Little Orbit support Cheaters or what ?

[Fortune Runner 796]

10 hours ago, LilyV3 said:

Well, Definately would go wrong a lot, yet why label them game masters if they cannot master anything in the game? That made no sense ever.

SPCM label made more sense because.

 

still a lot if you consider your pop is only 10 people

 

but if you can convince LO to bring it back to the east coast, many of us Europeans will populate it again.

At low times I've seen 150 at high times 300

Only mentioning this because some people actually  believe Jericho has nobody at all like Han did

[CookiePuss 5373]

5 minutes ago, LoveForMatt said:

 

 

I am strongly suspicious that ddos is a punishment for banning cheaters... so they are kinda forced to unban or turn the eyes to other side. 

Please tell me that's a joke, Katchwi.

[Thaumaturge 83]

22 hours ago, Rebelliousness said:

Your claim is I'm wrong to say there are cheats?  Are u serious?

1. I'm pretty confident the Russian video shows a triggerbot, esp the accuracy at the distances he was firing which are pretty darn hard and rare without a cheat.  Do you really think it's helpful to be so biased in this convo as to claim "no one is cheating?"

2. No spread has been claimed by hack sites and is part of their cheat package.  People "floating and flying in the air" are also supposed to not be a thing, but MrEpicGoat did it in Social.

No, my claim is that you don't know a cheater when you see one because you are claiming things that are LEGITIMATELY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE VIA EXPLOIT, BUGS, GLITCH, HACK, CHEAT, or otherwise and accusing players of doing them, WITH NO PROOF.

 

Nobody is claiming "no one is cheating", in that video however, it certainly doesn't look like he is cheating. Stop moving the goalposts and stop taking shit out of context.

 

It doesn't matter what they claim, in the past it worked, but it hasn't for years, that much is a fact. Floating and flying in the air has nothing to do with a hack or a cheat, it has to do with an exploit, the same with a bunch of speedhacks that were used previously. Anyone could do it, and nobody needed money, risked anticheat ban, or anything related for doing so because it wasn't a cheat. I'll say it again, you don't have the slightest fucking clue about what you're talking about, you are just pretending you do because your ego is hurt by people who beat you.

21 hours ago, NikkiCasinoKnows said:

Feeling OP's post. @Kreedz People currently feel quite comfortable in showing off their stuff, for example if they have a speed-hack. No secret here, so to repeat the record once more; for a speed-hack to go undetected by a running battleye, is complete BS... so we can openly state here that there must a way to disable / bypass the battleye we have now. From there on we can explain why we see too much cheaters.

Yes this is bad, but it also cannot go unnoticed. I dare to say we can be damn sure LO takes notice of this. Battleye probably knows as well. The game engine update might be needed to get the fully updated battleye (new version) and better battleye support. MattScott has also stated they are looking at additional approaches to keep the game more clean. But again the game engine update might be needed first. Keep reporting them though. I'll do the same.

Big hint for you, it's probably not undetected, they are probably banned in waves. Golly gee, howd you figure that out Thaumaturge? Well, its simple my dear friend Nikki, it's called five minutes of google investigation and It was immediately obviously pretty much every anticheat in existence bans in waves. I'm so tired of posting this, but, if you want to know how BE works, or any other industry standard anticheat works, contact me privately, and I will explain it to you the best I can. If my explanation is not enough, I can probably put you in touch with someone who spent over 6 years in the industry.

18 hours ago, EvoTron said:

SO not here for drama i just wanted to find out about cheats here again in APB.... I so wiish this shit could be delt with.. but the fact is we live in a world where kids thinks its good to hack...

 

this is a big thing  "ALL games".. every game online has cheaters in it... u go to every game forum an theres posts about cheaters... thats in pay to play games as well as free to play.. free to play games get just mashed up by hackers...i really dont think theres any way to stop them 100%..

 

End of the day ive played a long long time..in the time >> befor hackers <<when u had to aiim yourself .. it was the most fun lolz.. im not a good player id say im a mid silver lvl..real golds eat me easy.. 

