheat to do so.

[NotZombieBiscuit 3146]

Why are you in bronze?

[Darkzero3802 611]

20 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

its one thing for someone to randomly go gold in bronze who does not normally go gold

its a whole different story for a group of golds who clearly do not belong there and had to detheat to do so.

The issue is that most golds you see in bronze dethreated to get there and they continuously do it despite it being against the TOS and suspendable. Also is that the GM staff doesnt do anything to prevent this and still turns a blind eye to it. LO needs to actually start making examples if they want this to stop thats the only way.

[Haganu 104]

The vast majority of golds in bronze end up dethreating at the end of the day, despite it being clearly against the TOS. The Engine Upgrade is a fundamental change needed before better matchmaking can be implemented, but that's not an excuse to further do nothing against the current situation.

 

It's ridiculous how obvious it is to see who is dethreating and who isn't, so a pair of eyes monitoring bronze district would not be much of a wasted effort. Well, it wouldn't have been a couple years ago, and really LO should've tackled this as soon as they got used to how things go around here. 

 

At the same time, I feel like people with meta gear like 3 slot HVRs, NTECs, car surfing rocket launchers and what have you, also do not belong in a district.

[LilyRain 674]

Question is: Can GMs actually see details of ongoing matches to monitor and take action in real-time?

[CookiePuss 5378]

This post is incredibly ironic. 

 

Well played Hex. 

[Hexerin 1140]

35 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

Question is: Can GMs actually see details of ongoing matches to monitor and take action in real-time?

Yes, they have several tools that can allow them to monitor player activity. Their strongest tool is Devlar.

 

 

They also have the typical things like invisibility toggle, follow cam, etc. If they actually cared, there's nothing stopping them from very easily tracking these issues.

 

Edited October 17, 2019 by Hexerin

[LilyRain 674]

3 minutes ago, Hexerin said:

Yes, they have several tools that can allow them to monitor player activity. Their strongest tool is Devlar.

 

[Aeronaut 647]

12 minutes ago, Hexerin said:

Yes, they have several tools that can allow them to monitor player activity.

 

Their strongest tool is Devlar.

 

wait no someone help me think about this

 

this don't add up chief

[Fortune Runner 796]

1 hour ago, Darkzero3802 said:

Also is that the GM staff doesnt do anything to prevent this and still turns a blind eye to it

other than gms reporting to higher ups i dont know what they can do.

 

1 hour ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:

Why are you in bronze?

exactly my question as well since its Hexerin

 

1 hour ago, Darkzero3802 said:

LO needs to actually start making examples if they want this to stop thats the only way.

you do realize that as a rough estimate that would be up to  25% of the population dethreating ?

 

 

1 hour ago, Haganu said:

The vast majority of golds in bronze end up dethreating at the end of the day, despite it being clearly against the TOS. The Engine Upgrade is a fundamental change needed before better matchmaking can be implemented

true however ....

 

1 hour ago, Haganu said:

but that's not an excuse to further do nothing against the current situation.

as i pointed out in this post it may be estimated up to 25% of the population are dethreaters

while some blatantly like to break ToS some may do it by being forced to by not being able to fight a fair match against golds in silver district.

 

how do you really punish in either case without breaking APB and killing it off?

Little Orbit cant really do much without endangering APB right now on this.

I don't like it either but without the engine upgrade there is no real solution that does not kill APB at this time

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, IROCkiller said:

just another quality Hexerin thread

what happened to your sig?

[Hexerin 1140]

16 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

-snip-

What you fail to realize, is that by making an example or two of the most serious offenders, most of the rest will just stop of their own volition. Most dethreaters are only dethreating because they know they'll suffer no repercussions for it. This was made very apparent by the sudden and extreme dropoff of dethreating when Little Orbit originally took over the game. They were erring on the side of caution, not sure whether or not Little Orbit would take action. After a year of Little Orbit proving that they don't care, dethreating is now at an all-time peak.

