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11 hours ago, AlgizGI said:

hi, i think this matter is maybe one of the reasons why the game's negative ratings on steam are so many. I have a question, could this problem also affect the account itself? I mean, they could ban your account if you come playing with the problems associated with the graphic card?

To answer your banning concerns no, of course not, you won't be ba banned because you crash too much, that's just the game is old and clunky, the anticheat has nothing to do with it

As for the bar reviews, trust me they were there way before this issue appeared, apb had negative reviews for at least three if not more years.

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1 hour ago, Ketog said:

To answer your banning concerns no, of course not, you won't be ba banned because you crash too much, that's just the game is old and clunky, the anticheat has nothing to do with it

As for the bar reviews, trust me they were there way before this issue appeared, apb had negative reviews for at least three if not more years.

 

To re-iterate on that. The more bad reviews that are coming in means people are still playing and people care. I mean right now i would give a bad review due to the detreating, lack of in game moderation and the fact that i cant play without crashing. Yet i love the game. There is no other game out there like it.

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23 minutes ago, Y2Venom said:

 

To re-iterate on that. The more bad reviews that are coming in means people are still playing and people care. I mean right now i would give a bad review due to the detreating, lack of in game moderation and the fact that i cant play without crashing. Yet i love the game. There is no other game out there like it.

oh, don't worry im well aware of it, im just saying that the game already had bad reviews before those crashes, for the reasons you mentionned above and many more, apb is unique, but not perfect.

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interesting catch up read. 

 

Regarding Files. Config files etc.  a few things to be aware of,

1) downloading text files of code/ "game config" can be risky, especially if your not sure about reading/understanding the code. some may contain stuff that will purposely get you banned. or worse have nothing to do with the game [yes there are **** out there that will do that]

2) some config files for one person may/will be tailored for their systems. this can cause more problems for you instead of solving.

3) Be very very carefully what you change/tweak, id advise against it unless you know what your doing.  

Standalone APB client/anticheat does monitor your game installation + other game related files, mainly replaces files it considers "modified"  on launcher load up as well as "during your gaming session"

   [I have mentioned somewhere else about this as "Dxhooking" used for external 3rd party game capture is not a good idea with APB as the anticheat can read it as a false negative and will force close the game]

Steam Client versions "could" but rarely report/ban you, as a false negative . 

 

There is a way to further optimise or increase your game/graphics through "files" that is not considered ban-able. BUT... for the same reason they are not spoken of is because you shouldn't. and I wont share because :

1) it can make the game unstable

2) I wont take the blame for your ban

3) Im under loyal oath - so I can not publish how .

 

 

3k-series graphics cards issue. Further testing the game is running stable, for me. that does not say what I have done in my last post will work for everyone and given that it is not regarded as "simple process" I can not advise doing a clean install of your system.  seek help or family guidance if you wish to do this, but know that it may not be the fix you hoped for. 

 

for those interested - an Update to my testing forcing the game to crash under "vertex" & "out of memory" error  are only on financial (for me), (the generic out of memory error = system ram usage above 3gb will happen on any district regardless)  which although narrows the issue makes it that bit more strange, 

*edit- When running the game in a Crash-able environment" -I have found that with the NVidia control panel setting up a custom m3ds-profile = program settings profile for the apb.exe (not launcher), and pretty much stripping back all the settings, card to power mode normal and texture filtering to "performance" does help the game last longer whilst having the crash issues. . but not the perfect fix. 

I would say those that wish to try this its an easy process, take your time follow the onscreen instructions, once all set to min begin reloading the game and upping the m3ds-profile to the happy medium of a good gaming session and crash.   

 

I read someone said they had a hard crash = full system lock up, were even ctrl+alt+del would not recover them. this is unfortunately more then just the game, that's  a whole different issue, Id definitely question drivers/system setup/ even AV.. Apb over the years has become good at crashing out to desktop with its error reporter. 

 

Stick with -> "Ketog", that the best solution fix is coming in the form of engine upgrade. we can only hope this is sooner then later.. 

 

Additionally having a "alpha" version of the engine/game for those with RTX 3k series cards to play/test would make sense (yes im just impatient after 5+ years) even if only on a tdm map would allow us to be the test subjects.  but ay who am I 😂.   😉dev's  ...  

 

oh and  reviews are just a way for people to vent there dislike or bans, much like the news your more likely to hear or read about the bad, and not the good. 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Sgt Drayke

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So further playing tests this NvC tweak was 👌 (for me, this is very important to keep in mind,)   

 

But because I want this game to keep being populated and for people to enjoy it I have taken the time to screen grab and make this mini guide if you choose to try..

 

BUT  => This is at your own risk/doing, take your time to follow onscreen instructions,  and keep in mind that if it does not work you can simply reverse the steps and remove the profile. 