 

But becuz of so much cheating i dont know whos just killed me by being good or killed me cuz they cheating noobs..i wish i could play an beleave there not hackers..and alot r not theye just kick my patootie..

but the ones who r cheating u can tell so easy..they kill your whole team over an over.. they got 4 people shoting them ..they just jump round shootin an cant miss "1 down" jump 2 "down.an so on.. snapin from taget to target.. now me im not evan near where this going on next thing u know im dead from same player who was just like the other side of the map killing my teams mates then he/she/it..is there next to me .."how the **** he get there.."ive seen teleporters..ive seen speed hackers...ive never seen a GM do anything but talk ,an tell people "dont name an shame"..

 

we all LOVE this game... i have tryed an tryed to quit.. i got every game out there..but i cant stop playing APB.. when u have a good day where theres maybe 1 or 2 hackers..its epic.. some good people here..

i got kids they have watched me play this for years .."crazy" why dont u play something eles..allways APB...and i say just look at my chars..alot of work an money gone in to them..

im a real player i dont want to cheat id not put in google>>"where to find cheats for online games"  what ive come to get is this.. the reson and its the only reson they cheat "" cuz there really shit people in real life.. have it rough an want others to suffer.. its a form of bullying... whats the point in all this hes saying... its the same as any other convo we had here for years...just venting rage,..chating dodo..

 

maybe noone will know me..i play bronze "yes im that bad" i used to play silver as >>TR0N>>but damm hackers can hide in silver to easy >>anyway enjoy>>

 

There is noone like me in APB..thats what makes APB great..u can make yourself  stand out..its not P2W >>its Pay to look epic !!! 

 

 

You are right, every game always has cheaters in it. APB has always had cheaters, but, right now there are less cheaters than there have ever been. I really doubt you have the knowledge to determine if the players you are facing are cheating, just like most of these other encounters, a big part of it has less to do with you and more to do with all the bugs present in the game.

7 hours ago, Kreedz said:

If It is true, I apologize for that. To be honest, I don't remember that situation. Maybe I had a bad day to. My bad. Fight club is the number one place, where we can see these lifeless humanoids. And I can't understand how these people play blatantly for months. So yeah, my patiance can be lost very quickly, sorry. They just be like : Hey, look everybody ! I'm cheating, and nobody gives a f***k about it. 

And some people say "it's not a speedhack, just ephirine and Fraggile". I bet everybody can make a difference between being fast and teleporting all over the map with extreme speed. No, It's not lag, lag is random. But this speed teleporting is controlled. Some people have too much free time, really.

GM's power questions: Look guys, in many games, GM's have the power to ban a player. In a normal case, GMs would only ban If they make sure if someone is not a legit player. Their power is responsibility, but they are responsible of their decision. If the developer team gives them the opportunity to monitor their actions, and MAYBE a feature like CSGO's overwatch, it would be easier. Speedhack and blatant snapping, etc can recognizable by other players, but there are cheat types that is hard. Like smooth aim, varriable delay triggerbot, etc. Monitoring maybe solve this. Some genius with 70-80 IQ, upload videos on youtube, and smooth aim is also recognizable.
 

I see people complain about a few people i know being "blatant cheaters", same people have also a) never been banned in anything to my or their knowledge and b) play at high competitive levels in several games. Yet, people like you make posts about them.

 

Stop making posts like this, because you don't know what you're talking about, and most of the time you will not know if someone is using a tbot or an aimbot. Speedhacks are obvious, I will give you that.

 

 

 

So many ignorant individuals, I actually don't even have to energy to properly reply to all of you, holy shit.

[Rebelliousness 85]

59 minutes ago, Thaumaturge said:

No, my claim is that you don't know a cheater when you see one because you are claiming things that are LEGITIMATELY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE VIA EXPLOIT, BUGS, GLITCH, HACK, CHEAT, or otherwise and accusing players of doing them, WITH NO PROOF.

 

Nobody is claiming "no one is cheating", in that video however, it certainly doesn't look like he is cheating.  -snip-

 

So many ignorant individuals, I actually don't even have to energy to properly reply to all of you, holy shit.

