Cheating

[yood 345]

On 12/19/2018 at 10:19 PM, Stunny said:

 

 

to stop cheater accusations just ban sock puppets or golds that go to bronze and 'voila' no more "cheater" problem. it's just an illusion

[Jazeker 1082]

On 12/28/2018 at 6:00 PM, PACwoMAN said:

So many “pro” players these days... I’ll prefer epic goat at least he was funny.

Yeah ain't that the truth.

 

Battleye is such a joke, and not just on APB - any game with Battleye is; declaring themselves to be the 'gold standard of anti-cheat' backfired quite a bit on them - with them getting a lot of attention from the cheat creator scene. Cheaters can literally download free stuff against their 'gold-standard' program on almost any supported game these days. You can still claim it's 'better than nothing' in defense, and polish a turd while you're at it. Battleye had a good start but got hacked. Should be used as additional software. Gold standard. Yeah sell us a bridge as well.

[CookiePuss 5382]

4 minutes ago, Jazeker said:

Yeah ain't that the truth.

 

Battleye is such a joke, and not just on APB - any game with Battleye is; declaring themselves to be the 'gold standard of anti-cheat' backfired quite a bit on them - with them getting a lot of attention from the cheat creator scene. Cheaters can literally download free stuff against their 'gold-standard' program on almost any supported game these days. You can still claim it's 'better than nothing' in defense, and polish a turd while you're at it. Battleye had a good start but got hacked. Should be used as additional software. Gold standard. Yeah sell us a bridge as well.

Another "I don't actually know anything about this but that won't stop me" post... Add it to the pile. 

 

[Saxtus 497]

18 hours ago, Jazeker said:

Yeah ain't that the truth.

 

Battleye is such a joke, and not just on APB - any game with Battleye is; declaring themselves to be the 'gold standard of anti-cheat' backfired quite a bit on them - with them getting a lot of attention from the cheat creator scene. Cheaters can literally download free stuff against their 'gold-standard' program on almost any supported game these days. You can still claim it's 'better than nothing' in defense, and polish a turd while you're at it. Battleye had a good start but got hacked. Should be used as additional software. Gold standard. Yeah sell us a bridge as well.

Please do tell us how you would do it better, we are ready to learn.

[Monolillity 45]

Imagine having been cheater buddies since like, forever, and still trolling the APB forum about it on 2019.

 

LO could start removing some cheaters, togglers. trigger and what have we. Yes, some will cry about losing their Armas purchases. Yes, some will re-roll. Remove them again. Stop being lazy about cheaters. Could be a start. Especially when new cheats get publicly released, which unfortunately still does happen, for some weird reason.... hey those creators might just be playing here, on no, that must be another conspiracy, right.

 

But seeing that half of the SPCT team likes to troll, attack silvers and be all-round toxic on the cheater subject and this forum, we probably will see cheaters on gm-alts before we see a better effort against the nonsense going on in-game. Which is daunting. The hope fair players and silvers must cling on to for now is a better matchmaking, which we get vague information about... and it's not high profile in the recent update news. So expect more complaint, if it doesn't get better. Seems fair.

 

Sincerely,

Monolillity

 

 

such english

[PACwoMAN 37]

Google knows everything.

 

Exploits:

RunBE, (an exploit in BattlEye which bypasses the protection it places on the game process to prevent ReadProcessMemory, WriteProcessMemory, and injectors.) Detected, but the method still works. The author manipulated the ObRegisterCallback through a driver, through placing an SSDT hook on the function, manipulating the callback table or other methods.

 

NoEye - BE Rootkit Bypass

HLeaker

FuckBattlEye (C# port of HLeaker)

 

Gold standard in action 

[Fortune Runner 796]

1 hour ago, Monolillity said:

Imagine having been cheater buddies since like, forever, and still trolling the APB forum about it on 2019.

......... so obscure and assuming

 

1 hour ago, Monolillity said:

LO could start removing some cheaters, togglers. trigger and what have we. Yes, some will cry about losing their Armas purchases. Yes, some will re-roll. Remove them again. Stop being lazy about cheaters. Could be a start. Especially when new cheats get publicly released, which unfortunately still does happen, for some weird reason....

