Fortune Runner 796 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, MartisLTU said: No offence, but its hard to believe that some one who have internet and PC to play games dont have cell phone or any kind phone with active number.... I think phone number link to acc. with sms verification would be end of reroll cheaters. believe what you want but that doesn't change the fact I have no cell phone also forgot to mention that its been on the news lately how a cell phone identification is actually less secure. if that's true then i wouldn't want it anyways Edited October 18, 2018 by Fortune Runner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartisLTU 265 Posted October 18, 2018 7 hours ago, ឴឴឴឴឴឴឴ said: You are late by 20 years, now you can google "receive sms online" and get billion of different numbers for throwaway account verification. Not to mention there are a lot of events/places where you can grab bunch of promo sim cards for free. 2 hours ago, Fortune Runner said: also forgot to mention that its been on the news lately how a cell phone identification is actually less secure. if that's true then i wouldn't want it anyways Welp .. its better to do something and try to stop reroll cheaters, than just criticize everyone. Looks like both of you dont see much of the problem of reroll cheaters cuz i dont see any ideas from both of you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortune Runner 796 Posted October 19, 2018 3 hours ago, MartisLTU said: Welp .. its better to do something and try to stop reroll cheaters, than just criticize everyone. Looks like both of you dont see much of the problem of reroll cheaters cuz i dont see any ideas from both of you. no where near what i said if its true then id lose my account from a security flaw. no point in trying to prevent a reroll if it costs me my account instead from a security flaw. and once again I don't own a cell phone so i wouldn't be able to regardless. quit acting like one of those "entitled people" please doing any extra security properly means doing it properly..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
឴឴឴឴឴឴឴ 23 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, MartisLTU said: Welp .. its better to do something and try to stop reroll cheaters, than just criticize everyone. But if those "revolutionary" anti-cheat methods are outdated or proven to be ineffective why even bother? You are just shifting away engine upgrade and asking devs for doing days of absolutely useless extra work which will "stop" cheaters from rerolling for an one minute more once a week/month. If I knew a WORKING anti-cheat method I wouldn't post it in open as well. Edited October 19, 2018 by ឴឴឴឴឴឴឴ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xegethra 22 Posted October 19, 2018 Not sure I like the idea of phone numbers. My sister got a second hand phone number a few years back, it used to belong to someone who was being chased by debt collectors....someone was on the run it seems. I know that's a different scale to getting one linked to a cheater account, but it can still bite people it shouldn't. I don't know the best way to keep cheaters away. I wish the game could detect when it is being manipulated and just close....and keeps doing it until cheat is removed. And if it's being put back on, closes the game again. Unrealistic I know. That and a self aware APB might not be a good idea in general..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotZombieBiscuit 3146 Posted October 19, 2018 People also forget a lot of these measures are an inconvenience for the innocent majority just to try and mess with a cheating minority that is hardly even affected by these measures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrashCan 19 Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said: People also forget a lot of these measures are an inconvenience for the innocent majority just to try and mess with a cheating minority that is hardly even affected by these measures. The Innocent majority does not need multiple accounts! 7 hours ago, Fortune Runner said: no where near what i said if its true then id lose my account from a security flaw. no point in trying to prevent a reroll if it costs me my account instead from a security flaw. and once again I don't own a cell phone so i wouldn't be able to regardless. quit acting like one of those "entitled people" please doing any extra security properly means doing it properly..... 3 hours ago, ឴឴឴឴឴឴឴ said: But if those "revolutionary" anti-cheat methods are outdated or proven to be ineffective why even bother? You are just shifting away engine upgrade and asking devs for doing days of absolutely useless extra work which will "stop" cheaters from rerolling for an one minute more once a week/month. If I knew a WORKING anti-cheat method I wouldn't post it in open as well. LO can introduce this step by step nobody wants to do that before the engine upgrade and it would not happen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrashCan 19 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said: People also forget a lot of these measures are an inconvenience for the innocent majority just to try and mess with a cheating minority that is hardly even affected by these measures. The innocent majority does not need multiple accounts! Many people make new accounts only to play on bronze and that harms the new players and in most cases the people give up because they think cheaters. And because APB has the worst cheater reputation as far people just uninstall the Game. Edited October 19, 2018 by TrashCan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swft 356 Posted October 19, 2018 HWID gets reset with every Windows 10 "major" update, so, no point in doing this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JungleFlaco 10 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) Talking about Bans and stuff.. What about handling Two Step Authentication System by Phone Number only? Edited October 19, 2018 by JungleFlaco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
