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8 hours ago, CookiePuss said:

Dumbest thing I've read in a while. 

I guess you fail to understand the IMMENSE popularity of Fairfight bans and the flame forum where an aggrieved population could actually verbalize how it REALLY felt towards the cheater population.  It was a valiant attempt that was quite popular.  This new code of no one dare call out cheaters or hurt their feelings... and mass unbanning while failing in every respect to implement ANY sort of useful anticheat mechanism... is actually the dumbest damn way to manage a game like APB.

And the FAILURE of it is in the POPULATION STATISTICS. Hey, Tiggs managed to ban 14,000 accounts... she seems to have lost her mind at some point and banned nearly everybody but it was a valiant effort... COMPARE IT TO THE NOTHING WE HAVE NOW AND THE RAGEBOT CHEATFEST ONGOING.  LO failed so damn hard it's ludicrous to argue on their behalf.

And Matt Scott can only DREAM about 14,000 accounts to ban when only some 400 are left that bother to log in and play.

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On 2/19/2021 at 6:23 PM, Spy said:

Because getting gold is to easy to get. Adding another rank makes the gap between high silver/low gold and high gold bigger, 'forcing' the blatants and closets to diamond is then icing on the cake.

Instead of adding new threat level, LO should try rebalance threat levels, or bring back the old threat system.

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59 minutes ago, xHenryman90x said:

Instead of adding new threat level, LO should try rebalance threat levels, or bring back the old threat system.

Not enough population for that.

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18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

G1 put new weapons and contacts in the game, gave us the Asylum district, new packs and clothes.

g1 recycled rtw content until they ran out, and then gave a half-hearted attempt at their own original content before completely giving up and selling the ip

 

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

They also tried valiantly, but vainly to ban cheaters and abusive TOS breakers.

g1, the company that "valiantly" decided to keep punkbuster - an anticheat universally renowned for being worse than useless - around for 4 years?

 

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

What did LO give us?  1. UNBAN CHEATERS 2. IMPLEMENT AN EASILY BYPASSED ANTICHEAT... recommended by cheaters ofc. 3. BREAK WORKING GUNS IN THE NAME OF BALANCE UTTERLY CLUELESS TO GAME NEEDS. 4. SCOLD PLAYERS FOR CALLING OUT ChEATERS (to protect their gentle reputations) AND MAKE DETHREATING LEGIT SO BRONZE DISTRICT WOULD GET DAILY SLAMMED BY PREMADE GOLDS AND CHEATERS.

  1. g1 unbanned everyone banned by punkbuster
  2. g1 kept punkbuster for years, then switched to fairfight, then stopped paying for and updating fairfight
  3. g1 is ultimately responsible for basically all the horrible balance over the years, it all stems from their initial sweeping ttk change
  4. g1 created and enforced the 'name and shame' policy
  5. g1 created the dethreating problem via threat locks and substandard anticheats

you've got rose tinted lenses so thick you can't even see that g1 has done everything you're accusing little orbit of

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

Content?  RIOT was a basically good "idea" terribly and unsoundly implemented and poorly conceived for this game... but could, if done differently, been excellent... added contacts and such BUT DIDN'T.

riot was trash, BR doesnt fit with apb gameplay

 

fun fact: riot was partially completed leftover content from g1

 

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

LO failed in the first 2 years to do ANYTHING

standardized and lowered armas prices (that were set by g1)

lifted false bans (from g1)

switched to a working anticheat (because g1 stopped paying for and updating ff)

added a bunch of f2p stuff to the joker store (that g1 abandoned)

communication all throughout (unlike g1's radio silence)

 

off the top of my head

 

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

they stopped the clientside anticheat.

we didn't have a client side anticheat until orbit purchased battleye services, because g1 decided we didnt need one

 

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

They can't afford to pay for any quality version of anticheat or keep it updated AT ALL

sounds more like g1 keeping punkbuster for years and then failing to pay for fairfight updates

 

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

and in EVERY RESPECT have RUINED THE GAME putting ALL THEIR EGGS into some hoped for, SLIGHT graphical improvement with horrifically worse performance in the form of ENGINE UPGRADE.... which STILL ISN'T CLOSE TO COMPLETION...

engine upgrade isnt about graphical improvements, yadda yadda yadda

 

a big reason its taking so long is because g1 mucked it up in the first place, and also signed contracts that require the consoles to be worked on at the same time

 

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

As I see it, the game and game population were a LOT more stable under G1

because you're seeing the aftermath of g1 milking apb dry and then selling the corpse before moving on

 

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

they tried to have some standards

lmao

 

 

18 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

LO ALWAYS catered to the smallest cheater clan crowd... who wanted the game to BULLY and WTFPWN legits and exterminate the population...

i think you've got your companies mixed up

 

one had a nebulous spct team who were never completely named, confirmed cheaters in official player groups (spcm, moderators, etc), numerous suspicious private ban/unban situations, and a CM who lied straight to the community's face

 

the other one is little orbit

 

 

9 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

I guess you fail to understand the IMMENSE popularity of Fairfight bans and the flame forum where an aggrieved population could actually verbalize how it REALLY felt towards the cheater population.  It was a valiant attempt that was quite popular.

ffbans was created and maintained by a player, it had nothing to do with g1

 

ffbans was a toxic cesspool at the best of times

 

its been confirmed that fairfight was used incorrectly, so all that toxic "verbalizing" definitely happened to legit/innocent players as well

 

ffbans was so popular that it encouraged cheaters to cheat more for the e-fame of being on the site, because they enjoyed the "flame forum"

 

 

9 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

And the FAILURE of it is in the POPULATION STATISTICS.