Little orbit has been banning though though......

 

1 hour ago, Monolillity said:

hey those creators might just be playing here, on no, that must be another conspiracy, right. 

It's already known they make junk accounts to test their cheats. However the only way to "stop cheating" has to do with the morality of those getting the cheats , not the ones the cheats are being used on whih in this case is Little Orbit and the APB community. I don't want to blame victims but blame the ones who do this.

 

1 hour ago, Monolillity said:

But seeing that half of the SPCT team likes to troll, attack silvers and be all-round toxic on the cheater subject and this forum

Technically it is your opinion that SPCT members are toxic. From a personal view I get more flak fro them than you do , yet amazingly enough I do not see them as toxic....hmmm go figure.

Do they troll ,yes but they have tried to keep it in fun and honesty rather than cruelty and deceit.

As for cheaters being mentioned by the SPCT team in you rpost here , I have only seen SPCT say that we have not seen many on Jericho server , which I agree to that since I have only personally witnessed one blatant cheater since BattleEye and they have not been back since then. *shrugs*

 

1 hour ago, Monolillity said:

we probably will see cheaters on gm-alts before we see a better effort against the nonsense going on in-game. Which is daunting.

That is an opinionated assumption based on no facts at all....

 

1 hour ago, Monolillity said:

The hope fair players and silvers must cling on to for now is a better matchmaking, which we get vague information about... and it's not high profile in the recent update news

I do not believe you kept up with the news properly  based off of this part of your post.

 

While most talk lately was content updates we asked for and to delay the engine in order to do so , it was clearly mentioned on many occasions by Little Orbit that matchmaking would be worked on as well after the Engine Upgrade , which is nearly complete and already would of been if we were not desperate for something new after years of neglect under G1.

 

Little Orbit has been very forthcoming on the tasks they are doing so I really see no validity to the claim of they are not .

1 hour ago, Monolillity said:

So expect more complaint, if it doesn't get better. Seems fair.

Little Orbit has already said they wish to hear from players and to voice concerns so *shrugs* go ahead.

[NikkiCasinoKnows 44]

The population of APB is now soooo low. The number of cheaters in this game, the continuing development of cheats for this game, the active rmt market, that's those players. Nobody else. As always, even our newest officials downplay this, prefer to closet it. Just like in the past, the same volunteers get 'elected' as community representatives. Toxic behavior, cheat denying, even verbally attacking people who talk about the community problems which always have been present here. The only constant this game has always seen is this rotten part of the community. They are still here. Cheating, cheat development, exploiting, selling, all still a problem. There is almost nobody else left. And the few which raise their voice? Well, as a stirred pack of dogs they get encountered on the forum or in the game. The pop is so low. The active people so limited. One could would almost become inclined to believe that the people who are still doing this are just allowed to do this, the past repeating with the old famously notorious g1 clans we had, which were leftovers of the old problematic clans RTW fought with. Still trying covert tactics which a minimal population. Absolutely genius.

[Fortune Runner 796]

2 hours ago, NikkiCasinoKnows said:

There is almost nobody else left.

Saying that  most of APB is botters is beyond a stretch. It is not even close to being accurate.

 

While I can understand people are concerned with cheating , most has turned up to being lag as well as the fact many of the ones claiming there's cheaters , are in fact playing with inferior computers on the lowest settings.

I've seen plenty of people who are golds that I can kill , but in the end they are golds for a few reasons.

mostly it  is they simply play better than I do and another is they have a better computer than I do because of upgraded parts.

 

They get 120 fps for a reason. I used to play with 5 to 10 fps until my new computer and graphics card I installed as well.

Now I get 60 fps like a majority seem to get and can play much better because of it.

It makes that huge of a difference. i didn't cheat to get better but I did upgrade my computer to a new one and then installed a graphics card and now I can all around play better.

 

While it is true that no anti cheat catches 100% it is also true that BattleEye catches a lot more than none.

