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You do realize that catering to the casual player base means that your players who have been playing this game for years will be more annoyed and will quit. Why? Because instead of listening and working with your loyal player base you're going to listen to the silver and bronze players making "nerf the ntec" threads. When in reality the casuals and silvers are playing just for fun. Not to win or be competitive. Then will just end up leaving after a month due to being a casual gamer that floats to other games or quit because someone is "cheating". This is what ruins the game for people like me and many other APB veterans who enjoyed the game prior to all the changes. It clearly shows since the casual player base isn't keeping this game alive. Also people who are loyal and vets most certainly make purchases in the game. Not sure why you think that's not the case.

The meta before the big nerfs RP did before they sold the game were the ones I want reverted. The other changes such as the troublemaker being nerfed were fine. But by no means was the meta bad. I never got tired of that meta considering I played with that meta for multiple years. It was fun and never got stale. Way better than it is now that's for sure. Hell I'd much prefer the old meta for the sheer fact that you could at least play 3 distinctively weapon types (sniper, assault rifle, or smg). Now its cqc for the most part. As I said in a previous post you weren't required/forced to switch to certain weapons. The only time I've ever been "forced" to switch to a weapon is doing missions like Fast and Incarcerated (the bank truck hold). Other than that I can use whatever I wanted and still preform well. Even against the holy trinity. NSSW being a great example of a gun that was really solid.

Yes I'd be fine with Qsing back while keeping the damage nerf (since I and many people have felt that was the only change it needed) on the HVR. People weren't HVRing 24/7 either. If you are finding that you need to switch to it yourself then you need to work on your approach to the situation. I myself strictly used the scout because I've always felt the hvr was cheesy and have never in my years of APB felt that I NEEDED to switch to the hvr to beat other hvr users. There were many more choices and with way more variety back then as well. Not so much anymore as most people just go with the "flavor of the month". *cough* shotguns *cough* PMG *cough*. Why were there so many threads about it? Because people who are more casual come to the forums to complain about something they can't understand/beat. Same thing with people making threads about the ntec being broken because they lost to one in cqc with an oca. Its a player skill issue. When you go against Qsing you should be learning and adapting to that playstyle. Which is why it shouldn't be anything more than a minor headache. As I said my only issue with the HVR was (since it got nerfed now) its damage. Yes Qsing is cheesy and dumb but i'd gladly have it back in the game if it meant getting all of the Pre-RP nerfed weapons.

Probably the usual. Wait for someone to pop in at some point.

Was suggested to make my post in another thread a topic so here it is. Its always amazing to me how people love the idea of nerfing things. Yes somethings do need to be nerfed but NOT to the degree that LO has gone about it. This is also what happens when you like to go with the "nerf meta". Its just nerf after nerf to try and "balance" things when in reality tweaking and balancing around the "holy trinity" (Ntec, Oca/Pmg, and Hvr) would have been a better solution. Here we are though many updates later with noodles for weapons and they feel awful now. After playing this game for 10 years now I personally think this game was in a much better state before LO took over. Do I like that Matt Scott and his team are being more proactive and communicating with the community? Yes. Do I agree with their way of balancing? Not at all. On the other hand RP was for sure spleshul and had almost no communication with the community. Even then at least the weapons felt good to use and they didn't have unneeded mechanics for "fun" reasons. The only thing I truly hated about RP was the major weapon changes they did before they sold the game. Anyway as it is now it just seems like the game is more what weapon is the flavor of the month. Use it for that month then they do another "balance" update and makes another weapon the flavor of the month. At least before with the holy trinity before you could at least pick for 3 distinct weapons and then those that fall between them. That's just my opinion on the matter.

I suppose I could do that right quick. Though i'm sure there will be plenty of backlash but it wouldn't be the apb forums if I didn't :).

Its always amazing to me how people love the idea of nerfing things. Yes somethings do need to be nerfed but NOT to the degree that LO has gone about it. This is also what happens when you like to go with the "nerf meta". Its just nerf after nerf to try and "balance" things when in reality tweaking and balancing around the "holy trinity" (Ntec, Oca/Pmg, and Hvr) would have been a better solution. Here we are though many updates later with noodles for weapons and they feel awful now. After playing this game for 10 years now I personally think this game was in a much better state before LO took over. Do I like that Matt Scott and his team are being more proactive and communicating with the community? Yes. Do I agree with their way of balancing? Not at all. On the other hand RP was for sure spleshul and had almost no communication with the community. Even then at least the weapons felt good to use and they didn't have unneeded mechanics for "fun" reasons. The only thing I truly hated about RP was the major weapon changes they did before they sold the game. Anyway as it is now it just seems like the game is more what weapon is the flavor of the month. Use it for that month then they do another "balance" update and makes another weapon the flavor of the month. At least before with the holy trinity before you could at least pick for 3 distinct weapons and then those that fall between them. That's just my opinion on the matter.

