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If you liken cheaters to crocodiles, APB is like one of those water holes in the African savannah that at first is pretty vast. There are some crocodiles in there managing to capture and eat a few of the animals coming to drink. In the end there is very little water left, lots of mud and the crocodiles are packed. The animals who tries to drink almost certainly gets eaten and most wont come near.

Running around with CQC in narrow hallways and placing the item in small rooms in Asylum, which you usually do for several hours every day, is extremely inviting for an OPGL counter. So that is how you get countered but you refuse to play any other way, so of course OPGL users, like me, can continue farming kills off of players exactly like you. If you don't want that to happen, then chose a different strategy, or continue dying from OPGL, only to go and make a new thread about how "imbalanced" OPGL is. You're banging your head against the wall, complaining that it hurts. You've chosen to continue being 1-dimensional, doing the same thing over and over, like in a loop, running the same hallways and rooms, around and around in asylum and then make yet another new thread about how the should change the game around you, to fit you. In that thread people try to talk to you in a civil way but you soon start insulting people who don't agree, resulting in even more dislike for your ideas. You even got us to vote about it this time. 63% don't agree. The people have spoken, which is what you wanted, since you made a vote. You hoped more people would be for your opinion, but the majority isn't. You reacted saying something about how people must have voted multiple times etc, as if that would only be true for one side. You would not have said that if they voted for your opinion. In a couple of months, by the time you make yet another new thread about this, you'll probably still be running in the same loop in asylum, cussing about OPGL users. Remember that it was your choice and not someone else's.

8 times out of 10 the ones I see take out their OPGL to counter someone using the "OP" OPGL in the other team, STILL can't beat it. They can't shoot like that other guy. Instead they come to the forums trying to get the OPGL nerfed so they wont have to feel like that again. Those saying there should be a windup timer: Windup timer solved the issue with the Osmaw years ago in a brilliant way because the rockets explode on impact. The OPGL doesn't. The OPGL already has a (silent) timer, for the explosions. On long range the grenades from it may explode instantly as it arrives, but if someone is skilled enough to hit on long range like that, it's because they are good with the weapon, and if you die instantly from one hit to the body from it, it's because it was a bulls-eye and they beat you, nothing else.

The only thing imbalanced about any of the explosive weapons themselves is that the damage radius of the Volcano is too large, as it also used to be for the percussion grenade.

How do you know? No I won't DM you (or anyone else) the links to those, sorry.

I told LO about a couple of them it. That's the only one I'm gonna tell. And let me tell you color based stuff can be very good. I'm an expert on those.

OH.. so I guess what you don't know about doesn't exist. You can easily search and find plenty of info on it that shows you are wrong about that.

They shouldn't approve edited .upk files anymore. There's some external object detection cheats that depend on those, spreading like the plague. Those cheats need it so that the characters are never hidden by nade explosions, car explosions, muzzle flash, fire, smoke and many other things. Make a list of the things you need to edit in APB for these cheats to work and there's an edit for basically every single one of them. To help people make it harder for these cheaters, this info is useful: The weaknesses with these cheats are: - Can't target players covered by fences etc (doesn't detect human shape) - Partly covered player models are harder to target. - Also targets pedestrians and friendly players. - Can incorrectly target the current object within FOV closest to human shape (minimal % of match to shape can be used though). - Some clothing items disrupting normal human outlines decreases the effectiveness of the bots (clothing items like the pointed tinfoil hat (hah!), wizard hat, backpacks, strange pointy shapes etc) other: - The cheats hog GPU power because the bots use an AI function running directly on the GPU. So minimal graphics, resolution etc is used. Overkill GPU makes them more effective, especially the new nvidia models which are specialized in AI functions with dedicated stuff for it. - Since they target the player model and the player model is often not in the actual center of the hitbox, accuracy suffers slightly from that. These bots are used on streams all the time. They were used in the unofficial APB tournament. So now you know how to make it harder for these cheaters as a player.

There's a very obvious answer to that question. Cheaters are basically never low tier. So of course when you see someone complain about it, they will very often be a low tier.

They don't know who is cheating. They can't see who is cheating. They can't detect who is cheating. ... unless it's a public cheat that anyone can get. Reporting anything, in any way, is pointless. But pointing it out on the forums will lead to people letting you know all the things you are doing wrong by posting about it. Isn't that lovely?