Writing a ginormous wall of text doesn't make you right.  APB has had multiple hacks since RTW. APB continues to have the same vulnerable code and literally nothing has been done to change that simple fact... ergo, one does not need a PhD from Hackuversity to establish the plain and simple truth, that APB has bad code, a lot of vulnerabilities, exploits, and multiple hacks exist for it.  Now we can debate until the cows come home whether the Russian guy in the video is legit or not. The only reason you aren't defending the video with Goat in it, is due to his extreme hacker notoriety... but had it been the same video but an unknown name, you would have defended it too.

It doesn't matter if you believe there are no such thing as this kind of hack, or that kind of cheat or ... wait let's split hairs macro is NOT a hack, it's an exploit and on and on writing stupidly long blocks of text.  It's SIMPLE.  APB is an old game, with vulnerable code for which hundreds of variations of cheats have been written for... tons of exploits have been found for... Most of us playing APB for awhile have seen or heard of a lot of shenanigans.... impossible shenanigans, whether or not the forum defenders deny it. if the aim is "consistently" too good.. If the gun being used is "consistently" too rapid in target acquisition, and too accurate from outside it's intended range... that is "likely" an aimbot. Why attack players for the "reasonable" suspicion? Oh wait, yeah right because, we're all MORONS... but the players who have gotten away with cheating for years and dumpster fire'd this whole game... are the pros.
 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2019 by Rebelliousness

[CookiePuss 5373]

34 minutes ago, Rebelliousness said:

~snip~

 

 

[Thaumaturge 83]

40 minutes ago, Rebelliousness said:

Writing a ginormous wall of text doesn't make you right.  APB has had multiple hacks since RTW. APB continues to have the same vulnerable code and literally nothing has been done to change that simple fact... ergo, one does not need a PhD from Hackuversity to establish the plain and simple truth, that APB has bad code, a lot of vulnerabilities, exploits, and multiple hacks exist for it.  Now we can debate until the cows come home whether the Russian guy in the video is legit or not. The only reason you aren't defending the video with Goat in it, is due to his extreme hacker notoriety... but had it been the same video but an unknown name, you would have defended it too. I never said it didn't to both hackers or vulnerable code. I am aware, but there is a difference between cheating and exploiting. Im not defending Goat because regardless of name, he is blatantly cheating. If someone isn't blatantly cheating, im going to do the rational thing and assume they are better than me (and yes, contrary to popular belief, it is the rational thing to do.). I would assume that because i end up becoming a better player with that mentality, and, more often than not, they aren't cheating.

It doesn't matter if you believe there are no such thing as this kind of hack, or that kind of cheat or ... wait let's split hairs macro is NOT a hack, it's an exploit and on and on writing stupidly long blocks of text.  It's SIMPLE.  APB is an old game, with vulnerable code for which hundreds of variations of cheats have been written for... tons of exploits have been found for... Most of us playing APB for awhile have seen or heard of a lot of shenanigans.... impossible shenanigans, whether or not the forum defenders deny it. if the aim is "consistently" too good.. If the gun being used is "consistently" too rapid in target acquisition, and too accurate from outside it's intended range... that is "likely" an aimbot. Why attack players for the "reasonable" suspicion? Oh wait, yeah right because, we're all MORONS... but the players who have gotten away with cheating for years and dumpster fire'd this whole game... are the pros. I don't "believe it", what I claim, I know for a fact. You can't dispute facts, and if you don't believe it, I assume you know how to "test" your belief. I've played APB since RTW Beta, and whats odd is, I see a few questionable things, but, it's always the lower skilled players with huge egos who go off on tangents like yours. Your suspicion isn't reasonable, and you have no evidence to back it up. You are literally ignoring the majority of my posts and going back to rambling on about how cheaters exist. No shit, what do you expect me to say. Go back, re-read my first three posts, and make an actual argument related to the argument itself or beat it dweeb, jesus christ.
 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2019 by Thaumaturge

[Defibrillator 132]

4 hours ago, Rebelliousness said:

-snip-

 

Whenever i see speed hackers, this is what comes to my mind. I let out a laugh, i stop disturbing them and let them have their fun. YEEHAW YEEHAW

[yood 345]

7 hours ago, Thaumaturge said:

 

 

I agree with you that too many players simply not competent to argue 100% use cheats.