9 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

And Matt Scott can only DREAM about 14,000 accounts to ban when only some 400 are left that bother to log in and play.

9 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

Hey, Tiggs managed to ban 14,000 accounts... she seems to have lost her mind at some point and banned nearly everybody but it was a valiant effort

im not sure how you can put these sentences together and not realize that g1 is the reason this game is dead 

 

 

 

tl;dr - g1 was 100% trash and i'll fight anyone who says otherwise

 

 

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10 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

I guess you fail to understand the IMMENSE popularity of Fairfight bans and the flame forum where an aggrieved population could actually verbalize how it REALLY felt towards the cheater population.  It was a valiant attempt that was quite popular.  This new code of no one dare call out cheaters or hurt their feelings... and mass unbanning while failing in every respect to implement ANY sort of useful anticheat mechanism... is actually the dumbest damn way to manage a game like APB.

And the FAILURE of it is in the POPULATION STATISTICS. Hey, Tiggs managed to ban 14,000 accounts... she seems to have lost her mind at some point and banned nearly everybody but it was a valiant effort... COMPARE IT TO THE NOTHING WE HAVE NOW AND THE RAGEBOT CHEATFEST ONGOING.  LO failed so damn hard it's ludicrous to argue on their behalf.

And Matt Scott can only DREAM about 14,000 accounts to ban when only some 400 are left that bother to log in and play.

Tiggs were not affraid to ban cheaters or well known edgelord names even if they were streamers. She didnt ban everybody. There were reason behind all of it. She was best person to fight cheaters and all kind of supporters of cheating. She hated them. Now its cheat friendly enviroment and you can see the results. Where legits are silenced and cheaters can do whatever they want atm. From what ive seen and heared from previus guys in charge false bans were super rare thing. Ive seen how FF works and its really powerfull and best tool if you know how to use it.

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20 hours ago, Cyberlicious said:

As I see it, the game and game population were a LOT more stable under G1... they tried to have some standards. LO ALWAYS catered to the smallest cheater clan crowd... who wanted the game to BULLY and WTFPWN legits and exterminate the population...

LO failed on PR lvl. They wanted to bring new players by investing resources in stream community (like other companies) BUT they didnt realize that 3 lets say most popular streams (30-40 ppl watching xd, YUUGE!) that are led by cheaters are not bringing new players. Only other cheaters and they friends are watchign that crap. Thats that broken community who defend current system. LO simply didnt make a homework how to bring new players as each month pop is lower...
 

 

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37 minutes ago, DreAmGirL said:

Tiggs were not affraid to ban cheaters or well known edgelord names even if they were streamers. She didnt ban everybody. There were reason behind all of it. She was best person to fight cheaters and all kind of supporters of cheating. She hated them. Now its cheat friendly enviroment and you can see the results. Where legits are silenced and cheaters can do whatever they want atm. From what ive seen and heared from previus guys in charge false bans were super rare thing. Ive seen how FF works and its really powerfull and best tool if you know how to use it.

of course tiggs wasnt afraid to ban anyone, she could just use fairfight to pretend they were cheating and half the population would cheer her on

 

i'm not sure i would trust the people who were in charge when the questionable bans were happening on anything, let alone the questionable bans themselves

 

fairfight (assuming its properly paid for) is a nice complement to a decent client side anticheat, but on its own its junk - it doesn't matter how good it is at analyzing stats if it doesn't actually prevent people from launching the game with cheats enabled

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On 2/23/2021 at 7:35 AM, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA said:

g1 recycled rtw content until they ran out, and then gave a half-hearted attempt at their own original content before completely giving up and selling the ip

 

tl;dr - g1 was 100% trash and i'll fight anyone who says otherwise

Writing a massive wall of text doesn't make you right.  You obviously weren't even here at the time your speaking of. For a few years some of the original RTW staff worked for G1... they gave us that "new content."  APB was a dramatically better game under G1 than it ever has been under the absentee negligence of LO... whose mantra is "engine upgrade" and they do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE for the game, it's become abandonware, that's why there's virtually no population. You can fight all you like, but facts aren't on your side.  G1 as well as the onboard ex-RTW staff they once had came up against the same exact problem LO is facing with engine upgrade... there's so much unoptimized code that no one really knows for sure how it works or why it works... consequently, when RTW went from a massive gaming company to defunct... no one could really add very much.  But G1 actually did try and changed the game, not always for the better.  LO has done nothing but break guns and unban cheaters.

On 2/23/2021 at 8:43 AM, DreAmGirL said:

Tiggs were not affraid to ban cheaters or well known edgelord names even if they were streamers. She didnt ban everybody. There were reason behind all of it. She was best person to fight cheaters and all kind of supporters of cheating. She hated them. Now its cheat friendly enviroment and you can see the results. Where legits are silenced and cheaters can do whatever they want atm...