When you laugh at something because you don't believe it, but it's actually true, then it's just ignorance. Or like lack of... information.

What's the actual reason you blurted that out? ... because I can't imagine finding such a fairly unimpressive statement so inconceivable that I'd start laughing hysterically.

Honestly, I don't even believe that you really think that. He shot the ntec at full auto without moving the mouse vertically at all, not a millimeter. There was no "micro adjustment".... Yet the aim didn't climb. Happened many times in his stream. Also even if there would have been a "micro adjustment", that's not enough to deal with that. You need constant downward mouse movement at a set speed at full auto, which DID NOT happen. He shot the same way with the carbine (fast rate of fire). Aim didn't climb due to recoil at all even though he didn't move the mouse down at all. Same as with the n-tec. You need a constant downward motion with the mouse to do that. There wasn't any. None! Same with the .45. It's impossible. It's the most clear thing ever and you're going "uuuhm.. you see... 800 DPI blabla... micro adjustments.. high sense blabla". Like... are you for real? And why are you making it sound like the well-known fact that there is a cheater epedemic right now is just some stupid rumour originating from this one guy (me). Everyone knows that there is a huge problem with cheaters right now. Like what are you even trying to do here? I can EASILY prove that I'm right about that guy if you want me to. I'll make a video (can't post it here though). One condition.... if I prove I'm right, you have to admit that I am. You have to admit it here, in this thread. I will do it if you agree. I'm not just saying it.

How on earth can you think I'm that dumb? Seriously. Okay, so you've been living under a rock apparently if you're not aware of any current "incidents" of cheaters on twitch. It's also not allowed to present such proof here, don't know if you noticed. It's not just something me as an individual is claiming. It's public knowledge (for those who haven't been living under a rock). Go to twitch and maybe you'll find some "interesting" clips or streams. Perhaps you'll stumble into some channel with some blatant cheater locking on to people's heads (that was hilarious), or some other clips of someone using an obvious aimbot, or some streamer triggerbotting the wrong guy by mistake, or some other guy who was filming his hand while playing which showed he had perfect vertical recoil control without doing vertical mouse movement. There are many many examples just from the past few weeks. Not that many of them are public videos. I know some other things that I'm not allowed to (and will not) share, but which unfortunately shows there are indeed a lot of people cheating right now and that includes streamers. So of course that it very noticeable when playing too, unless you're not very bright.

Not that I applied, but I don't know if you're being sarcastic or serious. I can't tell these things anymore.

I don't know if LO truly understands what a complete disaster the situation is. It's worse then bad and worse than worse than bad. Often at least half the population in fightclub seems to be cheating. In fightclub I've seriously turned to following some players around to find the enemy, since they always seem to know where they are. Many of them are typical new low rank gold players who probably rerolled for the 20th time and others are old veterans who are magically staying on top of all cheat waves without fail. After a while you learn to identify them and you can just follow them, and voila you get more kills. Am I cheating by doing that? No, because how could I truly know they are cheating unless I'm looking at their screen? If there is even 1 pixel of my hitbox showing these guys will instantly hit me so I've taken to using OPGL so I can get the advantage of being able to kill them without them getting a chance to hit me because if they have that chance, they will hit me, not just shoot. Then these cheaters come to the forums going "OPGL is ruining fightclub" Then we have streamers trying to hide that they are cheating, every day, several ones, as well as some blatant ones. Most of those guys would not stream if they didn't cheat because they need that to feel that they can play without looking bad, which they end up doing anyway because of how clueless they are. Many of them have played for many years and still obviously have no idea what it should look like when you shoot and aim with no bots. They truly think it looks normal, making me question how long they have been cheating to still have no clue about that! I can seriously go to twitch and spot them within a couple of minutes. Some times under a minute. But ... many of them seem to tell themselves they are closet cheating partly because there are hardcore cheaters who'd ruin their game otherwise. This way they can still "enjoy" the game for themselves. These guys may complain a little about cheaters, but they'll never not play because of cheaters, because they can truly deal with it. I understand them, even though it is bad. No question about it. When you add the blatants and the closets up, play fightclub a lot, to see it for real, check how many are using the public cheats, hear about the "private" and semi private cheats, cheating clans who all aim exactly the same way, same aim behaviour patterns, artificial looking recoil control... etc etc..., you get terrifying numbers, especially compared to how small the population is. It's bad.