 

Also this is running the game at the mentioned settings

Basic >  Quality custom (defined by Advanced options) - Game in Window mode only - Vsync off - smooth frame on - Multi gpu off -

AAdanced >  everything on Except = Low Quality Hud off - render Eye Lashes  off - Max Anisotropy 2x - AA Beta Off. 

 

If you do not know how to load Nvidia Control Panel then you shouldn't be following this.  

DO NOT have the game running, it must be completely closed.

 

PhysX default processor

1. go to Config Surround, PhysX - 2. processor select your primary GPU. (unless you run a specific gpu this should always be your primary especially if you are running a 3kseries.) [running secondary gpus for physX is redundant these days 😪]

 

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Very important step before you modify m3d Profiles 

1. go to Adjust Image Settings -  2. set to "use the advanced 3d image settings  THEN YOU MUST CLICK APPLY Bottom Right. , 

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Do NOT select any other option including slider, profiles will only work if this setting is enabled. 

 

1. go to Manage 3d settings - 2 select tab " program settings"  3. If you can not locate your APB.exe in the drop list click on ADD

 3.1 ADD window scroll through the list, 98% of the time the game will be listed as show,  a very rare and odd occasion you may have to click "Browse" and manually find your .exe - This will be in your Binaries folder as "APB.exe" do not confuse it with the launcher or any other exe. 

Once you have selected the exe then click "add selected program" 

 

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1. your APB.exe should now be shown in the droplist box . you can now use the mini drop boxes next to each option 

*** were it states "use Global settings" this is only referring to your current global defaults , my "global defaults may differ to yours. focus on the actual options in the Brackets ( ) **   

 

Additional Warning, - NVC can be slow at times, especially when selecting in the mini lists so click once and wait , try not to use the mouse wheel as this can also change options. go slow keep track of what you are selecting. 

 

Blue Boxes highlighted are set by default and should not need changing.  (providing you have not modified your global settings) 

Red Boxes Highlighted are options I have changed. 

Again click "APPLY" in the bottom right of the window once you have made your changes. your control panel may flicker once or twice. its normal . 

 

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Once you have clicked apply you can close NVC and then load the APB Launcher and run game.  

 

I hope this helps as many of you as possible, even if it just provides you that extra bit of game time.  Remember if you have issues or dislike the options, simply  select the profile you have created and click "remove" or you can "Restore" the profile to default, 

you can also reverse your PhysX options too as well as the Image settings option if you wish to have 1 setting for all games. 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Hello, so I just wanted to update this to my current tweaks which have been really stable. this also includes the recent windows update that caused some fps stutters. 

 

As always this is all based on my setup, which is unique, but focuses on a few key factors surround an RTX 3k  Graphics card. again usual legal "at your own risk" and this is not for the green fingered pc users. 

 

So recap  

Intel 8 Core 16 Thread @3.2 , DDR4 2333mhz (amount doesn't matter but its more then required and above 10gb.)  Graphics Card is an EVGA XC3 Ultra RTX3070 running latest Nvidia drivers. Also Running latest version of Precision X1, with Boost lock off and OSD Disabled.  also running OS on SSD, game is installed to a SATA III (3)6gb 3tb HDD. 

 Extra bits of info, Monitors are connected by display port, at 60hz (max for my monitors)   OS Version 20h2 (from a fresh iso install not Updated to) build 19042.928, This also includes latest Netframework, VC_distru x86 + x64 , also includes Dx update package to include DX12U from os install.  <<< This is very important with RTX 3k,  Fresh OS install is best with 3k cards do not install into an old environment.  

 

Running the game away from an active OS drive is still key, especially hdd, this being a secondary storage device with out OS or other continuous w/r applications on it. for some reason when i run the game on ssd it just doesn't like it . im not going to dig into this issue.   * added note The game is in a completely Vanilla state, no code tweaks or use of AdvL.

 

Iv made a change to the Nvidia Profile for APB Reloaded,  (remember this only works if you tell NVC to use Advanced 3d settings) 

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Copy these , you will see iv set a "background fps limit" as my monitors only go to 60hz, so iv set an over head of 10.  (remember global settings is what my default is, refer to what is in the ( ) Brackets) but i have kept the game / application fps to unlimited max

 

in game settings are as follows.   

 

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You can see here i have disabled Vsync, this is because i run the game in "window mode" which the os does not actively support, however within NVC profiles you can enable the profile to try and actively "vertical sync" the application . which in my personal mind does a better job then the game does in full screen. 