valdas001 22 Posted October 19, 2018 I agree with phone number authentication. On 10/18/2018 at 5:40 AM, Fortune Runner said: Hardware ids can be changed easily. so can internet address. And not everyone has a cell phone myself included. The only real guarantee is banning accounts. Not sure what else can be done without slowing down updates to APB Maybe its time to get phone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seadee 107 Posted October 19, 2018 17 hours ago, Fortune Runner said: believe what you want but that doesn't change the fact I have no cell phone also forgot to mention that its been on the news lately how a cell phone identification is actually less secure. if that's true then i wouldn't want it anyways well then 2 step auth with email if you dont have a cell phone (but seriously 2018, no cellphone, how do you survive?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ketog 1032 Posted October 19, 2018 you might not have been aware of it , but that feature has been into apb since RTW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mitne 724 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 6:23 AM, MrsHappyPenguin said: Then players buying used hardware get banned because it happened to be flagged. Honestly, what are odds of that. Population of APB is uber small. Edited October 19, 2018 by Mitne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortune Runner 796 Posted October 19, 2018 6 hours ago, valdas001 said: I agree with phone number authentication. Maybe its time to get phone? sure buy it for me >.> 5 hours ago, Seadee said: well then 2 step auth with email if you dont have a cell phone (but seriously 2018, no cellphone, how do you survive?) top ramen ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlatMan 711 Posted October 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Mitne said: Honestly, what are odds of that. Population of APB is uber small. You could use the same excuse to any kind of false ban. Any false ban is a lost customer and bad rep for your company. LO are currently cleaning up G1's mess, they can't afford any bad rep. Temp hardware bans for a week or two is the furthest I would go, and even then only if it blocks you from connecting, not ban your new account. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mitne 724 Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, MrsHappyPenguin said: You could use the same excuse to any kind of false ban. Any false ban is a lost customer and bad rep for your company. LO are currently cleaning up G1's mess, they can't afford any bad rep. Temp hardware bans for a week or two is the furthest I would go, and even then only if it blocks you from connecting, not ban your new account. Each hardware got ID number in various forms. Banning one of kind hardware in world and it landing in hands of other APB player is unlikely. Taking that it's at max 1k people against 8-9bil. people on this planet. Odds are 1:800 000 000 at best. Edited October 20, 2018 by Mitne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5378 Posted October 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, Mitne said: Each hardware got ID number in various forms. Banning one of kind hardware in world and it landing in hands of other APB player is unlikely. Taking that it's at max 1k people against 8-9bil. people on this planet. Odds are 1:800 000 000 at best. Nice maff bruv. lul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mitne 724 Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, CookiePuss said: Nice maff bruv. lul And then again chance is spiked up to be even more unlikely by the fact that chance of getting not banned hardware is more likely than hitting that one chance of banned hardware. Even then, support could work something out I guess. Permanent hardware ban IS useful and "two week ban" will mean cheaters using spare hardware to swap it back and forth to evase ban. If they want to cheat sure - but that will cost them. Edited October 21, 2018 by Mitne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TehBlizzy 23 Posted October 22, 2018 Every time you log into APB, you're sending a massive list of hardware names and versions from your computer to the login server in basically a super long string of text. This data includes things like your motherboard bios version. The entire HWID structure for APB can be found via Google. 100% of it can be falsified (only G1/LO know if they have any sort of detection for inconsistent HWID data for a single account) but you can still log in just fine. There are HWID bans (as I've been on the receiving end of one in 2012), but they're completely unreliable just like IP banning someone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilyV3 323 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:18 AM, Weeb TheEpicGuyV2 said: >PUBG Why are there still non http Forums on the net? Why are there still login = user names in many? Because there is still amongst companies a huge lack of basic security knowledge or knowledge about what makes sense and what not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