I'm willing to bet I have accumulated way more time on the Ntec than you and there has never been a time using or vsing it where i've felt it was overperforming. It was just a solid and versatile gun unlike pretty much every other AR. Hence why people used it over the laundry list of awful ARs. It was easy to beat with other weapons when you play the weapon roles correctly cqc, rifleman, w.e. Also just because something you said happened doesn't make what happened fact or the right decision.

Why are you under the assumptions that because the ntec and star are more accessible means they should out preform other weapons? Also why is it bad for a free to play weapon to be strong(er) than a pay to play weapon? It wasn't broken at all. Broken would imply anyone could use it with ease. Which clearly has never been the case. As there are a large amount of people who can't use it hence why they main other weapons. Losing to the ntec with an smg/shotgun is on you alone. If you're losing with guns that out preform the ntec in cqc that's a player skill issue alone. Those weapons were designed for cqc purposes. Better hip fire accuracy and could abuse corners much more than the ntec in those ranges. Again when you change the core mechanic of a weapon in a negative way it very much is gutting it. What is was to what it is now is very much gutted. I'd say the same thing for the HVR (which I though was in need of changing but not how they went about it). Why change the core mechanic of the gun instead of just nerfing the damage of the gun. The reason people used the Ntec wasn't because it was "broken". That's just what people want to use as a reason to "bring it in line". People used it because for two reasons. One, it was a free to play weapon unlike the other assault rifles. Two, it actually felt good, responsive, and rewards you for playing with it well (especially if you can push it to its extreme boundaries). I've played this game long enough to see the good and the bad. There has been far more bad with nerfs and unneeded additions to guns than there has been good.

Even if they aren't as grindy and are easier to get doesn't change the fact that the Ntec and the Star are way more accessible to everyone. The Star being the starter weapon and the base ntec being 3k in game money. Also other games having worse grinds isn't a justification. The ntec was very much fine where it was before. Just because an assault rifle preformed its role well doesn't mean its broken. Also you know a lot of people were actually bad at the per nerfed ntec so clearly its not op broken. You're also, like many others, taking buffing around the ntec as making every weapon just like the ntec. Which isn't what is meant by that at all. As I stated in my previous post the Far is a great example of that. Or the ATAC for being the reverse of the Ntec being stronger in close to sub mid range engagements. In regards to other weapons it didn't and never has made other weapons useless at all. Back before any of the nerfs there were tons of OCAs, PMGs, Joker Carbines, Scouts, and HVRs. Also if you read what I said you'd notice I very much made the clear indication there is a difference between nerfs and adjustments. The ntec has been nerfed to the point that that gutted it. Where as an adjustment would have been lowering the mag size. An already implemented adjustment being when they tweaked the damage of it so heavy barrel 2 would actually be penalized. It very much was gutted as its core function being a accurate tap fire (not burst fire) assault rifle is gone due to the "fun" extra bloom after a few shots.

Oh ya you're right. You just buy joker tickets with your wallet instead. Therefore you're still buying the weapons with you wallet unless you're grinding away for the tickets (which has already been a thing). Just like how you either bought joker boxes before or saved up your in-game money to buy a legendary off the market place. OUCH.... lol. That argument is flawed and it is a terrible way to justify it. It being other ARs are "easily accessible". So in the end as ZombieBiscuit said, the Ntec and Star are still the most accessible AR's as much as they were before as they are now. Balancing should very much be around the ntec and not nerfing the ntec into the other weapons ranges. Just look at a majority of the AR's that have come out and were absolute garbage and still are pretty underwhelming. The only two notable ones are the Far and Aces Rifle for being good. They balanced the Far around the ntec and it was actually and still is a viable weapon. There was nothing wrong with the ntec prior to its changes back when RP was doing "balancing". Pre usual its a classic case of poor test location *cough* baylan *cough* and skewed testing/responses. God forbid a weapon in the game feels good and rewarding for using it well. Also even if nerfing doesn't always entail something being gutted it still is NOT a way to balance things. Just because you're bringing the ntec in line with other ARs doesn't mean its not a nerf. It very much is a nerf. There is a difference between adjustments and nerfs. The amount of nerfs the ntec has received is much more than an adjustment. Where as the Obir having an adjustment such as having a bolt timer. Like I said above with skewed testing/responses people will continue to cry about the ntec because well it might as well be the "hip" thing to do. X person destroyed me so it must still be broken yada yada.