 

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This is how it looks for me, fair enough I run 4k 28" monitors,  I run the game in "2k" 2560x1440. (the best res forget 4k even in fullscreen) and yes this res is still overkill for apb in its current state. 

another pic from game play 

 

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In game screen grab whilst in action, haze had his head shot , fps on the side, not  a massively active scene, but never drops below 61.2 max 62 fps. (vysnc max is 60)

 

   

Last thing. Nvidia Gsync. This I found out has a habit of been on as default,  and for me my monitors although "freesync" do not support Gsync or cross compatibility.  

 

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you can Enable this feature but really it was causing more issues for my work flow then worth the time.  so i disabled the feature out right.  Its worth checking if you do not have compatible monitors to turn this off. 

 

Hope this helps those who wish to play and are willing to learn/tweak.     

Oh and if this helps you get into the game and play then give this a ♥ or 🏆 in the corner so I know we are making progress. 👍 thanks

 

 

 

 

Edited by Sgt Drayke

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On 5/4/2021 at 12:47 AM, Sgt Drayke said:

Hello, so I just wanted to update this to my current tweaks which have been really stable. this also includes the recent windows update that caused some fps stutters. 

 

As always this is all based on my setup, which is unique, but focuses on a few key factors surround an RTX 3k  Graphics card. again usual legal "at your own risk" and this is not for the green fingered pc users. 

 

So recap  

Intel 8 Core 16 Thread @3.2 , DDR4 2333mhz (amount doesn't matter but its more then required and above 10gb.)  Graphics Card is an EVGA XC3 Ultra RTX3070 running latest Nvidia drivers. Also Running latest version of Precision X1, with Boost lock off and OSD Disabled.  also running OS on SSD, game is installed to a SATA III (3)6gb 3tb HDD. 

 Extra bits of info, Monitors are connected by display port, at 60hz (max for my monitors)   OS Version 20h2 (from a fresh iso install not Updated to) build 19042.928, This also includes latest Netframework, VC_distru x86 + x64 , also includes Dx update package to include DX12U from os install.  <<< This is very important with RTX 3k,  Fresh OS install is best with 3k cards do not install into an old environment.  

 

Running the game away from an active OS drive is still key, especially hdd, this being a secondary storage device with out OS or other continuous w/r applications on it. for some reason when i run the game on ssd it just doesn't like it . im not going to dig into this issue.   * added note The game is in a completely Vanilla state, no code tweaks or use of AdvL.

 

Iv made a change to the Nvidia Profile for APB Reloaded,  (remember this only works if you tell NVC to use Advanced 3d settings) 

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Copy these , you will see iv set a "background fps limit" as my monitors only go to 60hz, so iv set an over head of 10.  (remember global settings is what my default is, refer to what is in the ( ) Brackets) but i have kept the game / application fps to unlimited max

 

in game settings are as follows.   

 

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You can see here i have disabled Vsync, this is because i run the game in "window mode" which the os does not actively support, however within NVC profiles you can enable the profile to try and actively "vertical sync" the application . which in my personal mind does a better job then the game does in full screen. 

 

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This is how it looks for me, fair enough I run 4k 28" monitors,  I run the game in "2k" 2560x1440. (the best res forget 4k even in fullscreen) and yes this res is still overkill for apb in its current state. 

another pic from game play 

 

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In game screen grab whilst in action, haze had his head shot , fps on the side, not  a massively active scene, but never drops below 61.2 max 62 fps. (vysnc max is 60)

 

   

Last thing. Nvidia Gsync. This I found out has a habit of been on as default,  and for me my monitors although "freesync" do not support Gsync or cross compatibility.  

 

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you can Enable this feature but really it was causing more issues for my work flow then worth the time.  so i disabled the feature out right.  Its worth checking if you do not have compatible monitors to turn this off. 

 

Hope this helps those who wish to play and are willing to learn/tweak.     

Oh and if this helps you get into the game and play then give this a ♥ or 🏆 in the corner so I know we are making progress. 👍 thanks

 

 

 

 

just as a note, but freesync and gsync are compatible between each other, it's just that freesync's good results aren't guaranteed on nvidia cards.

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Posted (edited)

Hello @Ketog Hmm didn't need to quote the entire thing, but ay ..   cheers for the note. 

 yes "most" are now "supported". But originally they weren't, and thats where confusion starts for non tech players.

So to my understanding some freesync monitors are still not compatible to Gsync (Nvidia) . There is a huge difference to "supported" and "compatible" this is due to the market monopoly between manufacturers and licenses. As well as actual tech (chips)   there is a vast list of freesync monitors that are "ment to be" compatible depending on "build versions" etc.  Just like my own Samsung freesync monitors are ment to be but are not compatible direct from manufacturers and to nvidia specifics  yes I could force them to work.  How ever doing so can cause other issues with os and other applications if you do not do it app specific however app specific is still a pain. Iv spent many hours researching and testing.   Example of this setting NvC to Gsync full screen or windowed application would cause my editing applications to produce visual errors in all available options. 

