foscor77 169 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) im talking about their stock versions that you buy from contacts. out of all secondary guns,these two seems to suck all round....they seems to stand no ground against other secondaries. why.... edit - snub nose too...though i find it a little better than those above two. Edited December 25, 2018 by foscor77 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheJellyGoo 343 Posted December 24, 2018 ACT44 Stock feels weird due to its inaccuracy for its intended range (PR2 version was actually one of the earliest guns that could have been considered a p2w element) RSA seems to be a hit or miss whether you get a feel for it. I loved it and it felt very rewarding. As for your comparison, as long-range guns it's not their purpose to go up against other secondaries which are mostly close to mid. They serve a complementary role towards your loadout to give you more range while wielding cq-mainhands. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlatMan 711 Posted December 24, 2018 The ACT44 is too inaccurate for it's max range, and the ttk is too high to make it viable over other secondaries. You're better off with the RFP-9. The RSA has too long of a draw time for quickly finishing an enemy, and too long of a bloom recovery time to make it viable as a solo weapon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Defibrillator 132 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, MrsHappyPenguin said: -snip- Hey, i might wanna be real quick with this before i forget. Harbinger is a long range secondary with the lowest time to kill. iirc 4 shots to kill. Why dont the guys who own the pack use this, instead prefer colby? I've heard players complain that harbinger is a weird gun. I'd like to know abt the gun. Edited December 24, 2018 by Defibrillator Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsb 6171 Posted December 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Defibrillator said: Hey, i might wanna be real quick with this before i forget. Harbinger is a long range secondary with the lowest time to kill. iirc 4 shots to kill. Why dont the guys who own the pack use this, instead prefer colby? I've heard players complain that harbinger is a weird gun. I'd like to know abt the gun. it’s bloom recovery time is slow enough that the practical ttk is no different from the rsa, but you need 4 shots instead of 3 it also suffers from the same lack of overdamage (iirc it’s exactly 250 per shot) as the rsa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Defibrillator 132 Posted December 24, 2018 25 minutes ago, BXNNXD said: Bloom recovery is faster in harbinger than colby. I got the harbinger for a weeks trial from some event.The only thing i found interesting was the shots to kill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NikkiCasinoKnows 44 Posted December 24, 2018 6 hours ago, TheJellyGoo said: ACT44 Stock feels weird due to its inaccuracy for its intended range (PR2 version was actually one of the earliest guns that could have been considered a p2w element) Pay to win? Hardly anyone uses that gun, not when it was sold, not after it was free to obtain ... it isn't meta, it's hardly used by anyone... why? Because there are better secondaries for what it does. You scrublords see a someone donating to the game for a marginal at best gun, see it has a mod and even though it's shitty you start spreading this p2w toxic. After whining and whining g1 said; look for yourselves, here it is free... and guess what? It was just a mediocre gun which nobody started using. What you are doing is turning this game to shit with your bullcrap p2w fantasies. Its just as bad as denying the cheater issue at hand. Stop blowing it out your behind. P2W gun, what a load of crap. Shove it back before you hurt this game and its paying customers even more. pleasant fellow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5378 Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, NikkiCasinoKnows said: ~snip~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NikkiCasinoKnows 44 Posted December 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, CookiePuss said: You need to lose that badge or get a moral compass. Stupid troll 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsb 6171 Posted December 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, NikkiCasinoKnows said: Pay to win? Hardly anyone uses that gun, not when it was sold, not after it was free to obtain ... it isn't meta, it's hardly used by anyone... why? Because there are better secondaries for what it does. You scrublords see a someone donating to the game for a marginal at best gun, see it has a mod and even though it's shitty you start spreading this p2w toxic. After whining and whining g1 said; look for yourselves, here it is free... and guess what? It was just a mediocre gun which nobody started using. What you are doing is turning this game to shit with your bullcrap p2w fantasies. Its just as bad as denying the cheater issue at hand. Stop blowing it out your behind. P2W gun, what a load of crap. Shove it back before you hurt this game and its paying customers even more. pleasant fellow it was p2w because it was inherently better than the f2p version Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5378 Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, NikkiCasinoKnows said: You need to lose that badge or get a moral compass. Stupid troll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheJellyGoo 343 Posted December 25, 2018 3 hours ago, NikkiCasinoKnows said: Pay to win? Hardly anyone uses that gun, not when it was sold, not after it was free to obtain ... it isn't meta, it's hardly used by anyone... why? Because there are better secondaries for what it does. You scrublords see a someone donating to the game for a marginal at best gun, see it has a mod and even though it's shitty you start spreading this p2w toxic. After whining and whining g1 said; look for yourselves, here it is free... and guess what? It was just a mediocre gun which nobody started using. What you are doing is turning this game to shit with your bullcrap p2w fantasies. Its just as bad as denying the cheater issue at hand. Stop blowing it out your behind. P2W gun, what a load of crap. Shove it back before you hurt this game and its paying customers even more. pleasant fellow Merry Christmas My present to you is to not embarrass you by explaining why you just made a fool of yourself. Just take a deep breath, analyze my words from a neutral point of view, realize why pretty much every veteran comes to agree with them and simply accept it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nite 261 Posted December 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Defibrillator said: Harbinger is a long range secondary with the lowest time to kill. iirc 4 shots to kill. Why dont the guys who own the pack use this, instead prefer colby? I've heard players complain that harbinger is a weird gun. I'd like to know abt the gun. I used to use it a lot in Fight Club and it's decent as a pinpoint pistol, but not good for much else. at max effective range you have to really go slow to keep the accuracy, and if u go even 1m beyond the max effective range it adds a whole extra bullet to kill it has max bloom on equip, something no other weapon in the game has IIRC, so u often can't use it for the few times you'd want to potshot a target that pops up for the briefest moments It needs a lot of love IMO frankly. Really bummed that most other Rev Pack guns got a balance pass but this one didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Acornie 490 Posted December 25, 2018 These two guns feel left in the past imo (along with the Snub), never rebalanced with all the other rebalances. Pls Matty, we need a buff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhosT 1301 Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, NikkiCasinoKnows said: Pay to win? Hardly anyone uses that gun, not when it was sold, not after it was free to obtain ... it isn't meta, it's hardly used by anyone... why? Because there are better secondaries for what it does. You scrublords see a someone donating to the game for a marginal at best gun, see it has a mod and even though it's shitty you start spreading this p2w toxic. After whining and whining g1 said; look for yourselves, here it is free... and guess what? It was just a mediocre gun which nobody started using. What you are doing is turning this game to shit with your bullcrap p2w fantasies. Its just as bad as denying the cheater issue at hand. Stop blowing it out your behind. P2W gun, what a load of crap. Shove it back before you hurt this game and its paying customers even more. pleasant fellow Back then we didn't have as many guns as we had now, and people stuck to the FBW for close range (back then 5 shots to kill) and RSA/ACT for longer range when they had an OCA or a shotgun. When the first batch of weapons have been released (Whisper PR1, Scoped N-TEC PR1, ACT44 GM PR1), two of these were vastly superior to their free versions. He's got a point, but most people still used the FBW, RFP or SAS, so the ACT never really stood out with its paid variant. Edited December 25, 2018 by GhosT typoö 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nitronik 348 Posted December 25, 2018 RSA and ACT need a bit more overdamage so that CA3 doesn't mess with them so much A slight accuracy buff / crouching boost (since you want sniper/long range weapons to have low mobility) wouldn't be a bad idea either 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