If you come from other shooting games to APB they are apples and oranges.....they are different and that can throw people off on how to play APB correctly.

 

Lately a few people who did not like that I said that  "I have not seen any since that one single blatant cheater months ago on Jericho" have suggested how they do fine at cs games like cs:go which suggests they don't have the skill amplitude that  APB demands from veteran players.

Lets face it some of those games take no skill at all to play.

I've played APB for years and it does take skill as well as strategy and without it , those players will struggle.

[CookiePuss 5382]

14 hours ago, PACwoMAN said:

Google knows everything.

 

Exploits:

RunBE, (an exploit in BattlEye which bypasses the protection it places on the game process to prevent ReadProcessMemory, WriteProcessMemory, and injectors.) Detected, but the method still works. The author manipulated the ObRegisterCallback through a driver, through placing an SSDT hook on the function, manipulating the callback table or other methods.

 

NoEye - BE Rootkit Bypass

HLeaker

FuckBattlEye (C# port of HLeaker)

 

Gold standard in action 

I wonder how many will reimburse you if banned?

 

Tell you what, why don't you pick one, set yourself up with a cheat, and see how long you can go without being banned... If you can log in at all. 

48 minutes ago, LoveForMatt said:

Their miserable lives been dedicated to ruin the game.

But then they have their friends spitting that we do not have that many cheaters, plenty of cheap explanations, "you are not skilled enough and i play since rtw" (the most common), i barely see any cheater because i am skilled etc. etc.

 

 

Doesn't it seem odd to you that there seems to be direct correlation between a given player's skill and the number of cheaters they believe to be present?

 

(Again can only comment on Jericho, I haven't been on Citadel in months)

 

[TheJellyGoo 343]

Anyone remembering my point from the SPCT thread?

On 12/15/2018 at 11:27 PM, TheJellyGoo said:

[...]

As Matt said there is no community interaction required and it shouldn't even be a position of representing LO which in itself is already a contradiction with how the program is presented.

Can't really have one without the other.

It's already happening, I member...

[PACwoMAN 37]

26 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

I wonder how many will reimburse you if banned?

 

Tell you what, why don't you pick one, set yourself up with a cheat, and see how long you can go without being banned... If you can log in at all.

 

Why should I while I don’t like it because it’s boring? Devs/SPCT should do it better. On the “known cheats site” APB have “updating” status right now. This means all those cheaters are in social or playing bad till cheats will be updated.

[CookiePuss 5382]

3 minutes ago, PACwoMAN said:

Why should I while I don’t like it because it’s boring? Devs/SPCT should do it better. On the “known cheats site” APB have “updating” status right now. This means all those cheaters are in social or playing bad till cheats will be updated.

Well we aren't the ones claiming that these programs actually work.

 

Also, "updating" just means that they cannot get past BattlEye. Its the same as saying "No working cheat currently available".

They have said this since BE launched.

 

[DeepLearningSuperSampling 16]

I got what you might call a 'B' (or even 'C", lol) brand for a gaming-setup. Keyboard, mouse, and Battleye is blocking the driver for this brand.

 

Obviously contacted Battleye about it before, explaining what I have, linking the website of the reseller, etc. Their answer? Well, their answer came down to this; buy the 'A' brand gaming-setup and you'll be fine.

 

We allow our partners? That's how the software decides? Well that's some comedy gold right there!

 

Btw, yes, still have the setup. It's fine and cheap, however... can't use it in APB. Still cheaters in APB. Add it to the pile lol.

[Fortune Runner 796]

Ok this is enough of the accusations.

First I see a typical cheating post and it was quite civil and the expressed concerns which were seeming valid enough to discuss.

 

Now I'm seeing accusations of "everyone is cheating and protecting them"  when its we ourselves who wanted a better anti cheat to begin with.,

A few people on this thread claiming "cheaters everywhere" are the same ones who talk the exact opposite to attack us for defending APB with BattleEye as well

as mentioned that they had low threat and rank along with an unsuitable knowledge of APB and its programming in general.

 

Makes me really wonder about you guys claiming cheaters everywhere.

