Nerf the AP.45

[vsb]

6 hours ago, Y2Venom said:

no no no no. Bronze servers where thriving and people played the game like it was supposed to be played. The games were fun and unpredictable. Teams were fair, car chases and explosions. Ramming and running over players. Cars flying through the air. Percs and grenade spamming. Yes there were dethreaters, but people were losing on purpose because the bronze servers were so much more fun. 

 

Gold servers were first to die. Why ? because they were boring AF ....   peek shoot, peek shoot, peek shoot, peek shoot Get The Item, peek shoot peek shoot, peek shoot, peek shoot. Drive to the next spot, peek shoot peek shoot peek shoot, peek shoot. Defend The Door, peek shoot peek shoot peek shoot.  Kill The Other Team, Peek Shoot, Peek Shoot, Peek Shoot, Peek Shoot, Peek Shoot, Peek Shoot, Peek Shoot, Peek Shoot, Peek Shoot.

 

Those barriers were removied and within months the population declined to its lowest ever.

bro was smurfing in the bronze district clubbing seals lmao

[Y2Venom]

On 9/7/2024 at 4:59 AM, vsb said:

bro was smurfing in the bronze district clubbing seals lmao

no , some people like a mosh pit, some people like ping pong. Gold Servers were just ping pong .

[ninjarrrr]

oh look at that the majority voted to nerf the 45 ap.... good thing that LO never listens to their playerbase so the minority vote will just win as always

[MACKxBOLAN]

why nerf it, its worthless anyway. 

most all guns are worthless for legits. 

[CookiePuss]

2 hours ago, ninjarrrr said:

oh look at that the majority voted to nerf the 45 ap.... good thing that LO never listens to their playerbase so the minority vote will just win as always

the majority being a whopping 44 people

[ninjarrrr]

9 hours ago, CookiePuss said:

the majority being a whopping 44 people

whenever theres a weapon change, its usually the decision of the 4 or so SPCTs that gave their opinion anyway, so 44 must be massive to LO

[Qualeta]

Are people still crying over this pistol?
Yes it is strong, yes it has more range than the other pistols but you completely ignore the fact that you need 5/7 bullets and that sometimes the crosshair get massive swells more than the others.
There are good alternatives to the pistol such as "FBW" which requires 6/15 bullets to kill which means more chances to kill despite the misses, "Kokoe" from close range 5/10 bullets which allows you to kill 2 people in one magazine.

Tip: confuse your enemy with good movement (behind some wall and quick peek with the body) so that he misses 2 bullets and then rush him and hope that he will miss at least one more bullet and he will reloading in front of your face which will give you an advantage of a few seconds.

[Berkshire]

36 minutes ago, Qualeta said:

Are people still crying over this pistol?
Yes it is strong, yes it has more range than the other pistols but you completely ignore the fact that you need 5/7 bullets and that sometimes the crosshair get massive swells more than the others.
There are good alternatives to the pistol such as "FBW" which requires 6/15 bullets to kill which means more chances to kill despite the misses, "Kokoe" from close range 5/10 bullets which allows you to kill 2 people in one magazine.

Tip: confuse your enemy with good movement (behind some wall and quick peek with the body) so that he misses 2 bullets and then rush him and hope that he will miss at least one more bullet and he will reloading in front of your face which will give you an advantage of a few seconds.
 

Bla bla bla…. I already do things like this to out smart an AP.45 user. But that doesn’t mean I’ll ignore the fact the AP.45 is dominate against most primary’s and secondaries.

 

Change needs to happen with this weapon even if it’s something minor like changing the effective range or fire rate.

Edited September 11, 2024 by Berkshire

[Qualeta]

6 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Bla bla bla…. I already do things like this to out smart an AP.45 user. But that doesn’t mean I’ll ignore the fact the AP.45 is dominate against most primary’s and secondaries. Change needs to happen with this weapon even if it’s something small like changing the effective range on it or fire rate.

nah AP is fine, if you will nerf it nobody will use it anymore 

[Berkshire]

20 minutes ago, Qualeta said:

nah AP is fine, if you will nerf it nobody will use it anymore 

So you’re ok with the rest of the 90% of secondaries not getting used because of the AP?

[Qualeta]

48 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

So you’re ok with the rest of the 90% of secondaries not getting used because of the AP?

yes.. and is around 50% not 90%.
 

[vsb]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

So you’re ok with the rest of the 90% of secondaries not getting used because of the AP?

nerfing the 45 isn’t going to make people use other secondaries, everyone will just switch to fbw

 

the useless secondaries need a buff to be used, not a 45 nerf

[Y2Venom]

3 hours ago, vsb said:

nerfing the 45 isn’t going to make people use other secondaries, everyone will just switch to fbw

 

the useless secondaries need a buff to be used, not a 45 nerf

Simple fact is, this gun became popular over night after a certain cheat was released and continues to be so. It is now "normal" to use this cheat as players have been using it for years.  If this gun does get a nerf, suddenly the Frog will be the most popular gun for the exact same reason. But the game is completely unbalanced with it.