[LilyV3 323]

21 hours ago, CookiePuss said:

Which 13 times banned cheater are we talking about? And what did you mean with the rest of this word soup?

There are both volunteer (player) GMs as well as GMs who are actually employed by LO. 

But yeah, even when they are present, which at least on Jericho is almost never, they are more or less useless. I'm honestly not even sure why they exist. They did sometimes kick players during autumn assault (when they weren't asking players to let others win lol) but even then players just rejoined. They do silence players, but if words are that much of an issue for you, probs should just get off the internet. Any mention of cheating is just met with "please report". So yeah... feminine features on a boar basically. 

 

Also, your second point was pretty funny... You got me there! Lol

GMs do not kick for being gold in bronze as it's not against any rules. 

The issue is, those GM's have not even any tools to silently follow any of the accused cheaters. but the kicking abilities good for events like Halloween where all that stupid wall glitchers appeared.

 

that thing about the boar, Sounds like it would make some of those furry happy

[CookiePuss 5373]

55 minutes ago, LilyV3 said:

The issue is, those GM's have not even any tools to silently follow any of the accused cheaters. but the kicking abilities good for events like Halloween where all that stupid wall glitchers appeared.

 

that thing about the boar, Sounds like it would make some of those furry happy

I know the ability to spectate players exists and was used in the past, I just do not know if that ability has been granted to the current generation of volunteer GMs. We could ask @Lixil but that may be a detail Little Orbit doesn't want to share. 

[Kanashimi 39]

On 1/7/2019 at 9:05 AM, CookiePuss said:

Yeah Im gonna pass on having some random players given the power to ban lol.

Also random players being in SPCT

[CookiePuss 5373]

8 minutes ago, AOSCMP said:

Also random players being in SPCT

Yeah but at least we don't have any power over anyone or anything.

[Fortune Runner 796]

16 hours ago, Rebelliousness said:

APB continues to have the same vulnerable code and literally nothing has been done to change that simple fact

Little Orbit is already cleaning up code and reworking stuff. They are already working on exploits used before. Please give credit where it is due.

[Rebelliousness 85]

19 hours ago, CookiePuss said:

And this proves?  Are you saying there are no more speed hackers, for example simple because this is a video from 2015?  Because the point was in answer to : " because you are claiming things that are LEGITIMATELY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE VIA EXPLOIT, BUGS, GLITCH, HACK, CHEAT, or otherwise and accusing players of doing them, WITH NO PROOF."  And my point was... oh hell yeah a lot of shenanigans are possible and have been for a long, long time.

2 hours ago, Fortune Runner said:

Little Orbit is already cleaning up code and reworking stuff. They are already working on exploits used before. Please give credit where it is due.

When the game is actually in an improved state... I will give credit. until then I don't see anything but degenerated server performance... and the same old shenanigans albeit less, since the playerbase is shrunken into a whole lot less.

[Rebelliousness 85]

19 hours ago, Thaumaturge said:

I never said it didn't to both hackers or vulnerable code. I am aware, but there is a difference between cheating and exploiting. Im not defending Goat because regardless of name, he is blatantly cheating. If someone isn't blatantly cheating, im going to do the rational thing and assume they are better than me 

You realize that all your block of text posts are ranting that when I claim there are cheaters.... you claim I'm a moron, wrong and no they are not cheating.... since I already said I'm just responding to the OP and not about splitting hairs if this is a cheat, that is an exploit and so forth... I won't answer you any longer.  Your just creating a smokescreen of denial and diversion... wonder why... /thinks

[ShaiShai 130]

20 hours ago, Rebelliousness said:

Writing a ginormous wall of text doesn't make you right.  APB has had multiple hacks since RTW. APB continues to have the same vulnerable code and literally nothing has been done to change that simple fact... ergo, one does not need a PhD from Hackuversity to establish the plain and simple truth, that APB has bad code, a lot of vulnerabilities, exploits, and multiple hacks exist for it.  Now we can debate until the cows come home whether the Russian guy in the video is legit or not. The only reason you aren't defending the video with Goat in it, is due to his extreme hacker notoriety... but had it been the same video but an unknown name, you would have defended it too.