^ Quoted for truth.

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On 2/23/2021 at 9:30 AM, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA said:

of course tiggs wasnt afraid to ban anyone, she could just use fairfight to pretend they were cheating and half the population would cheer her on

 

i'm not sure i would trust the people who were in charge when the questionable bans were happening on anything, let alone the questionable bans themselves

 

fairfight (assuming its properly paid for) is a nice complement to a decent client side anticheat, but on its own its junk - it doesn't matter how good it is at analyzing stats if it doesn't actually prevent people from launching the game with cheats enabled

Fairfight works well in conjunction with a clientside anticheat and in-game GMs to spectate actual shenanigans.  Unfortunately, as G1's leadership invested in stupid phone app game and xbox wonders, the PC version of APB was drained of resources so that G1 couldn't afford to update their anticheat systems anymore... it's attempted G1 hosted Frost copycat was always an abysmal failure.  LO has nothing to brag about... they listened to cheater clans and dumped Punkbuster and installed FailEye... and then just abandoned policing the game at all.

On 2/23/2021 at 9:12 AM, DreAmGirL said:

LO failed on PR lvl. They wanted to bring new players by investing resources in stream community (like other companies) BUT they didnt realize that 3 lets say most popular streams (30-40 ppl watching xd, YUUGE!) that are led by cheaters are not bringing new players. Only other cheaters and they friends are watchign that crap. Thats that broken community who defend current system. LO simply didnt make a homework how to bring new players as each month pop is lower...

^Qft. The legit community now disavows APB and it's abusive, bully hackfest... and even when bothering to log in... and ending up forfeiting a retardedly imbalanced match... the bullies cry that legits don't die 40x in the match to make them happy.

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On 2/23/2021 at 1:01 PM, Nev said:

Not enough population for that.

Still better than adding more threat levels, regardless what amount of population is nowadays.

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I can see where LO wanted to go on the roadmap.  Streamers can be entertaining.  What was nice about Fairfight, it really did force closets to moderate their cheats... meaning... while they still toggled cheats... they did so minimally or periodically in a match so as not to skew FF statistics. Without something to measure extremely out or norm play values... there is no limit.  It used to be, under Fairfight, that someone logged a trainee account to ragebot and was quickly banned... such that these guys were behind the thousands of banned accounts.  Nowadays, people are full on ragebotting without even trying to mask the obvious... logging in accounts with names like Hacker.. and they have been playing since LO bought the company, with no fear of repercussions... and GMs log into District when THEY COMPLAIN someone is "hackusating them" and GM warns the legit HE can be banned for being "mean."

Now you wonder WHY there is such toilet bowl circling flush of population.

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On 2/23/2021 at 7:35 AM, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA said:

im not sure how you can put these sentences together and not realize that g1 is the reason this game is dead 


APB was in decline under G1's fiscal mismanagement.  Imagine a time when FF (or Tiggs) banned some 14,000 accounts... and there were still about 4,000 actively playing when they sold to LO.  Look around you, after what 2 years?  3 years? at what LO has done for the game. It is left with appropximately 3ish full districts on 1 server during primetime. Colby died. Joker died. Jericho became Han. LO dramatically destroyed APB listening to cheater fan club.

Once upon a time I played EQ PVP. The bigshot PVPers demanded a HARDCORE PVP server, where you could kill anyone anywhere, without safe zones... where victims couldn't get away or leave... The company listened to them... took away the safeguards that actually create the framework in which PVP can thrive and attract players.  It became a HARDCORE bullyfest all right.  thousands quit playing, and since 10 years now, PVP is dead in EQ.

Sometimes listening to a fool kills the genre. HARDCORE simply means breaking basic gameplay rules that create the environment of a functional game.

 

I LOVED EQ PVP server Sullon Zek. I mourned the passing of PVP in that game.  I LOVED APB... but I now mourn it's passing.  The sad thing is, the true fans who have invested in the game and love it, have no say... and if the company makes whooper mistakes that kill what they love... not a thing can be done.  We came to forums, and told our truth... and nobody worth a damn is listening, who has any power to save what is dying.  This is why, in near future, forums will be dead too.

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The best iteration of APB was, and always will be Russia's Innova server, with their in-game GMs and proprietary FROST anticheat, lower, reasonable Marketplace prices, and wonderful gun balancing.

Such a shame that desperate G1 pulled the plug on Innova, thinking to bring all the Russian players over... without any safeguards or intelligent policing of the game at all... Oh wait... was that LO?  Can't remember now... How I wish APB were alive and well on INNOVA server... Best damn time!  40 FULL districts to choose from, active, lively, happy game...

/tear

I wish Matt Scott would sell them or allow them to have the game.  And if he wanted to make money in North America... he could have his team COPY the wise game management they used.

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1 hour ago, Cyberlicious said:

The best iteration of APB was, and always will be Russia's Innova server,

I joined there in 2017, it was different and better in some aspects, unfortunately it was already nearly dead at that point.

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