For the record just because I don't agree with you does not give you the right to accuse me of cheating.

If you have nothing valid to show it does not give you the right to hackusate people.

 

I'm a silver and if i was cheating and/or hung out with anyone cheating two things would of already happened.

1.  I would of been banned a long time ago long before Little Orbit because the cheaters back then did in fact get caught

   As those of you claiming "cheaters everywhere" mentioned , they get banned then make a new account.

 

2. I would be gold and wouldn't be borderline for gold , I would absolutely be gold especially with how I don't know how to go easy and give every match my all.

    I play both bronze and silver , and break even on the scores. I don't do good enough to get gold normally. And some of you on this thread claiming  "cheaters everywhere" already mocked me in game for that.

 

Some of you who are claiming cheaters everywhere are bronzes and silvers.  Others just like being rude and  trolling when they themselves have questionable morality issues and this time are stirring up toxic behavior claiming there's "cheaters everywhere" because they enjoy trolling.

 

Sure I play on Jericho and have stated plenty of times about that as well as how we don't see them on Jericho. I also stated plenty of times on the forums how I can not speak for citadel since I don't have a character slot to play there with and how I plan on buying one so that I can play there.

 

But that doesn't give anyone the right to start accusing saying that those of us who say we don't see the on Jericho are helping the cheaters or are cheaters ourselves.

That itself is toxic behavior with intent to do harm to the community and it needs to stop.

 

No anti cheat stops 100% and if you happen to run into a cheater the  /report function works now.

An easy way to use report is to open the team roster of your team and opponents , then click t whisper them , and then change the /w to /report and no matter what characters are in their names ( even a iiliilil name) it will then get reported for Little Orbit to review.

 

If you're not gold and get dominated , keep practicing and try again.

if you suspect someone use the /report to have staff check them out.

But please refrain from intentionally causing toxicity on the forums.

[PACwoMAN 37]

People should understand that we have no average players base. When you play you just do it against nerds, alts (no updates so ppl making another character over and over again) and re-rolls. Online in this game is so small that  even one stupid cheater can meet you few times for an hour. This means even the few cheaters are annoying because you can’t change the district to another with that threat segregation and low pop.

 

Since we have only two playable copies of FC where’s one crouch shotgunner (asylum) and one autofiring at red targets scout/obeya user (Baylan) I see no way to reach first place in it because I’m not so much nerdy and playing only two hours a day since 1.6.

[Jazeker 1082]

Wait, "comedy gold"? As in comedy gold standard? Hah, I like that. That is funny.

Ugh no quote; @DLSS (like, omg, rtx is so bad)

[Lubnatsi 14]

I mean some of them are blatant.

[ExpectoPatronum 22]

I don't agree with permanent bans at all as those never fixed anything. I'm not claiming to be an expert on all this but here's my view;

 

- For blatant hackers I'd want something like a 24 hours block on first proof, 48 hours on second proof and then a repeating 120 hours of blocking for any new proof. Will this scare blatant hackers? Not at all and neither will permanent bans, hardware id bans, IP-address bans or any bans what so ever for that matter. They can and will circumvent any of these bans, not excluding my blocking suggestion. The only thing you want to do here is giving these people a strong message; your behavior is wrong and we will remove you from this game. Therefor this 24-120 hours of blocking 'system' has to decide swift and relentless - which you can do with blatant hackers. Nobody will ever be permanent banned, in fact, besides not being able to play the game without creating an alternative account, the worst that could happen would be something like; losing premium time, or, missing out on an event on the account in question for being blatant. This is a fine balance between punishment and losing items as long as the system decides swift and relentless.

