SARD Anti-Cheat Update

[MACKxBOLAN 434]

On 11/25/2024 at 2:06 AM, Anella said:

doomed

Doomed as in future tense. 

We have been in Doom for years, because of hackers and trolls. 

Just go in and mess around, do other things than missions. 

Matts point plan is too far into the future to matter.

Too many people have suffered for too long.

Matt and staff do not play, so are not being punished along with the other legits, 

on an hourly and daily basis, LO acts as if it just a few floater hax in the pool.

When it is quit the contrary, the pool is overflowing with hackers and sociopath trolls, 

who ddos you off line then accuse you of doing the deed. 

[Darkzero3802 613]

3 hours ago, Anella said:

Must be some sort of not care any more, sadly

LO cares. They just also have a high tolerance for hackers. So long as this is the case APB will fail.

[Uhtdred 240]

I have some bad news for little orbit. There's a NO RECOIL CONFIG around. I already reported to support but I KNOW nothing will happen.

[Anella 73]

On 11/26/2024 at 9:30 PM, Darkzero3802 said:

LO cares. They just also have a high tolerance for hackers. So long as this is the case APB will fail.

Well, I believe you're right about this. Which is sad....that you're right  ^_^

On 11/27/2024 at 11:41 AM, Uhtdred said:

I have some bad news for little orbit. There's a NO RECOIL CONFIG around. I already reported to support but I KNOW nothing will happen.

Well, just watch some "minecraft quality" APB Reloaded streams at Twitch, and you figure out very easy that alot of them use this type of no recoil config. Just go into your game and start shoot and compare to what you see at some streams. Stupid sh*t and it's very obvious to see, guess management here not watching streams lol

[BlatMan 717]

4 hours ago, Anella said:

Well, I believe you're right about this. Which is sad....that you're right  ^_^

Well, just watch some "minecraft quality" APB Reloaded streams at Twitch, and you figure out very easy that alot of them use this type of no recoil config. Just go into your game and start shoot and compare to what you see at some streams. Stupid sh*t and it's very obvious to see, guess management here not watching streams lol

I remember one who's aim kept getting locked to consumables. Must have been a free cheat.

[Yapopal 179]

20 minutes ago, BlatMan said:

I remember one who's aim kept getting locked to consumables. Must have been a free cheat.

I like to blow up cars with an explosive package, pretending to be a fool. Sometimes there are shit-eaters who shoot at this pixel from a long distance from the car window. At such moments, I remember Matt Megamind's post about anti-cheat and the scoring system. Matt has set himself the task of fighting fraud, and he is fighting it. Great job... But the real task is to protect players from the negative influence of cheaters. His mega-cool system does not solve this problem in any way. If a seagull shits in your French fries, you won't eat it. But Matt apparently thinks that it doesn't matter because the potatoes are delicious. 

 

Population decline is expected tomorrow. I don't know if it will be noticeable. We'll see.

Edited November 29 by Yapopal

[Darkzero3802 613]

The proof really is in the pudding. When cheaters are streaming their cheats cause they know they wont be banned you have failed in your anti cheat and in your policies.

[Uhtdred 240]

10 hours ago, Anella said:

Well, I believe you're right about this. Which is sad....that you're right  ^_^

Well, just watch some "minecraft quality" APB Reloaded streams at Twitch, and you figure out very easy that alot of them use this type of no recoil config. Just go into your game and start shoot and compare to what you see at some streams. Stupid sh*t and it's very obvious to see, guess management here not watching streams lol

I'm not talking about low graphics config. I'm talking about a config that let's you choose NO RECOIL PATTERN for most weapons.

[Anella 73]

23 hours ago, BlatMan said:

I remember one who's aim kept getting locked to consumables. Must have been a free cheat.

Guess it wasn't EpicGoat, at least he wasn't trying to hide it like these closet cheaters streaming nowadays lol

[Anella 73]

17 hours ago, Uhtdred said:

I'm not talking about low graphics config. I'm talking about a config that let's you choose NO RECOIL PATTERN for most weapons.

I didn't say it was the low quality configs which results in no recoil, but that kind of streamers uses that and no recoil

[DedGaem 148]

Look, Matt.. the condition of the game is abandoned.  SARD, isn't even active or doing anything.  If you added a two-tier sub, with a free option... 1. Free (no support).  2. $2.50/month (support + 250 Joker tickets with 2.5% chance of legendary) 3. $5/month (support + 500 Joker tickets/w 5% chance of legendary)...

