Anti-Cheat Discussion

[Datpaper420 16]

Apb doesn't have an active anticheat according to reddit, BE is disabled, and EAC wasnt implemented even tho its free for developers...Im not gonna bother yall gonna defend your cheater buddies and im just gonna let ur NA server die, no point trying to argue when its obvious cheaters rule the game. Sorry i myself had enough, and sorry but not sorry i will not recommend apb in its current state to any new players, i refuse, don't like it ban me forever and ever!

[AlienTM 138]

EAC cant support this old version of the game.Main reason why things failed between them and LO(EAC also wanted more money)Once again the engine is the key..like for most things so stop fkn askin for better anticheat.I think is impossible before the upgrade

[Gateron 267]

24 minutes ago, AlienTM said:

EAC cant support this old version of the game.Main reason why things failed between them and LO(EAC also wanted more money)Once again the engine is the key..like for most things so stop fkn askin for better anticheat.I think is impossible before the upgrade

EAC did work but not fully intended. Client side it did work but server side it didn't but, even the client side had a big impact on the playability on  the game it stopped a lot of cheats. Only the people with VIP cheats could still play and there where like 10 of those users from what i have seen. 

 

EAC Client side did way more then BE Client and server side combined. BE didn't stop any cheat even when it was released on day one. People where legit testing there cheats on there max ranks in baylan snapping and ttking every time. Keep deeptroathing LO.... the best they could do is just give the game EAC client side anti cheat back since the game was the most playable in those time.

[vsb 6171]

12 hours ago, Datpaper420 said:

Apb doesn't have an active anticheat according to reddit, BE is disabled, and EAC wasnt implemented even tho its free for developers...Im not gonna bother yall gonna defend your cheater buddies and im just gonna let ur NA server die, no point trying to argue when its obvious cheaters rule the game. Sorry i myself had enough, and sorry but not sorry i will not recommend apb in its current state to any new players, i refuse, don't like it ban me forever and ever!

"according to reddit" lmao

 

apb currently uses battleye as an anticheat

[Euxoa 17]

On 8/5/2021 at 9:48 AM, Datpaper420 said:

Apb doesn't have an active anticheat according to reddit, BE is disabled, and EAC wasnt implemented even tho its free for developers...Im not gonna bother yall gonna defend your cheater buddies and im just gonna let ur NA server die, no point trying to argue when its obvious cheaters rule the game. Sorry i myself had enough, and sorry but not sorry i will not recommend apb in its current state to any new players, i refuse, don't like it ban me forever and ever!

Just the simple fact I have 0 clue who you are, and you talk like you just came out of your mother means you're irrelevant, and likely a low-mid silver who's seen gold maybe once or twice because their threat calculation is dogshit. Cheaters don't "rule the game". Most of the people that are left are people that have been playing for 5+ years like myself, and know the maps and know how to use a mouse and click left click. Just because you get shit on doesn't mean they're cheating, it just means you suck. Now trust me, back when I was newer(ish), I felt the same way. But I played consistently, and got better and now I'm to the point where I get called a cheater daily just because I jump scout someone after 3 successive .45 shots. Not cheating, just experienced. Learn the difference. You're the reason this game has gone to shit, because half this playerbase is too soft, not to mention 0 content, patch, etc. updates and staff that doesn't care.

Sorry for the little rant, but holy shit I'm getting tired of seeing this.

Edited August 6, 2021 by Euxoa

[Gateron 267]

17 hours ago, Euxoa said:

Just the simple fact I have 0 clue who you are, and you talk like you just came out of your mother means you're irrelevant, and likely a low-mid silver who's seen gold maybe once or twice because their threat calculation is dogshit. Cheaters don't "rule the game". Most of the people that are left are people that have been playing for 5+ years like myself, and know the maps and know how to use a mouse and click left click. Just because you get shit on doesn't mean they're cheating, it just means you suck. Now trust me, back when I was newer(ish), I felt the same way. But I played consistently, and got better and now I'm to the point where I get called a cheater daily just because I jump scout someone after 3 successive .45 shots. Not cheating, just experienced. Learn the difference. You're the reason this game has gone to shit, because half this playerbase is too soft, not to mention 0 content, patch, etc. updates and staff that doesn't care.

