End the N-TEC Standard of Balance

[Noob_Guardian 417]

Everyone always talks about how N-TEC is balanced yet when a weapon comes out that can compete on equal footing or is stronger than it, it always gets the nerf hammer. Nothing can be "better" than the N-TEC only worse. The most balanced weapons in the game are the Star and FAR, and they should be the center of balance and what everyone compares and balances weapons to.

Change my mind.

[Ebola-Chan 59]

tbh i liked the far pre rng patch
now its just rng fest and it blooms super fast and if u fight an ntec tap fire at the same speed as he does all u can do is pray to god the rng hits him

[Nite 261]

2 minutes ago, Noob_Guardian said:

Everyone always talks about how N-TEC is balanced yet when a weapon comes out that can compete on equal footing or is stronger than it, it always gets the nerf hammer.

To be fair, any and all assault rifles that have released after the NTEC/STAR have been ARMAS only to my knowledge (ATAC, FAR, Misery, COBR-A, Frenzy etc). In that vein, yeah we can't afford to have such an AR be better than the NTEC, then it would be P2W.


 

[vsb 6171]

8 minutes ago, Noob_Guardian said:

Everyone always talks about how N-TEC is balanced yet when a weapon comes out that can compete on equal footing or is stronger than it, it always gets the nerf hammer. Nothing can be "better" than the N-TEC only worse. The most balanced weapons in the game are the Star and FAR, and they should be the center of balance and what everyone compares and balances weapons to.

Change my mind.

what direct competitor to the ntec was nerfed? 

[Genobee 143]

41 minutes ago, Nite said:

To be fair, any and all assault rifles that have released after the NTEC/STAR have been ARMAS only to my knowledge (ATAC, FAR, Misery, COBR-A, Frenzy etc). In that vein, yeah we can't afford to have such an AR be better than the NTEC, then it would be P2W.


 

Yeeep. Agree completely.

Besides I feel like out of every weapon category the assault rifles are in the best state. There are quite a few that toe the line of surpassing free alternatives as it is. Would rather they put more attention into other guns. 

Unless he's talking about the TTK of the STAR? If that's the case a slightly higher effective TTK is fine by me. Although I think at this point the majority have gotten used to the faster TTK. Plus it would be another balancing nightmare. Of which I think APB has had enough. Meaning that would probably be a terrible idea. 

[Unclean 45]

2 hours ago, Noob_Guardian said:

Everyone always talks about how N-TEC is balanced yet when a weapon comes out that can compete on equal footing or is stronger than it, it always gets the nerf hammer. Nothing can be "better" than the N-TEC only worse. The most balanced weapons in the game are the Star and FAR, and they should be the center of balance and what everyone compares and balances weapons to.

Change my mind.

The Star directly competes with the Ntec so you're kind of comprehending yourself here.. the ntec gives up a little cqc power to be better at longer distances but under 30m a star would win every time if skill levels are equal.

the ntec simply is not OP. Neither is the star or far. They are all balanced. People like myself are saying it's the most balanced weapon in the game because it's the easiest example because everyone has used them and gone against them frequently. If all weapons are brought up to par to these weapons, then we will see a better variation of weapons in missions. Edited August 15, 2018 by Unclean

[IAmDisappointSon 45]

2 hours ago, Noob_Guardian said:

Everyone always talks about how N-TEC is balanced yet when a weapon comes out that can compete on equal footing or is stronger than it, it always gets the nerf hammer. Nothing can be "better" than the N-TEC only worse. The most balanced weapons in the game are the Star and FAR, and they should be the center of balance and what everyone compares and balances weapons to.

Change my mind.

Kalashnikov is best weapon

[Noob_Guardian 417]

2 hours ago, Genobee said:

Yeeep. Agree completely.

Besides I feel like out of every weapon category the assault rifles are in the best state. There are quite a few that toe the line of surpassing free alternatives as it is. Would rather they put more attention into other guns. 

Unless he's talking about the TTK of the STAR? If that's the case a slightly higher effective TTK is fine by me. Although I think at this point the majority have gotten used to the faster TTK. Plus it would be another balancing nightmare. Of which I think APB has had enough. Meaning that would probably be a terrible idea. 

Personally i'd increase ntec's ttk to .75 or .77 and its range to 55m, and decrease the stars to .7 as it is more cqc and the ntec is always played as a far mid range (50-60m) anyways. That way it can reach further, has a higher ttk than star would, but a lower TTK of the obeya with a .84ttk which has 60m range. I feel it would be far more balanced that way. Edited August 16, 2018 by Noob_Guardian

[Xnetexe 78]

4 hours ago, Nite said:

To be fair, any and all assault rifles that have released after the NTEC/STAR have been ARMAS only to my knowledge (ATAC, FAR, Misery, COBR-A, Frenzy etc).

FAR Vanguard and FAR Charger 3 slots were given as contact unlocks during a few events (can't remember which).

[vsb 6171]

15 minutes ago, Xnetexe said:

FAR Vanguard and FAR Charger 3 slots were given as contact unlocks during a few events (can't remember which).

so were the raptor 45 vulture and raptor 45 hawk, altho those dont really compete with the ntec despite being assault rifles

all of them were given out as rewards for the xmas events iirc

  Edited August 16, 2018 by BXNNXD
added stuff

[Toasted 9]

12 minutes ago, Xnetexe said:

5 hours ago, Nite said:

To be fair, any and all assault rifles that have released after the NTEC/STAR have been ARMAS only to my knowledge (ATAC, FAR, Misery, COBR-A, Frenzy etc).