I think I agree with those saying consumables are more a balance problem/annoyance than a welcomed addition in its current form at least. It'd be interesting with some kind of a vote on this just to see the general opinion. But I certainly feel that consumables are a good example of the saying: less is more.

If a situation is bad then it may sound harsh when one is honest.

No matter how ya look at it, it comes down to incompetence. Getting hold of a GM is super rare and also pretty useless to be honest since they can't really do much at all. Even if they pass it on or even if you yourself send in videos with obvious stuff they most of the time do absolutely nothing. I've shown them videos of blatant aimbots and triggerbots etc and these people are still playing, streaming even, having a great time, while everyone who faces them suffer, except for other cheaters, and those two groups of people are who the game belongs to now. It's frustrating because I know and understand more than those incompetent people, yet I'm the one coming to them to get help, and of course they have no damn clue what they are even looking at!

I've sent in videos with people wallhacking, locking on with aimbots etc in impossible ways etc. nothing happened. I've also noticed when people ask my advice that some players are believed to have otherwordly skills which are "scary", literally bordering to the mystical, as long as they are popular enough. Nothing happens to them. If you're a no-name though, doing the exact same things will literally be seen as impossible.

#metoo Must be some BE update that broke something. Not desperate enough to torture myself with first reinstalling both APB and then BE just to log in and play against cheaters lol

Looking at good players play will not give you better aim at all. Watching recordings of yourself play however, will. You get a lot more aim time in fightclub than missions. That's also a lot better than aim training games, which are mostly just good for getting better at aim training games. 1) Never aim on the upper part of the enemy ....if the entire hitbox is visible ...because when they crouch you easily miss a bullet or two before you've corrected your aim downward, plus keeping the aim lower helps countering misses due to vertical recoil and gives you larger vertical error margin in terms of your recoil control. 2) Never aim for the actual player character! (unless that is all you can see) Aim for the center of the nametag horizontally if the whole enemy is visible instead of trying to aim at the center of the player character because the player character is often not in the center of the actual hitbox .. but the center of the nametag always is. So record yourself playing (fightclub is a good idea) and look at it carefully. Notice why you are missing, what you often seem to do wrong etc and learn from that. You'll improve quickly.

When I read your post it's obvious that you're complaining about some experience you had where you repeatedly tried to camp in a room where someone was stopping you by using an OPGL and now you're trying to come up with arguments why it was everyone's and everything's fault but yours.

So it should be removed because grenades can fall through the map? What are you talking about? I've never seen an invisible OPGL grenade and I use OPGL regularly. That is exactly what it is made for! There are many situations where this feature is needed to counter what the enemy is doing. If the OPGL didn't exist, instead of a what you call "high disadvantage" situation, the situation would remain an unbalanced advantage to whoever was using the hard to counter tactic. 12 ammo capacity is low ammo capacity, not high. If mobility was like the other explosive weapons it would be completely useless. High damage potential? You mean like all other weapons? Like all other explosives, like all snipers, frag and concussion grenades? "Predamage"? . .. oh I died because I was "predamaged". What are you talking about? It's MADE to damage people around corner, on roofs etc. It evens out lame advantages one can get from lame tactics, corner camping etc. Plus there is a thing called flak jacket. Don't know if you've heard of it. The OPGL goes *FOMP*, nade comes flying. You get a chance to see and hear it. Now you do have time to move. You can see the trajectory, the grenade coming in. It lands on the ground and explodes after a set amount of time, So what the heck are you talking about that it's "impossible to escape"? How do you escape a normal bullet in APB then? Dodge like in the matrix? No. What it ruins is the lame tactics where people put items inside small rooms to just guard the entrances. That's hard to counter. That's why that tactic is used. In Asylum, the OPGL is a counter to that, just like it is in missions where people try the same thing. That's what you want to stop people from doing. Of course those who rely on doing those camp-like corner camping tactics gets frustrated when someone pulls out an OPGL because it "ruins the fun" for them. You're acting like you never get teamkilled by other weapons than OPGL. How do you avoid getting teamkilled by bullets, grenades, osmaws and volcanos then? Just because you managed to make a list with many points and end it with "now explain", as if you think I couldn't, doesn't make any of what you wrote automatically valid or intimidating in terms of counter arguments. You have to actually say something that makes sense, not just write a post with a good looking structure.

If you get annoyed from dying a lot to OPGL in fightclub, you're the kind of player the OPGL was made to counter and you're annoyed about it.