Then POSSIBLY, you could afford to bring back FairFight.  

I get that no one "really" knows for certain (unless blatant) if someone is cheating... and you haven't wanted to be UNFAIR. 
NO PROBLEM!

The game population is really small, and besides bans are pretty punitive, uncertain, and permanently destroy an account someone cares about or has invested in.  SIMPLE FIX!


Don't BAN.  Just make it where someone who's performing well above normal (could be legit and highly skilled... but it's enough ABOVE the general population to be disruptive.)... Have them TEMPORARILY KICKED from the game.  That's not evidence of a hack (though it could be).. and it's a CLUE to that player... he needs to tone down his playstyle or cheats.. to stay in the game.  LISTEN, you can't eliminate cheating at this stage of the game, and it opens a can of worms for the superbly skilled playerbase.

BUT... if one guy, whether an APB genius pro... or a cheater... is rick rolling EVERYBODY, nearly EVERY MISSION... that playstyle is disrupting the small matchmaking population and causing a lot of players to stop playing or quit trying and never log back in again.  ONE PRO... or cheater shouldn't be given that right... to ruin the game experience for everybody.

Fairfight was good at detecting out of norm actions.  And the serverwide KICK announcement was actually GREAT FUN!  Just list an official caveat to the players the kick is NOT for cheating... but for being far enough ABOVE NORMAL... that the PLAYERBASE needs a time out.  Some pro's might understand and wear that as a badge of honor... PLUS, they lose nothing but a little time....

In a 24 hour span (to be reset daily)
1. first kick - 15 minute lockout
2. second kick - 30 min lockout

3. third kick - 2 hour lockout

4. Every kick thereafter in the 24 hour span - 2 hour lockout

It really doesn't have to be punitive or permanent... to moderate a game and make it "somewhat" fair... and would be a darned sight BETTER than ZERO MODERATION AT ALL.

Edited November 30 by DedGaem

[Romique 13]

can we just bring the gold district back  - let the golds and cheaters play there, rest can chill together on eu ! 

[Romique 13]

37 minutes ago, DedGaem said:

Look, Matt.. the condition of the game is abandoned.  SARD, isn't even active or doing anything.  If you added a two-tier sub, with a free option... 1. Free (no support).  2. $2.50/month (support + 250 Joker tickets with 2.5% chance of legendary) 3. $5/month (support + 500 Joker tickets/w 5% chance of legendary)...

Then POSSIBLY, you could afford to bring back FairFight.  

I get that no one "really" knows for certain (unless blatant) if someone is cheating... and you haven't wanted to be UNFAIR. 
NO PROBLEM!

The game population is really small, and besides bans are pretty punitive, uncertain, and permanently destroy an account someone cares about or has invested in.  SIMPLE FIX!


Don't BAN.  Just make it where someone who's performing well above normal (could be legit and highly skilled... but it's enough ABOVE the general population to be disruptive.)... Have them TEMPORARILY KICKED from the game.  That's not evidence of a hack (though it could be).. and it's a CLUE to that player... he needs to tone down his playstyle or cheats.. to stay in the game.  LISTEN, you can't eliminate cheating at this stage of the game, and it opens a can of worms for the superbly skilled playerbase.

BUT... if one guy, whether an APB genius pro... or a cheater... is rick rolling EVERYBODY, nearly EVERY MISSION... that playstyle is disrupting the small matchmaking population and causing a lot of players to stop playing or quit trying and never log back in again.  ONE PRO... or cheater shouldn't be given that right... to ruin the game experience for everybody.

Fairfight was good at detecting out of norm actions.  And the serverwide KICK announcement was actually GREAT FUN!  Just list an official caveat to the players the kick is NOT for cheating... but for being far enough ABOVE NORMAL... that the PLAYERBASE needs a time out.  Some pro's might understand and wear that as a badge of honor... PLUS, they lose nothing but a little time....

