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To any moderator: Please afford me the patience & clemency that is afforded to vastly more severe & uncivil topics, as I actually do intend to facilitate an important discussion. Although, I realize some points I may make can be construed as somewhat inflammatory, please bare with me as for some comments I, as a human being (beep boop), will be naturally expressing frustration. I'll add clear delimiters to the whole post so if I must, I will happily edit out problem spaces if asked, to maintain the discussion. However, I respect LO's level of communication & transparency and I believe you can understand my perspective as to why the whole picture is worth presenting forthwith.

(Start of somewhat inflammatory but necessary part)
Top of the evening to y'all, it's Rumple your completely irrelevant drivel spewing post nice lady.


You might remember me from worthless drivel-based discussions that prompted such comments as:


Anyway, I think we deserve some reasonable clarification on what belongs in the Social District if were going to punished for it. I mean I would at least appreciate it since my usual drivel resulted in a warning.

That's right guys, Rumple is a little salty rn.
(End somewhat inflammatory, but necessary part)

(Begin meaningful discussion part)
I think it's unreasonable to punish unevenly and unclearly.

(Rumple argues against himself like a madlad)
Technically speaking the best argument to be made against myself would be I made a "non-contributory post". However, the "non-contributory post" language is a pretty big grey area, we all understand why it has to be, and can I easily pick out 10 topics trending in Social District at the time of writing that we could have a debate on whether or not are "non-contributory posts".

(Rumple calls into question the behavior of his critic)
More importantly, is the correct behavior to reach out to mods directly in an unrelated thread and link another unrelated thread? That's more cut-and-dry of a "non-contributory post", actually since this person not only posted this subject but then went into my topic, did not post but proceeded to down-vote the first 8 posts, one could argue this constitutes harassment, which is strictly against the "Forums Rules". And I would say is a bigger offense. Also they perpetrated harassament against multiple people. 

(Rumple attempts to rally his fellow mind numbing drivel posters)
@BXNNXD @NotZombieBiscuit @Similarities @Puffdragon how do you feel about the harassment leveraged against you? Clearly they fear for their lives as  our senseless drivel is being targeted by pseudo-mods.

(Rumple becomes justice incarnate - treat us equally or don't treat us at all)
Was this person also given a warning? 
At the very least the "Forum Rules' are being applied unevenly. Surely, LO doesn't want users to crawl the forums policing content as some pseudo-mod? And if you do, you need to define the appropriate content more clearly, as "Discuss all things APB Reloaded related here!" is apparently too broad.

My topic in question is a topical topic (haha that's fun to say), directly referring to another trending Social District topic both of which relevant to APB. Both my derivative topic and the source that inspired it were posted and discussed upon in the same forum section. Both topics were not treated equally, the source topic remains in the Social District forum and that OP wasn't harassed by a pseudo-mod and given a nondescript warning.

(Rumple gonna learn you some maths)
Are you familiar with the Transitive Property of Equality? If  "Topic A" belongs in "Forum B" and "Topic C" subject matter is equal to "Topic A" then "Topic C" is permitted in "Forum B". My topic was "Topic B".

(Rumple gonna learn you some copyright law)
Are you familiar with L.H.O.O.Q, more commonly known as The Mona Lisa With A Moustache? This a famous derivative work that is copyright protected, a.k.a granted the same permissions & protections as the original source material by the same governing body. That's an evenly applied rule.

(Rumple is probably the first person to reference the three-fifths compromise of 1787 in any APB forum, ever. Albeit, it's a weak reference. I just wanted to reference it I guess.)
I've just demonstrated using math and legal precedence that I've been treated unequally. LO surely, I don't have 3/5th's the privilege and rights as any other forum user, pseudo-mod or not? Surely...

(Rumple makes a slightly inflammatory comment, but it drives a point home.)
By the way, the warning messaging being completely uninformative is a problem, but that's a separate discussion... or is that more drivel? Could a pseudo-mod tell me? I don't want a 72 hour ban 🤷‍♀️

(Rumple ascends and achieves absolution with some PG-13 inflammatory remarks & sick references bro)
Oh and by the way, how dare anyone calls out people like @BXNNXD and us post whores. Guess who kept this forum & game alive when your May 2018 6 post pseudo-mod motherclucker patootie didn't give a hoot. I participate in this community because I love APB and us sick twisted people who are "post whores" in some unimaginable and evidently ungodly way achieve some sense of pride and accomplishment from even the smallest of contributions we make to the forum. And yes, what we do is make a contribution to this forum & this community. God forbid we permit individuals within the APB community to have fun and be social in the Social District forum, you lint licker.

So...

How do you feel about the clarity, or lack thereof, in the forum rules and pseudo-mod issue APB? Clearly, pocket mods can be just as much as a problem as pocket GM's. But enough about my viewpoint, I wanna facilitate discussion and hear the community.

OH WAIT!
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How's my drivel? Report me to my union rep.

TL;DR - Apply the forum rules evenly or don't apply them at all. To enable applying the rules easily, perhaps the forum rules should be more clearly stated instead of allowed to be so broadly interpreted. A forum user shouldn't incite a forum moderator to punish another forum user while willfully not applying the same rule against the broader community. This is harassment & abuse of power. If it isn't meant to be an abuse, make the rules more clear and apply it to all instead of a few. And especially don't allow staff to be used to target forum users. Jokes & salt aside I make a reasonable argument that I was target & treated unfairly and I can continue to do so with a topic by topic or post by post example. We can't have pocket moderators or pocket game masters.

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Tried to make minor formatting improvements, prob didn't help.