[vsb]

3 hours ago, Y2Venom said:

Simple fact is, this gun became popular over night after a certain cheat was released and continues to be so. It is now "normal" to use this cheat as players have been using it for years.  If this gun does get a nerf, suddenly the Frog will be the most popular gun for the exact same reason. But the game is completely unbalanced with it.

it’s popular because it’s effective

 

just like the fbw is effective, just like the frog is effective, and just like all the other secondaries should be 

[BlatMan]

6 hours ago, Y2Venom said:

Simple fact is, this gun became popular over night after a certain cheat was released and continues to be so. It is now "normal" to use this cheat as players have been using it for years.  If this gun does get a nerf, suddenly the Frog will be the most popular gun for the exact same reason. But the game is completely unbalanced with it.

Explain how a cheat can make the .45 better without also making every other secondary better.

[Y2Venom]

21 hours ago, vsb said:

it’s popular because it’s effective

 

just like the fbw is effective, just like the frog is effective, and just like all the other secondaries should be 

Like the Obir, it wasnt popular for a very long time, hardly anybody used it, then suddenly out of the blue it became popular....

 

Merged.

 

17 hours ago, BlatMan said:

Explain how a cheat can make the .45 better without also making every other secondary better.

same reason in game mods are better in some weapons then others.

[vsb]

51 minutes ago, Y2Venom said:

Like the Obir, it wasnt popular for a very long time, hardly anybody used it, then suddenly out of the blue it became popular....

the obir wasn’t meta because the obeya was insanely strong for so long, as soon as it got nerfed people started switching to the next best option

 

i have no idea which cheat you’re specifically referring to, but i’m certain there’s no cheat that only works for the obir and 45 lol

[ColorBauss]

1 hour ago, Y2Venom said:

Like the Obir, it wasnt popular for a very long time, hardly anybody used it, then suddenly out of the blue it became popular....

.45 has been popular for a long time, I've used it since 2018 at least. 

[BlatMan]

2 hours ago, Y2Venom said:

same reason in game mods are better in some weapons then others.

Weapon mods change the weapon stats. Cheats don't. You need to explain in more detail because I have no idea what you're referring to.

[Hexerin]

2 hours ago, vsb said:

the obir wasn’t meta because the obeya was insanely strong for so long, as soon as it got nerfed people started switching to the next best option

CR762 got nerfed and OBIR got buffed, along with the rise in people abusing the Kevlar / Med Spray combo when consumables became more easily accessible. These things combined are what caused the meta shift, it wasn't just the CR762 nerf on its own. Giving the 45AP a slight nerf won't cause a meta shift on its own, but it will allow other secondaries to be viable choices since you'd no longer be gimping yourself by not choosing the secondary that is actually just a primary.

2 hours ago, vsb said:

i have no idea which cheat you’re specifically referring to, but i’m certain there’s no cheat that only works for the obir and 45 lol

Also, you're being willfully obtuse about this. We both know you know exactly what's being talked about.

[vsb]

1 hour ago, Hexerin said:

CR762 got nerfed and OBIR got buffed, along with the rise in people abusing the Kevlar / Med Spray combo when consumables became more easily accessible. These things combined are what caused the meta shift, it wasn't just the CR762 nerf on its own. Giving the 45AP a slight nerf won't cause a meta shift on its own, but it will allow other secondaries to be viable choices since you'd no longer be gimping yourself by not choosing the secondary that is actually just a primary.

there’s 3 viable secondaries, if you “slightly” nerf the 45 then there’s still 3 viable secondaries and there was no point in making any changes in the first place

 

 

1 hour ago, Hexerin said:

Also, you're being willfully obtuse about this. We both know you know exactly what's being talked about.

bros talking like triggerbotters discovered semi-automatic weapons in 2020 and cheaters using a gun means it should be nerfed, i want him to realize how dumb his opinions sound 

[PsyChoVSkiii]

It doesn't need any nerf then it will be just a useless gun , just rework other secondaries and make them a bit more useful . Let's talk about HVR and shotgun that need a bit of buff back and other secondaries and not the AP. Then with which secondary should we play ?? no no no no 

[killersan6]

2 hours ago, PsyChoVSkiii said:

It doesn't need any nerf then it will be just a useless gun , just rework other secondaries and make them a bit more useful . Let's talk about HVR and shotgun that need a bit of buff back and other secondaries and not the AP. Then with which secondary should we play ?? no no no no 

Any other that required skill to be good with.

[Berkshire]

Bump - I will not let this forum post disappear until this AP issue is resolved. 

[MACKxBOLAN]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

AP issue is resolved

They did nerf the .45, so resolved, last couple few days ago.