It doesn't matter if you believe there are no such thing as this kind of hack, or that kind of cheat or ... wait let's split hairs macro is NOT a hack, it's an exploit and on and on writing stupidly long blocks of text.  It's SIMPLE.  APB is an old game, with vulnerable code for which hundreds of variations of cheats have been written for... tons of exploits have been found for... Most of us playing APB for awhile have seen or heard of a lot of shenanigans.... impossible shenanigans, whether or not the forum defenders deny it. if the aim is "consistently" too good.. If the gun being used is "consistently" too rapid in target acquisition, and too accurate from outside it's intended range... that is "likely" an aimbot. Why attack players for the "reasonable" suspicion? Oh wait, yeah right because, we're all MORONS... but the players who have gotten away with cheating for years and dumpster fire'd this whole game... are the pros.
 

 

 

so apperntly we are still in 2015?

this video is old as fuck man

[CookiePuss 5373]

38 minutes ago, Rebelliousness said:

And this proves?  Are you saying there are no more speed hackers, for example simple because this is a video from 2015?

The most recent exploit allowing for speedhacking has been patched out, yes.

This is how cheats work, cheaters find one exploit, devs fix it, cheaters look for another and so on and so forth.

 

But my point was you are claiming things exist currently, and yet cannot show any proof to back it up.

[Fortune Runner 796]

1 hour ago, Rebelliousness said:

When the game is actually in an improved state... I will give credit. until then I don't see anything but degenerated server performance... and the same old shenanigans albeit less, since the playerbase is shrunken into a whole lot less.

And yet they have already done the work to show this and you give no credit.

It has always been public knowledge by Little Orbit briefing us on what has been going on this whole time.

 

48 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

The most recent exploit allowing for speedhacking has been patched out, yes.

This is how cheats work, cheaters find one exploit, devs fix it, cheaters look for another and so on and so forth.

 

But my point was you are claiming things exist currently, and yet cannot show any proof to back it up.

I agree.

I have seen no valid solid proof of current cheating that is being claimed on this thread.

Plenty of speculation though on this thread , but no solid proof. *shrugs*

 

On a side note :

 

Most accusations I have seen lately was not over hacking but the typical "daily I am silver"  as well as potato computers , and even someone

openly saying multiple games at once (self lagging is bad folks) so of course I am skeptical when someone claims " hacker" but I am sincerely listening but without solid

proof it is not fair to condemn people to death.

I do this because it is best to be fair and impartial to the best of my ability.

 

We all know by now  hopefully  , that no anti cheat blocks 100 percent of cheats.

And  on Jericho at least we have not seen many hackers at all since BattleEye.

I personally only witnessed one and they have never been back since then.

 

I will try my best to be fair and impartial , and as such , outdated evidence from before Little Orbit can not be considered valid given the facts of everything updated and added such as BattleEye since then.

 

If someone does suspect someone use the /report feature and try to record for a long time rather than only a minute or two.

Aim for around the whole 30 minute match with them and possibly multiple matches if you can , and then it can show Little Orbit as well as the community more solid evidence.

 

 

Edited January 10, 2019 by Fortune Runner

[Thaumaturge 83]

2 hours ago, Rebelliousness said:

You realize that all your block of text posts are ranting that when I claim there are cheaters.... you claim I'm a moron, wrong and no they are not cheating.... since I already said I'm just responding to the OP and not about splitting hairs if this is a cheat, that is an exploit and so forth... I won't answer you any longer.  Your just creating a smokescreen of denial and diversion... wonder why... /thinks

You literally claimed people were using nospread against you. They aren't, I pointed out that to you, you then went and started bringing up people speedhacking and aimbotting in general and completely ignored the original comments.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Thaumaturge

[Regenance 59]

There are cheats, there will always be. I think LO doing their best in the current state to force those cheaters from keep staying in the game. Anyways, the game currently full of bugs that I think LO is on it cleaning the shitty code the game has and they may be working on fixing those bugs such as the speed-hack and so on you may have seen used by cheaters. So basically they're doing their best to make the game great again. I can't see why you keep replying with the game comments but in different variations, Although I hope this year will change the game from head to bottom, the concept is awesome but the code has a lot of work. 