In a 24 hour span (to be reset daily)
1. first kick - 15 minute lockout
2. second kick - 30 min lockout

3. third kick - 2 hour lockout

4. Every kick thereafter in the 24 hour span - 2 hour lockout

It really doesn't have to be punitive or permanent... to moderate a game and make it "somewhat" fair... and would be a darned sight BETTER than ZERO MODERATION AT ALL.

totally agree on that - or lets make private distict where u can enter only using code -i would pay for that , and i will not invite cheaters there!

[Darkzero3802 613]

2 hours ago, Romique said:

can we just bring the gold district back  - let the golds and cheaters play there, rest can chill together on eu ! 

Back in like 2015 or 2016 this was tried by G1... With catastrophic results. This lead to the birth of dethreating as we know it and all those golds threw games to threat down so they could continue to stomp all over lower skilled, newbie and legit players. Dethreating has been a problem ever since and it has destroyed the threat and matchmaking systems that we have to the point where it needs a clean sheet redo. Threat segregation will not work unless the system is revamped to prevent it and LO starts caring enough to enforce TOS.

[vsb 6174]

5 hours ago, DedGaem said:

Don't BAN.  Just make it where someone who's performing well above normal (could be legit and highly skilled... but it's enough ABOVE the general population to be disruptive.)... Have them TEMPORARILY KICKED from the game.  That's not evidence of a hack (though it could be).. and it's a CLUE to that player... he needs to tone down his playstyle or cheats.. to stay in the game.  LISTEN, you can't eliminate cheating at this stage of the game, and it opens a can of worms for the superbly skilled playerbase.

BUT... if one guy, whether an APB genius pro... or a cheater... is rick rolling EVERYBODY, nearly EVERY MISSION... that playstyle is disrupting the small matchmaking population and causing a lot of players to stop playing or quit trying and never log back in again.  ONE PRO... or cheater shouldn't be given that right... to ruin the game experience for everybody.

Fairfight was good at detecting out of norm actions.  And the serverwide KICK announcement was actually GREAT FUN!  Just list an official caveat to the players the kick is NOT for cheating... but for being far enough ABOVE NORMAL... that the PLAYERBASE needs a time out.  Some pro's might understand and wear that as a badge of honor... PLUS, they lose nothing but a little time....

In a 24 hour span (to be reset daily)
1. first kick - 15 minute lockout
2. second kick - 30 min lockout

3. third kick - 2 hour lockout

4. Every kick thereafter in the 24 hour span - 2 hour lockout

i refuse to believe you can walk and breathe at the same time 

[Romique 13]

14 hours ago, Darkzero3802 said:

Back in like 2015 or 2016 this was tried by G1... With catastrophic results. This lead to the birth of dethreating as we know it and all those golds threw games to threat down so they could continue to stomp all over lower skilled, newbie and legit players. Dethreating has been a problem ever since and it has destroyed the threat and matchmaking systems that we have to the point where it needs a clean sheet redo. Threat segregation will not work unless the system is revamped to prevent it and LO starts caring enough to enforce TOS.

let them dethreat - let them spend time -these r not true golds- most of GOLDs will not do it - so we can keep them playng separately

[CookiePuss 5382]

1 minute ago, Romique said:

let them dethreat - let them spend time -these r not true golds- most of GOLDs will not do it - so we can keep them playng separately

on NA at least, there simply are not enough players to segregate

[Romique 13]

33 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

on NA at least, there simply are not enough players to segregate

yes im speaking only about EU - NA is a differnt case ofc!

[Deadliest 386]

15 minutes ago, Romique said:

yes im speaking only about EU - NA is a differnt case ofc!

You play on one of the highest population servers with a high ratio of better players + mix with cheaters, You are pretty much doom.

 

best to uninstall the game, and put your time in better competitive games like counter-strike 2. 

 

APB reloaded 10 year+ broken game, bad spawns, unbalance missions, no anti cheat. why even bother to play? 

 

 

 

Edited December 1 by Deadliest

[MACKxBOLAN 434]

18 hours ago, Darkzero3802 said:

Back in like 2015 or 2016 this was tried by G1... With catastrophic results. This lead to the birth of dethreating as we know it and all those golds threw games to threat down so they could continue to stomp all over lower skilled, newbie and legit players

Hence the hatred for Golds.  I started in segregation. 

We were taught by Fire to Hate Golds and Hi Silvers that would as U say, Dethreat. 

Then join our Bronze district. But we would chase them and troll them out.