 

So that's why I have worded my piece how I have to not incorrectly claim a fact. 

 

More info check this article 

 

Besides that good job drayke trying to help others.🙄

 

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2 :Game freezes when you respawn but you can still hear everything happening.

     You can minimise / maximise the game to fix the issue, or do control + alt + del  and click back on the game to unfreeze it.

 

That is exact my problem and it happens a lot, going to try it out if it helps. Hopefully it does!

Already thanks! 🙂

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16 hours ago, Infinate said:

2 :Game freezes when you respawn but you can still hear everything happening.

     You can minimise / maximise the game to fix the issue, or do control + alt + del  and click back on the game to unfreeze it.

 

That is exact my problem and it happens a lot, going to try it out if it helps. Hopefully it does!

Already thanks! 🙂

Sadly that does not work for me. The game keeps being frozen and I can't minimise it either.

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Does this also have anything to do with not being able to play the game? I have a GTX 1650, and recently right after I picked one of my characters, the game immediately kicks me back to the login screen and I couldn't even click to join a district at all. The problem still persists to this day, even after several reinstalls, switching from steam's launcher to GF's launcher, and numerous launcher repairs. 

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On 5/6/2021 at 5:53 PM, Infinate said:

Sadly that does not work for me. The game keeps being frozen and I can't minimise it either.

@Infinate Dm me  Il try to help. currently got alot going on in personal life. but when i can il ping a message back with some pointers. 

 

On 5/8/2021 at 6:05 PM, Naphta1ene said:

Does this also have anything to do with not being able to play the game? I have a GTX 1650, and recently right after I picked one of my characters, the game immediately kicks me back to the login screen and I couldn't even click to join a district at all. The problem still persists to this day, even after several reinstalls, switching from steam's launcher to GF's launcher, and numerous launcher repairs. 

@Naphta1ene GTX family should be good with no real issues. other then 1650 is not a gaming/strong contender.,   This issue youv stated happens to me randomly too. its not graphics related, I think its either a server handshake issue, or worse. 

 

   with apb you shouldnt switch launchers or computers to much, you can lock trades etc from re-intalls and switching.   its another counter measure in place. this "may" also cause the lock out.  but 

 

3 types of this issue,  

1) kick out from log in

2) kick out when selecting a character from within an account (this can just be an issue with handshake between server and client or even getting data from source) 

3) kick out once selecting district as load splash screen appears (this i believe is server handshake  which is why you get kicked right out to log in screen) 

 

   in some instances you can just hit ok, go back out to log in screen (if loaded through steam) just hit the steam log in and it will put you straight into character select and you can join a game.  what i do when it happens. 

 

The kick out and not being able to get back in  is a bit more tricky,. if it physically blocks you from logging in, then i would suspect the entire account has been blocked, why ?? dont know. how to fix.. via support, will it be fixed.. duno / probably not any time soon. (due to staff not in the office etc.) 

 

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On 5/9/2021 at 11:22 PM, Sgt Drayke said:

@Infinate Dm me  Il try to help. currently got alot going on in personal life. but when i can il ping a message back with some pointers. 

 

@Naphta1ene GTX family should be good with no real issues. other then 1650 is not a gaming/strong contender.,   This issue youv stated happens to me randomly too. its not graphics related, I think its either a server handshake issue, or worse. 

 

   with apb you shouldnt switch launchers or computers to much, you can lock trades etc from re-intalls and switching.   its another counter measure in place. this "may" also cause the lock out.  but 

 

3 types of this issue,  

1) kick out from log in

2) kick out when selecting a character from within an account (this can just be an issue with handshake between server and client or even getting data from source) 

3) kick out once selecting district as load splash screen appears (this i believe is server handshake  which is why you get kicked right out to log in screen) 

 

   in some instances you can just hit ok, go back out to log in screen (if loaded through steam) just hit the steam log in and it will put you straight into character select and you can join a game.  what i do when it happens. 

 

The kick out and not being able to get back in  is a bit more tricky,. if it physically blocks you from logging in, then i would suspect the entire account has been blocked, why ?? dont know. how to fix.. via support, will it be fixed.. duno / probably not any time soon. (due to staff not in the office etc.) 

 

Thanks for willing to help but it works now, most of the times because sometimes it just freezes to death lol and no way to get it running again. I still tend to crash a lot though with other errors, a common one I get is the "APB ran out of memory" which I don't understand because I have 16gb of  Physical Memory (RAM).
I just got a fresh desktop so it somehow confuses me since not a lot of different programs should be installed/running that could interfere with APB.

 

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There's multiple versions of the GTX 1650. One has GDDR5 memory, the others have GDDR6. The GDDR6 models have the same crashing issue, "Ran out of memory", as the RTX cards.

 

Use GPUz or CPUz to check which memory type you have.

 

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