Sorry for the little rant, but holy shit I'm getting tired of seeing this.

Man you must be so shit that the closets don't even need to toggle on for you. You legit don't know what happens behind the scenes with cheats. Some closet cheaters are also good players + cheats gives them them the bigger edge. These days the old cheaters that rerolled don't toggle to everyone expect people they really don't like or know they will lose to if they don't toggle. Let me tell you been playing since 2012 in the beginning they couldn't go blatant since they though they could get banned but, now they know lidl orbit doesn't do really much other then look at griefing reports.

 

We are so far in the game that some cheaters are actually good players and only toggle on when they go against someone they have trouble to play against or they just straight up don't like that person.

 

They are named a closet cheaters for a reason they want to look legit.

[Y2Venom 219]

1 hour ago, Gateron said:

We are so far in the game that some cheaters are actually good players and only toggle on when they go against someone they have trouble to play against or they just straight up don't like that person.

 

They are named a closet cheaters for a reason they want to look legit.

There are many different kinds.

• There are cheaters that just dont care and want to cause a Rukus.
• There are cheaters that use Fireworks to hide the fact they are wall cheating.
• There are cheaters that dont equip a main gun , they de-threat a lot and only use a handgun if they have to.
• There are clans of cheaters who if one gets banned, they have a number of re-rolls within the clan, they just have a clan mate send them new guns. They make millions every week and can afford to do this.
• There is the closet closet cheater that will toggle on and off as there is less of a chance of him getting caught. Sometimes gives away his cheats if he gets mad or takes a beating.
• There is the cheater that thinks nobody knows that he is cheating and is over confident.
• Scripters whos guns shoot rhythmically, usually a fan of sniper rifles.

And all of the above cause less hassle then the dethreaters/grifers.

[JustLikeHim 4]

1 hour ago, Y2Venom said:

There are many different kinds.

• There are cheaters that just dont care and want to cause a Rukus.
• There are cheaters that use Fireworks to hide the fact they are wall cheating.
• There are cheaters that dont equip a main gun , they de-threat a lot and only use a handgun if they have to.
• There are clans of cheaters who if one gets banned, they have a number of re-rolls within the clan, they just have a clan mate send them new guns. They make millions every week and can afford to do this.
• There is the closet closet cheater that will toggle on and off as there is less of a chance of him getting caught. Sometimes gives away his cheats if he gets mad or takes a beating.
• There is the cheater that thinks nobody knows that he is cheating and is over confident.
• Scripters whos guns shoot rhythmically, usually a fan of sniper rifles.

And all of the above cause less hassle then the dethreaters/grifers.

All that commitment for this dying or zombified game is amazing 

[Euxoa 17]

4 hours ago, Gateron said:

Man you must be so shit that the closets don't even need to toggle on for you. You legit don't know what happens behind the scenes with cheats. Some closet cheaters are also good players + cheats gives them them the bigger edge. These days the old cheaters that rerolled don't toggle to everyone expect people they really don't like or know they will lose to if they don't toggle. Let me tell you been playing since 2012 in the beginning they couldn't go blatant since they though they could get banned but, now they know lidl orbit doesn't do really much other then look at griefing reports.

 

We are so far in the game that some cheaters are actually good players and only toggle on when they go against someone they have trouble to play against or they just straight up don't like that person.

 

They are named a closet cheaters for a reason they want to look legit.

First off, before we continue, I’m speaking on behalf of NA. I know cheaters flood EU.

 

You seem to not know people very well. While I do agree there is a cheating issue in APB, it’s a very very very small portion. And a lot of times, the only people who cry wolf are the low rank silvers or bronzes complaining they got trampled by a 195+ gold. That’s not a cheater issue. That’s APBs terrible matchmaking.  

 

As for NA, a lot of the people that are accused of being cheaters there because they’re really good, I’m friends with and play on a day to day basis and aren’t cheating. So before you shit yourself anymore, how about getting to know people first. Innocent until proven guilty. Not vice versa.

[Gateron 267]

11 hours ago, Euxoa said:

First off, before we continue, I’m speaking on behalf of NA. I know cheaters flood EU.

 

You seem to not know people very well. While I do agree there is a cheating issue in APB, it’s a very very very small portion. And a lot of times, the only people who cry wolf are the low rank silvers or bronzes complaining they got trampled by a 195+ gold. That’s not a cheater issue. That’s APBs terrible matchmaking.  