Desegregation wasn't for our benefit, to stop dethreaters from farming us, it was 

because the golds had too low a pop, and had nobody to play with but each other. 

So LO let them All come in bronze and farm n hax us for the last 6 years. 

So in effect LO made it so non hackers could never rise over low silver because, 

they auto dethreat Us by putting golds in our missions. Gold will average 20-30 kills.

The legit might get 9-10 kills on a good day.

 The golds and hackers continue to push the score average up, so only hackers could up threat. 

So now All the golds get to stomp legit players, newbies, lower skilled ect. 

 

Then this point system hasn't even started yet, so none of em will be punished for what they've done

over the last year, or since the unbanning.

 I don't play to rise up or get kills (outside of gold killing).

I play to irritate hackers who have come to What I still think is bronze district to bully 

Legit players. 

 I don't believe you could get gold or hold gold with the vast amount of hackers, 

and such a large pool of player accounts. contributing to the Average in the pool. 

Not a matter of simply winning x amount of missions, or being top two on the score board. 

That score has to exceed the Average in the entire pool for you to move up. 

So sorry to say but when I see a gold, I automatically consider that person a known hacker. 

And likewise consider said golds intentions to be bullying legit players.

  Ok so this isn't so much a rant against golds, its a rant about the system of getting gold, 

and the desegregated mm that puts golds in missions with non golds. 

So I'll always blame the golds for their crying in forums to desegregate, 

But the decision by staff to do this more than likely boils down to Money. 

I think they had to pay more for segregated districts, so its not just a matter of pop, 

Its a matter of Paying.

 Additionally I might add that, If we don't have segregation, then why on earth do we have threat levels. 

most of toxicity golds make revolves around belittling silvers and bronzes, as if gold make them the big wizard.

Just remove threat levels, wont effect mm because gold get into almost every mission anyway. 

     DEVEST

[Darkzero3802 613]

6 hours ago, Romique said:

let them dethreat - let them spend time -these r not true golds- most of GOLDs will not do it - so we can keep them playng separately

Thats where your wrong. Most golds did it and to this day continue to do so. There are people who have been playing longer then I have who are bronze and green threat as we speak. This is by choice and they dont try to threat up, which means they are throwing games. Green threat doesnt exist in the game nobody is naturally that bad. Youve been here since 2019? Ive been playing since 2011 and didnt join the forum till 2014. Dethreating used to be awhole lot more blatent then it is now but it still goes on and LO doesnt enforce its own TOS so dethreating will continue.

[BlatMan 717]

I've been here since 2012 or maybe even 2011. The majority of dethreaters were silver threat, but they got gold because they didn't have better players to fight in the lower threat districts. The people complaining about them are people who expect the game to play itself.

[Darkzero3802 613]

On 12/1/2024 at 5:35 PM, BlatMan said:

I've been here since 2012 or maybe even 2011. The majority of dethreaters were silver threat, but they got gold because they didn't have better players to fight in the lower threat districts. The people complaining about them are people who expect the game to play itself.

Your not looking hard enough or dont know everyone if you miss the bronzie and green threat vets who were once upon a time gold.

Edited December 8 by Darkzero3802

[BlatMan 717]

1 hour ago, Darkzero3802 said:

Your not looking hard enough or dont know everyone if you miss the bronzie and green threat vets who were once upon a time gold.

Green? Do they play 1 mission, then go afk for the next 100? Seriously, green is much harder to hold than bronze if they're actually participating in the missions.

[Romique 13]

GUYS im done, yesterday iv played vs closet BRONZIE cheater just -  LOL, i rate my brain cells as more important than - playng vs cheaters every match. why LO cant understand that - keeping cheaters is what making them lose bigger player base? We had - 1200 players in september, ok 200 of them were cheaters, so keep 1000, manually bann 200!!! i cant undertsand that idea that these 200 cheaters r so important! how the hell they r more important than 1000 players ?? HOW.  iv been with APB for 13 years, and love it as u all love it. guys, why LO do not analize the situation and some how choose CHEATRS as the player base? CHEATERS KILLING YOUr authority LO! open your eyes, CHEATER is not a part player base, cheaters REDUCE your palyer base - WHY LO keeping them.....im loosing it overthat state of mind of LO.....i have 0 clues why they r doing this.