[LilyV3 323]

SPCT is another one of these, "Why?" things

 

SPCT people are supposed to test stuff, I have no idea why they need that label in public. Should be hidden.

[Jazeker 1082]

12 hours ago, CookiePuss said:

The most recent exploit allowing for speedhacking has been patched out, yes.

This is how cheats work, cheaters find one exploit, devs fix it, cheaters look for another and so on and so forth.

^^^ This

That's why an important part of the process is reporting (new) offenders, and we got a specific update in this area from LO, to actually do just exactly that. It's not an easy cat and mouse game and it never will be.

 

For example; following can be a waste of time with serious cheaters, as with the current code a cheater can tell if a hidden gm is in the district. See what I mean? I don't want to go into details but this finally might be fixed with the engine update.

 

Maybe the most important part is talking about it (in a decent manner), denying this stuff happens (in any game) is just so 1999.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Jazeker
omg i can edit gaiiissee i lubb yuu

[CookiePuss 5373]

2 hours ago, LilyV3 said:

SPCT is another one of these, "Why?" things

 

SPCT people are supposed to test stuff, I have no idea why they need that label in public. Should be hidden.

I felt the same way tbh, but I think in the end it was more important to LO that they be transparent about who we are.

GMs need the anonymity because they can and do take action against players, whereas all we do is test stuff.

[Rebelliousness 85]

17 hours ago, ShaiShai said:

so apperntly we are still in 2015?

this video is old as fuck man

You realize no one can post any new videos without having them deleted for "name and shame" and since this is a discussion about "denying" hacks exist for APB, the point is simply proved by an abundance of old videos showing the obvious.  I didn't comment here to call out anyone, but anybody logging in and playing for awhile, especially on Citadel is going to encounter shenanigans.  

1. There's an old debate where people claim no-spread is a thing.  I don't code hacks so I don't honestly know.  Hack sites advertise them for this game.  Maybe it's just a variant of hacks used for other games and is just another no recoil.  In any event hack sites still advertise no recoil/no spread for APB.  Anyone can look them up. The fact that hack companies are selling them makes the discussion pointless.  Something is available out there which simple denials don't resolve. (All the particulars are removed, just a direct copy paste of what ads are selling... as of today) 

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2. I think it's hella WOW that ANYONE believes LO or G1 "patched out" old hacks, and that new code getting around those patches hasn't already been reformulated by million dollar hack companies... I just think the entire conversation is disingenuous and intended to blanket deny any possibility and therefore minimize the actual condition of the game.  Let me simply take Cookiepuss prior statement, whether it was a joke or not, that there's only 3 people hacking on Jericho... on a district of 60 players (30:30)... everybody playing is encountering them. The point of the OP was LO needs to do more.  If all you HAVE is a population of 60 active players... and 3 of those are hacking... your game is infiltrated. Having GMs spectate randomly over time would be the best thing.  Yes, players are biased so the company needs to get that game updated or have more GMs randomly in-game actively spectating.

4.  And yes, I don't advocate permanent bans, they just create the rager reroll syndrome.  A system of faster kicks out of game temporarily would make the active cheaters a lot more of a "short-term" encounter... a lot more livable solution then months long investigations where absolutely nothing at all is done.

[Rebelliousness 85]

16 hours ago, Thaumaturge said:

You literally claimed people were using nospread against you. They aren't, I pointed out that to you, you then went and started bringing up people speedhacking and aimbotting in general and completely ignored the original comments.

I'm trying to ignore you because all you are saying is one huge rant of denial.  And, it doesn't matter if it's 1. no-spread or no-recoil, or 2. macro or mouse software, or 3. exploit or bug.  Shenanigans need to be better moderated, especially in a dramatically shrinking game population.  Yes, I ignored your comments because it's like the tar-baby from Disney... if you punch it once, your whole arm just gets sucked up inside and trapped in the damn goo.  W/e "no-spread" is or isn't... hack companies are still selling it for APB.  That alone leads me to believe, despite vociferous denials... that it's a thing.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Rebelliousness