Just because a large majority uses both clotting 2 and 3 does NOT make it overpowered. Just because you can't handle going against it doesn't make it broken. Maybe try not using Kevlar 3 like you claim you do? They're always going to be full health before you can get to them *facepalm*. Also just so you aren't confused yes i am defending clotting agent. Also Im not a bad player at all. On the topic of this thread its a shame that dislikes got removed. Its a way to show how you feel without replying. Sure it could be used to troll but i'd like to think it wasn't abused that badly. Also so i can downvote post like the one i quoted since nothing comes from said quote besides showing the lack of gameplay knowledge or reasonable points as to why something should be changed. Would much rather have a dislike button with the chance of trolling than said people making mind numbing posts that i and other members of the community can't downvote because we disagree.

Definitely think the Ursus changes are a terrible idea. Especially with them adding the bloom thing like the normal ntec (if thats what that last snip-it is implying). Only reason the Ursus has had a spike in use is because the normal ntec has been gutted time and time again. Still don't agree with the nerf meta not surprised though based on the state of these forums. Even as someone who dislikes the hvr I think nerfing its damage while buffing the scout and keeping the hvr's bloom damage scaling is not the way to do it. I still will never agree with adding these mechanics that were never a thing before and are just being added on to add more "complications" to things. I agree with some of the changes and will see how it turns out on live but like usual it will probably be the case of people who dislike x weapon will not test the weapon and say its in a good state. Leading to flawed feedback. I can still say that the gunplay was better back in 2013 than it has been after the first major nerfs to any weapons. I'll see how these changes are when they go live but tbh it doesn't look super hopeful as of right now.

There are plenty of actual gold players. Just not as many as there use to be because a majority of them have stopped playing for various reasons. There is very much a difference between an actual gold 1 and a gold 10 (just not visual-able via threat icon outside of a base color). Hence why i stated "honey dipped silvers" because they aren't actually gold. There is an actual difference between bronze and silver 10 compared to gold 1 and 10. But like i said obviously not noticeable by threat color/icon. Edit: The threat system should be harsher than it is for sure why they ever "nerfed" it was a stupid move by RP. Which is why you see a lot more of these honey dipped silvers and not actual gold players. I'm also not calling you out in particular if you're under the impression that I am since I know you stated in another post that you are back and forth between gold and silver. So don't take what I'm saying personally.

There is a huge difference between golds playing in silver district and people who are low gold intentionally dethreating to go to bronze districts where ACTUAL new players are playing.

So if i q up for a call of duty deathmatch im not going to get against prestige 10 jimmy? APB does separate players to a degree. Hence the district threat. We've played rainbow six before. You think people I want people who are plat and diamond to be nice to me because im gold? No. Why would i want someone to sandbag and still beat me? Atleast if they're playing normally at their level I can actually learn peaks, runouts, trap placements, and other tips and tricks. You seem to think golds are the problem but let me enlighten you a bit on that. There is a difference between Golds and "Golds". The "golds" that are ruining the game are either dethreating into bronze districts to pick on players who are worse then them so they feel better about themselves. "Golds" that are cheaters. "Golds" who think everyone in apb is cheating if they can't win against them. An actual Gold is someone who isn't doing any of the listed above. They play the game, play in silver/gold districts whichever one is populated, not dethreat because they're baby raging, and don't cheat. I'm an actual Gold and there is no way I'm any sort of issue towards APB's population. You wanna point fingers at people? Start pointing at all those max ranked honey dipped silvers dipping in and out of bronze districts. You'll find your APB killer there.