 

As for NA, a lot of the people that are accused of being cheaters there because they’re really good, I’m friends with and play on a day to day basis and aren’t cheating. So before you shit yourself anymore, how about getting to know people first. Innocent until proven guilty. Not vice versa.

Funny thing is I though I knew people. The people I knew so very well and protected some turned out to be cheating so I don't get your point. Knowing someone =/= cheating I see . Because you are friends with someone doesn't mean there is not a possibility that he is cheating. Like I said good closets only toggle when they can't win or hate that person.

 

My old "friends" never toggled against me because we are friends but, that also gave me the idea that they aren't cheating. Guess what it ended up they where cheating in the end. Your logic makes no sense it's like saying he didn du nuffin he a good boy cus i know him. 

 

get out of here this game is dead because of the consistent closeting problem because someone downgraded the anti cheat.

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Gateron

[Euxoa 17]

1 hour ago, Gateron said:

Funny thing is I though I knew people. The people I knew so very well and protected some turned out to be cheating so I don't get your point. Knowing someone =/= cheating I see . Because you are friends with someone doesn't mean there is not a possibility that he is cheating. Like I said good closets only toggle when they can't win or hate that person.

 

My old "friends" never toggled against me because we are friends but, that also gave me the idea that they aren't cheating. Guess what it ended up they where cheating in the end. Your logic makes no sense it's like saying he didn du nuffin he a good boy cus i know him. 

 

get out of here this game is dead because of the consistent closeting problem because someone downgraded the anti cheat.

 

Your excuse for not being able to make real friends, and them turning out to be cheaters doesn't mean mine are. Don't bring your sad childhood into this.

[cowhorseman 441]

6 hours ago, Gateron said:

get out of here this game is dead because of the consistent closeting problem because someone downgraded the anti cheat.

 

I'm 99% sure this game is dead on behalf of the fact after about 50hours in you have seen and done each mission 1 time and (for a better part of it) got your patootie handed to you by a lop sized match making system that favors no one but premades and/or cheaters piled on top of no new events and/or content with a hint of lack of progress on the engine due to certain issues the government wants to seem larger then it is and the fact working on a project that is about as broken as a bull in a glassware shop isn't fun. we can also add the fact the amount of porn and ear rapping themes/songs on here also drove off people like someone who might stream this game but would get banned for that crap or just in general don't want to see or hear it. infact i could start a list of things that could drive out players more then keep

 

a good example to me is the fact when fallen earth was on a low day i could still run around for hours doing what ever because it had no real focus expect what you wanted to do and apb it's pvp or ram raid, and after about ten mins of ram raid i want to ram my head into a wall and 5 missions i have had the same 3 gold premade i can not do anything against no matter what gun i use or what mods i equip. it's also not a matter of whos better in any level or equipment pc or other wise it's the matter of i'm with 2 Randoms and were not talking to each other or rarely and i'm almost sure there using a out of game chat system 

 

so for a quick sum up because i know how this player base does not like to read because text is scary

 

apb dead because issues longer then a besthda bug list 

[Gateron 267]

On 8/8/2021 at 6:35 AM, Euxoa said:

Your excuse for not being able to make real friends, and them turning out to be cheaters doesn't mean mine are. Don't bring your sad childhood into this.

Bruh you must be Insult removed.    - Azukii  . How many people do you think I met playing this game since 2012? I got a group of real friends now that I know for years. Don't act like you are something special you are a another Insult removed.    - Azukii on copium thinking this game has no cheaters problem.

 

[Euxoa 17]

On 8/7/2021 at 5:33 PM, Euxoa said:

I know cheaters flood EU.

 

On 8/9/2021 at 5:45 AM, Gateron said:

Bruh you must be Insult removed.    - Azukii  . How many people do you think I met playing this game since 2012? I got a group of real friends now that I know for years. Don't act like you are something special you are a another Insult removed.    - Azukii on copium thinking this game has no cheaters problem.

 

Nice insult removed there buddy. Shows how educated you are. Also, nice reading skills. Might wanna pick it up a bit, will come in handy later on in life. And yes, I am 100% special. I made that the focal point of my existence and in everything I said that I am superior to everyone.