 

- Well that covers blatant hackers. What about players which try to hide their hacks? Now, I'm not condoning cheating. I do not like it I don't even understand the idea of fun behind it. However, if there are paying customers on your game which just love to hack and pretend, I'd let them. What? Yes. If people enjoy what they are doing they will be more willing to spend. No catch? There is one catch; your game will also have people, like me, who do not enjoy hacking. Consequently we do not like to play against hackers. Do I want to win every match? Heck no. What fun would that be and how could I ever improve? Do I never want to meet a hacker? Impossible. So what gives? The answer to this old question is simply looking at the bell curve skill rating of people and match them up against opponents which are compatible with their bell curve. What this means: the whole population is a bell curve of skill. The general skill will always be the largest group. The high and and low and will always be the lowest group. Match individuals while creating a group, or a preset group, against opponents compatible with their bell curve. For people who can't visualize this; yes, in an unfortunate match-up you, an average player, could still be playing against a hacker, but, a very skilled player would also on your side of the match. And yes, in a very fortunate macth-up for a hacker he / she could be playing against quite skilled opponents which do not hack at all. And in a very fortunate match-up these same quite skilled players which do not hack could be matched against very average normal players. This is about the bell curve of skill, all players, you as an individual and your pre-made group; you will get the full spectrum of matches, from hard to normal to easy. So what the heck does this do then anyway?!? Why have anything like this at all?!!

 

We were talking about hackers. Even the hacker population has a bell curve if you look at their skill. Just like that group of actual new players, those new fresh players this game definitely needs. No not re-rolls, new fresh people. What this system does is the following: you are allowed to be new, you are allowed to be godlike, you are allowed to grow and drop in skill towards any point between these two extremes, like every normal person would be able to. But, looking at your whole history, this so called bell curve of skill you have, isn't the same as de-threating and exploiting the bronze/silver/gold ranking system now. If you play good, even a fraction of one match, on a fresh new account, this is known data and you will have a better rating (last time I'm going to say bell curve) than those actual new fresh people we all need. And they need to grow, become average, maybe even become good, heck let some even become godlike in the end, reaching the upper ends of our community.

 

Basically, basically, it means you and everyone will have easy, hard and normal matches and the harder you push to be godlike the harder it will become to maintain that. I'd even favor (new / adjusted) visual skill-ranks for this, as it should be in any competitive game, sport or event you can think of.  And yes to make everyone enjoy their progress I'd say - give the top 5% something as previously suggested, like the diamond skill rating, visually. Maybe on leader boards? And just as important; an exploiter would have to re-roll after every match if they wanted to harass this game out of new people, which will happen, but, not only they very obvious, they cannot push their instant re-roll harassment without getting a swift and relentless 24-120 hours block leaving them to create their next re-roll and their harassment even more useless. And remember the same applies to people trying to blatantly hack their way into a high skill rating. That's what we started with and based this whole idea on.

 

- Oof, oh yes, normal players. Well we actually covered them already as nobody is getting a special treatment here; play your game, you will have a skill pattern (almost said the curve word again), and you will have the full experience as well; easy, hard and normal matches which will develop along with you and the harder you push to be godlike the harder it will become to maintain that. Visual rank skills, leader boards, same stakes, same game, but not this completely screwed fakegreen / bronzegold / silvergold  / realgold  "who cares about rank 1-XYZ" matchmaking anymore, which has been exploited for years now. This part is broken. Don't fix what isn't broken in this game.

 

[ExpectoPatronum 22]

Uhm. Mmh? Oh great, no edit option??? Right, sure, I hope I didn't make too much typing errors then. Typed this in one go and slammed submit.  Really, no edits? Haha.

[ExpectoPatronum 22]

Found a bad one:

11 minutes ago, ExpectoPatronum said:

the whole population is a bell curve of skill. The general skill will always be the largest group. The high and and low and will always be the lowest group.

 

Le Edit: "The general skill will always be the largest group. The high and low will always be the smallest group."

 

Oh well. Nobody will probably read it anyway?  No edits. Gosh this forum is so weird.

[vsb 6174]

12 minutes ago, ExpectoPatronum said:

Found a bad one:

Le Edit: "The general skill will always be the largest group. The high and low will always be the smallest group."