I don't think anyone WANTS people to quit. At the same time people shouldn't have to adjust their playstyle just because its a new player. Hell its more of an insult to intentionally use garbage weapons and play stupid just so the newbies have "fun". Plus people won't learn if they're just going against people sandbagging. I'm sorry but if these new players don't want to stick around because of a couple of hours of not doing well at a game (not JUST apb) they just picked up then clearly competitive/pvp games aren't for them. Ya there are trashy tactics like running in missions with the items and I have to agree with High Society that more new/silver players do that than higher up gold players. Because of a variety of reasons (suspected of cheating generally). There is a bronze district for a reason not that it matters due to dethreaters being a rampant issue. No one is abusing said players by playing the game normally.

Shame that feedback isn't always fully taken into account or as stated in other threads people have already made up their mind about said weapon or w.e so when changes appear in the test district those people aren't going to test it. Leading to skewed feedback. Ntec being a great example of that. People who genuinely think the ntec is some gift from god aren't going to go into the test district and say "oh this is a bit to much of a nerf". Tbh i think the car det nerf was a bit much. I don't use it and I think its pretty cheesy but 90 secs is a bit overkill. I think 60 would have been fine. With the hvr change with the damage = bloom. Who actually asked for that and why are you changing the mechanics of a gun 10 years into its life span? People just wanted the damage tuned nothing more. Hence why I said the feedback isn't really helping. Look at the forums from back before LO took over people were asking for it (damage reduction) then too. Myself and others have given suggestions and feedback. At the same time the people who are actually thinking about balancing and whats truly in need of adjustment aren't always posting a new topic everyday like the constant "Ntec is broken" or "pmg is unbeatable" threads. Which lets be honest is usually flooding the forums.

They'll probably give it the same "hiccup" bloom the ntec has if they went that route which again to me is a big mistake. I think adjusting the base values is a much safer route to take. Lower its base damage slightly to indirectly nerf its range would probably be the best approach. Like how RP balanced hb2 on the ntec by slighty adjusting the ntecs damage. Definitely a bit worrisome with their previous balancing and current state of weapons. A lot more strike outs than hits imo.

I don't know if its so much content as it is in-terms of how the devs have handled the game. Mainly balancing and changes/implementations to things. I personally am not sitting waiting for the new map or w.e. Thats just me. The game is highly replayable and thats what keeps people hooked. But clearly a lot of players dislike and questioned things they (RP and LO) have done and walked away from the game. Tbh I think the engine update is their last shot at ever coming close to fully reviving apb. Even then though, the issues I mentioned above will still linger. I think they need to look back at things in 2013 see what was enjoyable then and work from there.

Hello again, I'd like to welcome you back to the silver section of the forums where we cry about a gun we're losing to and can only blame the weapon and not our lack of skill. We hope you enjoy your stay .

The pmg is fine where it is. The only reason it seems so "op" now is because of all the weapon "balancing" thats been happening. Weapons are all over the place in the current state of the game. Where as 4-5 years ago things were a bit more clean cut. *cough* Holy Trinity *cough*

That's why i put the ... that means there is more to it in case you weren't aware. Its called an ellipsis. You said specifically yourself that its dedicated to YOU and others. You made a point it was about you (for some reason). When it wasn't I don't even know you lol. I don't know your positions or likes and dislikes about APB. You're taking it upon yourself to be offended by my post that clearly wasn't directed at you in anyway, shape, or form.

You obviously took it personally if you said "the entire pharagraph is dedicated to sniping me...". Because you're under the impression I was attacking you. Let me remind you again you're commenting on a public forum. I'm allowed to comment on a post you know. I enjoyed jumpshotting with the scout. Clearly cookie did as well. That's enough for me to quote him and reply to him. There was no butting in at all. If you want to have a private convo with him take it to PM's? Just because I happened to say something that conflicted with your idea's doesn't mean I'm calling you out by name or anything along though lines. You're taking it upon yourself to make yourself fall under that category. Thats on you dude.

I didn't even read a lick of what you said prior to that post (Cookie's post). I saw cookie was reminiscing about jumpshot scouts so I replied to him with a sarcastic comment because I really enjoyed jumpshots with the scout. I didn't mention your name or quote you. You shouldn't take comments on the forums as attacks when there is no reason for you to. You seem to think you're a victim like abduct said. When in actuality I was just saying what a good amount of people think over all about the game and the forums. There are alot of people who are unhappy with the direction of the game because things that are fun and not game breaking are being changed. There was no shot at you at all. There is only one person on this forum that is going to get my pharagraph's undivided attention. They know who they are .