 

Get your head out of your behind please lmao. Just the simple fact bronze is the only populated district, and it barely pushes 40 total daily, shows you that part of what I said is right. When we have a silver/gold day, it goes up to 70, and even saw 40/40 the other day. And every person I played, didn't find a single cheater.

[Hexerin 1140]

On 8/7/2021 at 8:33 AM, Euxoa said:

They're my friends, they can't be cheating!

[Euxoa 17]

6 hours ago, Hexerin said:

A lot of friends I play with are friends of many years on APB, and friends of outside APB. So what was the point of that?

[Darkzero3802 611]

G1 back in the day went with a single easy to bypass hack detection system and nothing else with no active GM over watch, which failed epically. LO since taking over has continued this practice with the same results regardless of which hack detection used. So long as the same known failed system continues to be used this problem will forever plague APB. Also so long as the community embraces hacks and cheats of any kind and doesnt shun those who are known hackers they will continue to flaunt them. We the community have a part to play in this as well.

[Uhtdred 238]

i would rather lose against blatant cheaters/shawcopters/speedhackers than against a closet cheater, especially when most closet cheaters LOVE to group with veterans legit players that whenever you call them "closet cheaters" those veterans instantly deny it even tho they KNOW they are cheaters.

 

right now grouping with a veteran make you look legit.

 

closet cheaters killed this game.

 

 

[KillerHippie 3]

On 8/4/2021 at 6:00 AM, Bambola said:

For eleven years of playing, no one, not even a single time, accused you of cheating? I find this highly unlikely to be true, regardless of your actual skill set.

Oh I have been accused of cheating a lot over the years. But it was typically by cheaters who were caught in the act. I have also had cheaters whisper me and and ask how was I beating their cheats. Which is easy if you under stand the maps, game play, weapons and actual strategy of the game. It all come down to what I I always whisper to them.

Remember that bots can not do objectives, that is why you lost again.

[Eerie 16]

This is all opinion, and as such should be taken with a grain of salt.

In the past three weeks I have found the APB administration and staff to be falling back to the old G1 ways. Many players are being banned speaking out about various issues while in-game, or being flat out banned for expressing opinions/views about how Little Orbit staff/volunteer GMs have been handling situations. Additionally, there has been a number of bans that have raised brows with regards to the reasoning to back them. Personally, if a volunteer member, such as a GM, makes the decision to revoke an account it should be done so with a reason as well as proof of the action. While the ToS states that Little Orbit itself reserves the right to revoke account access for any reason without warning, let it be said that GMs are not official staff of Little Orbit, but as mentioned volunteers. Whats more, there have been conversations carried out in private that have suggested that some GMs do in fact partake in favoritism within the community and the players in it, despite the clause for their application stating that favoritism is not acceptable.
I personally have not been subject to any of the aforementioned bannings, in fact I have never been banned, to my recollection. I have spoken to individuals that have been, receiving final warnings that should another offense take place then their accounts would be revoked permanently, despite the fact that the original reason for issuing was in fact false. Upon requesting proof, the GM that carried out the punishment denied credibility to back the temporary banning and warning. When it comes to speech in-game, I believe it necessary to provide proof, as the GMs themselves are human and could make mistakes and ban the wrong person, it happened with G1, it is ignorance to suggest that LO is not subject to human error.
To add further, its come apparent that perhaps there is a GM, or two, that could be abusing their power. Though it is hearsay, there are rumors circulating that if one were to question a GM, or ask about the anti-cheat in game, that they would be met with threats of banning. Again, rumors and speculation, but if this is happening then perhaps it is in LO's best interest to proceed with investigating these allegations; lest we have another G1 situation arise. The rift between community members and GMs is once again growing, and once again leading players to not trust the volunteer members of APB enforcement.

To conclude, as mentioned this is all opinion, and while I have not touched on the topic of rampant cheaters, I will say that GMs absolutely should be required to investigate potential cheaters in-game. Perhaps not when mentioned in-game about it, but with enough reports about players are made. The GMs are here to enforce the ToS, and cheating is a part of that. 

[CookiePuss 5378]

11 minutes ago, Eerie said:

~snip~

No one is getting banned for criticizing.

 

GMs cant ban.