 

Oh well. Nobody will probably read it anyway?  No edits. Gosh this forum is so weird.

i read the whole thing and it made somewhere slightly below zero sense since a game that allows cheaters will sooner or later end up as only cheaters (there’s no reason to play legit if you’re constantly at a 3rd party disadvantage and you won’t be banned for evening the score), and cheaters don’t really enjoy playing against other cheaters - let alone the insane pr backlash any company would get for allowing players to cheat freely

 

your suggestion for faster threat progression will only lead to worse threat inflation than we have right now

[Monolillity 45]

5 hours ago, ExpectoPatronum said:

-snip-

 

I'm not sure how you get a bell curve from me playing a few matches, let alone one, but I think you are over-complicating things. Currently the game already gives you an adjusted 'skill-score' for each match you play. It's true that the current system can be fooled too easily, in several ways, for example; by throwing matches you can go back from gold to silver and from silver to bronze (green is near impossible). And like, you can play above average forever in the silver district and stay silver forever, or play way under average and turn gold in the bronze district. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm sure they could improve this. How about making it more simple than complex:

 

- Everyone starts off as silver, everyone. (Silver 1-15).

- Make gold the 'above game average' standard (Gold 1); auto-adjust the skill threshold every week or so to make gold 1-15 represent the top 50% of the active population in skill.

- Make gold 10-15 really hard to get, like the top 15%, of the active population, make it your new diamond skill. Also auto-adjust the skill threshold needed every week or so, just like gold.

 

Just 2 districts: silver and gold. Everyone can join every district (less server resources and more active districts). For now the players decide how they fill those. On 3.5 you could even match groups between these two districts. Slightly adjusted matchmaking will take care of balance;

 

Matchmaking; prefer to fill up the teams randomly within each rank (silver-silver, gold-gold, diamond-diamond). If not possible, 2 silvers = 1 gold. 2 gold = 1 diamond.) This is balanced but also still random because of the 1-15 grade system within each rank.

 

It's almost what we have now, but way more smooth.

 

Sincerely,

Monolillity

 

[NotTheEnforcer 222]

22 hours ago, ExpectoPatronum said:

 

- For blatant hackers I'd want something like a 24 hours block on first proof, 48 hours on second proof and then a repeating 120 hours of blocking for any new proof. Will this scare blatant hackers? Not at all and neither will permanent bans, hardware id bans, IP-address bans or any bans what so ever for that matter. They can and will circumvent any of these bans, not excluding my blocking suggestion. The only thing you want to do here is giving these people a strong message; your behavior is wrong and we will remove you from this game. Therefor this 24-120 hours of blocking 'system' has to decide swift and relentless - which you can do with blatant hackers. Nobody will ever be permanent banned, in fact, besides not being able to play the game without creating an alternative account, the worst that could happen would be something like; losing premium time, or, missing out on an event on the account in question for being blatant. This is a fine balance between punishment and losing items as long as the system decides swift and relentless.

 

A lot of cheaters buy Armas Weapons and Premium, what if every time they got banned they lost some of both? That gives them a monetary cost to cheating while still being able to retain their account/items if they cease cheating(Or at least getting caught, so they'd have to stop being blatant) 

 

The problem right now is, once they get past BattlEye (not a difficult thing according to a lot of people here), cheaters are basically free to go as hard as they want. There's no incentive to playing otherwise when all they have to do is put a little elbow grease in getting around BE and they're home free.

 

Perhaps they should boost the server count by a few slots specifically for SPCT members and GM's to fill a special Spectator role. That way, we can have active coverage of a district and those Spectators can flag/suspend an account for further review.

[CookiePuss 5382]

9 minutes ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

A lot of cheaters buy Armas Weapons and Premium, what if every time they got banned they lost some of both? That gives them a monetary cost to cheating while still being able to retain their account/items if they cease cheating(Or at least getting caught, so they'd have to stop being blatant) 

 

 

Perhaps they should boost the server count by a few slots specifically for SPCT members and GM

SPCT have absolutely no power at all, nor should we. All we do is test. 

9 minutes ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

 

 

The problem right now is, once they get past BattlEye (not a difficult thing according to a lot of people here)

Idiots say a lot of things, the trick is knowing how to ignore them. 

Edited January 8, 2019 by CookiePuss