[CookiePuss 5378]

Imagine being something like an 8 year veteran of the game, bragging on the forums how you find the golds in silver district easy to fight, having admitted just days ago on these very forums that you purposely manipulate your threat in order to stay silver so you can play in bronze district, then deciding to make a thread complaining about golds in bronze.

 

This is the most impressive example of self delusion Ive ever seen.

 

You should be ashamed of yourself Hexerin.

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2019 by CookiePuss

[vsb 6171]

32 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

Imagine being something like an 8 year veteran of the game, bragging on the forums how you find the golds in silver district easy to fight, having admitted just days ago on these very forums that you purposely manipulate your threat in order to stay silver so you can play in bronze district, then deciding to make a thread complaining about golds in bronze.

no but his rank icon is silver so it’s ok :^)

[Acornie 490]

Thank you for admitting to being as scummy as the people you are complaining about. GM intervention is not going to solve this because people keep justifying their repugnant behavior (you for example, will probably say "at least I'm not a tryhard as those other dethreaters"), even the people not in doing these things encourage others to; "you're not really gold" or "you're a silver, get the fuck out of this dist". This thread ain't gonna help anything. At least don't be part of the problem.

[Sadira 292]

You're a gold in bronze too, though. 

[Fortune Runner 796]

1 hour ago, Darkzero3802 said:

Its problems like this as to why the pop is at an all time low. An issue like this doesnt fix overnight. LO needs to get into gear before, during and after the engine upgrade and when you have ppl losing thousand of dollars worth of stuff they will stop.

exactly why the engine upgrade and phasing are crucial , then advertizing to get new blood into APB

after that take the gloves off

[ok 419]

While we're at it, should a GM issue you a ban aswell ?

[CookiePuss 5378]

8 minutes ago, -Dan- said:

While we're at it, should a GM issue you a ban aswell ?

[Darkzero3802 611]

39 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

exactly why the engine upgrade and phasing are crucial , then advertizing to get new blood into APB

after that take the gloves off

And how will that solve word of mouth that the APB community is trash? The gloves need to come off now so that way when all this new stuff comes out its more enticing for new players to play.

[CookiePuss 5378]

9 minutes ago, Darkzero3802 said:

And how will that solve word of mouth that the APB community is trash? The gloves need to come off now so that way when all this new stuff comes out its more enticing for new players to play.

Don't you also play in bronze?

 

What is it with the hypocrisy today?

[Blackace-RD 35]

3 hours ago, Hexerin said:

Their strongest tool is Devlar.

AKA plot armor

[Fortune Runner 796]

25 minutes ago, Darkzero3802 said:

And how will that solve word of mouth that the APB community is trash? The gloves need to come off now so that way when all this new stuff comes out its more enticing for new players to play.

that will solve nothing because of how we have a small community left and its roughly 500 to 800 lately which means 25% of that is 150 to 200 people gone.

there wouldn't be anyone to play and you would give APB a death sentence in doing so.

i sincerely hope the engine upgrade and phasing can happen soon then this can be solved that much quicker without killing what we have left.

 

also the rumors of APB is mostly among what community we have left as well as those who quit. many have never heard of APB since its been around a decade now.

upgrading means we can get new players and what old players think would be irrelevant due to a by gone era from upgrading.

 

you don't talk constantly about a muscle car with a bad engine if it has a new engine. you talk about the new engine instead. any tool jockey does that.

 

be patient. rushing will only worsen matters. SPCT has been testing and hopefully those bugs can be fixed and then a new engine will be close to live finally

[Doom32 23]

unfortunately for you guys, majority of the "small" population dethreats, and because banning half the population is a bad idea...

[DeadPixels 253]

Maybe the best thing would be if they locked bronze only for new players that have less than 200h in the game across all characters (if you deleate a characters the time should still count), that way even if you dethreat and are silver or even bronze you still wouldn't be able to join bronze districts, except of course if you make a completly new account. Making a new account and losing all weapons, modifications, money....would probably be a no go for most players, this would make bronze districts a friendlier envirement for all the players who just started playing the game