 

All bans are manually reviewed.

[Eerie 16]

22 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

No one is getting banned for criticizing.

 

GMs cant ban.

 

All bans are manually reviewed.

While you may be a member of the SPCT, GMs can in fact ban people, having had a GM say so to me them self through a discord conversation.

 

Edit: Most times they are required to check with a member of LO Administration before hand, but they can in fact process bans.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Eerie

[Sakebee 2270]

39 minutes ago, Eerie said:

This is all opinion, and as such should be taken with a grain of salt.

In the past three weeks I have found the APB administration and staff to be falling back to the old G1 ways. Many players are being banned speaking out about various issues while in-game, or being flat out banned for expressing opinions/views about how Little Orbit staff/volunteer GMs have been handling situations. Additionally, there has been a number of bans that have raised brows with regards to the reasoning to back them. Personally, if a volunteer member, such as a GM, makes the decision to revoke an account it should be done so with a reason as well as proof of the action. While the ToS states that Little Orbit itself reserves the right to revoke account access for any reason without warning, let it be said that GMs are not official staff of Little Orbit, but as mentioned volunteers. Whats more, there have been conversations carried out in private that have suggested that some GMs do in fact partake in favoritism within the community and the players in it, despite the clause for their application stating that favoritism is not acceptable.
I personally have not been subject to any of the aforementioned bannings, in fact I have never been banned, to my recollection. I have spoken to individuals that have been, receiving final warnings that should another offense take place then their accounts would be revoked permanently, despite the fact that the original reason for issuing was in fact false. Upon requesting proof, the GM that carried out the punishment denied credibility to back the temporary banning and warning. When it comes to speech in-game, I believe it necessary to provide proof, as the GMs themselves are human and could make mistakes and ban the wrong person, it happened with G1, it is ignorance to suggest that LO is not subject to human error.
To add further, its come apparent that perhaps there is a GM, or two, that could be abusing their power. Though it is hearsay, there are rumors circulating that if one were to question a GM, or ask about the anti-cheat in game, that they would be met with threats of banning. Again, rumors and speculation, but if this is happening then perhaps it is in LO's best interest to proceed with investigating these allegations; lest we have another G1 situation arise. The rift between community members and GMs is once again growing, and once again leading players to not trust the volunteer members of APB enforcement.

To conclude, as mentioned this is all opinion, and while I have not touched on the topic of rampant cheaters, I will say that GMs absolutely should be required to investigate potential cheaters in-game. Perhaps not when mentioned in-game about it, but with enough reports about players are made. The GMs are here to enforce the ToS, and cheating is a part of that. 

Our CS team reviews all bans. Any ban is vetted by an internal investigation. We have confidence in our GMs as they volunteer their time to help manage the APB community. If there are claims of GMs "threatening bans" or behaving in ways that you believe are inappropriate, the best way to handle this is to send screenshots to the support team for review. We will take appropriate action. Posting rumors and hearsay on the forums is not productive.

We do not ban users for expressing an opinion provided they do so following our TOS and community guidelines.

Finally, it is not a GM's responsibility to investigate cheating in game. If you believe someone is cheating, please contact our support team (support@gamersfirst.com). They will conduct the necessary investigations.

[Eerie 16]

21 minutes ago, Sakebee said:

Our CS team reviews all bans. Any ban is vetted by an internal investigation. We have confidence in our GMs as they volunteer their time to help manage the APB community. If there are claims of GMs "threatening bans" or behaving in ways that you believe are inappropriate, the best way to handle this is to send screenshots to the support team for review. We will take appropriate action. Posting rumors and hearsay on the forums is not productive.

We do not ban users for expressing an opinion provided they do so following our TOS and community guidelines.

Finally, it is not a GMs responsibility to investigate cheating in game. If you believe someone is cheating, please contact our support team (support@gamersfirst.com). They will conduct the necessary investigations.

Players have been banned for expressing opinions well within the bounds of the ToS through the display points in social. Example, this meme...

http://prntscr.com/1z6y8lb

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by Eerie

[CookiePuss 5378]

5 minutes ago, Eerie said:

Players have been banned for expressing opinions well within the bounds of the ToS through the display points in social. Example, this meme...

http://prntscr.com/1z6y8lb

 

Prove that got someone banned.