FAR Vanguard and FAR Charger 3 slots were given as contact unlocks during a few events (can't remember which).

can confirm, i have both. i believe it was one of the xmas events but cant remember

[Weeb TheEpicGuyV2 269]

Was 2017 Christmas event

[LUST 215]

48 minutes ago, Toasted said:

1 hour ago, Xnetexe said:

can confirm, i have both. i believe it was one of the xmas events but cant remember

2014

• FAR 'Vanguard' - Deck the Halls 2014 : Earned by gaining 50k score in the 12 Deaths of Christmas Event
• FAR 'Charger' - Ho Ho Ho, Now I Have a... 2014 : Grab weapons from Secret Santa Gift Boxes and kill others

2015

• 'Elf Hat and Ears' - Deck the Halls 2015
• Raptor 'Hawk' - Ho Ho Ho, Now I Have a... 2015

Afterwards, in 2016 and 2017, both were re-offered the same way; however did not have an associated Steam Achievement. Due to this change, both the 2014 and 2015 achievements are unachievable in Steam for new players (which they could resolve... @Majiik)

[Toasted 9]

1 hour ago, LUST said:

2014

• FAR 'Vanguard' - Deck the Halls 2014 : Earned by gaining 50k score in the 12 Deaths of Christmas Event
• FAR 'Charger' - Ho Ho Ho, Now I Have a... 2014 : Grab weapons from Secret Santa Gift Boxes and kill others

2015

• 'Elf Hat and Ears' - Deck the Halls 2015
• Raptor 'Hawk' - Ho Ho Ho, Now I Have a... 2015

Afterwards, in 2016 and 2017, both were re-offered the same way; however did not have an associated Steam Achievement. Due to this change, both the 2014 and 2015 achievements are unachievable in Steam for new players (which they could resolve... @Majiik)

this really makes me wonder why im playing this game for so many years

[vsb 6171]

Just now, Toasted said:

this really makes me wonder why im playing this game for so many years

the first step towards recovery is acceptance of your addiction

[Lato 188]

13 hours ago, Nite said:

To be fair, any and all assault rifles that have released after the NTEC/STAR have been ARMAS only to my knowledge (ATAC, FAR, Misery, COBR-A, Frenzy etc). In that vein, yeah we can't afford to have such an AR be better than the NTEC, then it would be P2W.


 

and that's exactly why this game is down to 700 players

[Keshi 436]

6 hours ago, Lato said:

20 hours ago, Nite said:

To be fair, any and all assault rifles that have released after the NTEC/STAR have been ARMAS only to my knowledge (ATAC, FAR, Misery, COBR-A, Frenzy etc). In that vein, yeah we can't afford to have such an AR be better than the NTEC, then it would be P2W.


 

and that's exactly why this game is down to 700 players

[CookiePuss 5378]

6 hours ago, Lato said:

and that's exactly why this game is down to 700 players

I think the 24hr peak was over 1,100.

[NotZombieBiscuit 3146]

Do people not realise that even if the N-TEC was nerfed in to the ground, which it does not need, it would still be used a lot due to it being the only easily accessible AR besides the starting STAR? Every other AR is either armas or locked behind something else.

[Keshi 436]

4 minutes ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:

Do people not realise that even if the N-TEC was nerfed in to the ground, which it does not need, it would still be used a lot due to it being the only easily accessible AR besides the starting STAR? Every other AR is either armas or locked behind something else.

^

[CookiePuss 5378]

24 minutes ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:

Do people not realise that even if the N-TEC was nerfed in to the ground, which it does not need, it would still be used a lot due to it being the only easily accessible AR besides the starting STAR? Every other AR is either armas or locked behind something else.

cr5 p2w

[NotZombieBiscuit 3146]

1 minute ago, CookiePuss said:

26 minutes ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:

Do people not realise that even if the N-TEC was nerfed in to the ground, which it does not need, it would still be used a lot due to it being the only easily accessible AR besides the starting STAR? Every other AR is either armas or locked behind something else.

cr5 p2w

How did G1 think it would be okay to release an N-TEC reskin with bugged sound that makes it fire faster. What a joke.

[Noob_Guardian 417]

3 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:

Do people not realise that even if the N-TEC was nerfed in to the ground, which it does not need, it would still be used a lot due to it being the only easily accessible AR besides the starting STAR? Every other AR is either armas or locked behind something else.

I have always said that the STAR should have a .7ttk rather than a .75.

[foolish ninja 59]

1 hour ago, Noob_Guardian said:

5 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:

Do people not realise that even if the N-TEC was nerfed in to the ground, which it does not need, it would still be used a lot due to it being the only easily accessible AR besides the starting STAR? Every other AR is either armas or locked behind something else.

I have always said that the STAR should have a .7ttk rather than a .75.

ARs shouldnt even have the same TTK as any CQB weapon in the first place. They should have slower TTK but longer range, which balances it out. SMGs have shorter TTK but have to sacrifice range. Edited August 16, 2018 by foolish ninja

[Noob_Guardian 417]

Just now, foolish ninja said:

ARs shouldnt even have the same TTK as any CQB weapon in the first place. They should have slower TTK but longer range, which balances it out. SMGs have shorter TTK but have to sacrifice range. Balance, you know.

Yeah i do, however they also made shotguns and smg's TTK's slightly faster than .70 as well. Unless you mean that NTEC, FAR, Frenzy, etc should have a .75ttk same as star