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3 minutes ago, LuzExtinguido said:

Im sleepy, whats the point?

pseduo-mods shouldn't be able to police forums and get real mods to enact the forum rules unevenly against any forum user, especially not anyone who posts drivel.

Say no to pocket forum mods, just like pocket GMs.

It may be a long read, but I dosed in some humor fam.

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1 minute ago, Rumple said:

pseduo-mods shouldn't be able to police forums and get real mods to enact the forum rules unevenly against any forum user, especially not anyone who posts drivel.

You mean sitback moding?

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Just now, LuzExtinguido said:

You mean sitback moding?

I've not heard that term before, but I think we're on the same page here.

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2 minutes ago, LuzExtinguido said:

Backseat modding.

Sitback modding lmao, ima sleep now xD

Yes, precisely. But be careful Luz, by a backseat mods rules we can both get in trouble right now. It depends on how an individual decides to interpret the unclear forum rules & who they complain to.

Are our last few exchanges non-contributory? Perhaps this falls under spamming or bumping? We best tread lightly.

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2 minutes ago, Rumple said:

Yes, precisely. But be careful Luz, by a backseat mods rules we can both get in trouble right now. It depends on how an individual decides to interpret the unclear forum rules & who they complain to.

Are our last few exchanges non-contributory? Perhaps this falls under spamming or bumping? We best tread lightly.

Ive been warned for saying the no-word r****ded (yes with *) 😜

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4 minutes ago, LuzExtinguido said:

Ive been warned for saying the no-word r****ded (yes with *) 😜

Whoa. I can't support your extremist life style! 🙊

I hope no one holds that against you and unevenly applies the rules to you! 🤷‍♀️

Oh wait... Am I now guilty by association? Am I being complicit in a crime? Someone who isn't a moderator please tell me how to behave so I don't get banned!

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1 minute ago, Xnetexe said:

TL;DR pls

The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for reading the entire post.

I'll add a TL;DR though

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1 minute ago, Queen of Love said:

are u a java coder ?

to many scripts 😄

use C++ 😄

 

really, is hard follow the reading, try to syntethize.

It's definitely an ugly post. I'll try formatting it more appropriately.

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I am used to being abused 😉

 

Thanks for sticking up for me though. Please everyone behave yourselves. Mods put a muzzle on me but I can still post, it's just all my posts have to be approved.

Edited by Puffdragon

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Have you tried contacting another moderator besides the one who issued the punishment, and explain that you've been wrongly punished?

 

Other forums similar to this (i.e. War Thunder's) have cases of people being punished by one mod due to them being either too strict or misinterpreting a post (or is legitimately abusing power but cannot be fired because he's the cousin of the game's CEO), and then having the punishment lifted by another mod who is of a different opinion.

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1 minute ago, Xnetexe said:

Have you tried contacting another moderator besides the one who issued the punishment, and explain that you've been wrongly punished?

 

Other forums similar to this (i.e. War Thunder's) have cases of people being punished by one mod due to them being either too strict or misinterpreting a post (or is legitimately abusing power but cannot be fired because he's the cousin of the game's CEO), and then having the punishment lifted by another mod who is of a different opinion.

This is my attempt to surface the issue. While a private message may have been more appropriate, I don't like the idea of privately messaging a moderator anything. If I need game support I'll contact game support. Otherwise a forum issue should be resolved publicly & by all. Something akin to a juror of my peers almost, almost...

I've made my case and I'd like to see where it goes. I feel like if the rules weren't so broad or applied fairly or if the content permitted in the Social District was just more clear, instead of "anything related to APB" then we wouldn't have such confusion.

I appreciate your perspective though. You make a good point about action differing from mod to mod. That's why maybe clearer rules would also be helpful? I couldn't be sure and I alone don't speak for the community so that's why I believe it's a public thing worth discussing. What's a good way to minimize variance to avoid it looking like abuse, especially if a mod didn't really intend to be abusive. I am pushing the issue a little more forceful than I should be, but that's because I want to get thoughtful responses from the community and build a consensus. We're in this together.

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Instead of opening childish thread, open a ticket. report the moderator or just try to contact another moderator and tell them you/them falsely punished.

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13 minutes ago, PTCntte said:

Instead of opening childish thread, open a ticket. report the moderator or just try to contact another moderator and tell them you/them falsely punished.

I am pretty childish person, your request is almost unreasonable! The topic is serving all the purposes you mentioned, just publicly. I don't think I should solicit any public forum assistance outside the public forum. Then I would just be doing what I don't think anyone should be doing. 🤷‍♀️

PTCntte, I see that you're typing and I will respond when I return (it's my bed time) , if I am permitted to return and the topic is still available.

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Really, I couldn't care less about my post count, it's not relevant to me, but I do wonder why people who are openly harassing LO don't get the belt the way I did, I'm not saying my warning wasn't deserved because I believe it is, but I think my warning falling under "Spam" is a bit funny, I wouldn't consider shitposting and spam as one in the same, perhaps one should make a "low-quality post" warning instead, as that's what shitposts are, not necessarily spam.

 

EDIT:

Enforce your rules though, there's no reason for these people to not get a warning when I did for something not nearly as low-quality.

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4 hours ago, Rumple said:

pseduo-mods shouldn't be able to police forums and get real mods to enact the forum rules unevenly against any forum user, especially not anyone who posts drivel.

Say no to pocket forum mods, just like pocket GMs.

It may be a long read, but I dosed in some humor fam.

 

Back in the days, only people with understanding made a forum posts. Nowadays it's a chat for everyone. Forums aren't forums any more, like a collection of facts. People use them to socialize now. Even I already got two or three warnings. Power will always be abused and it will get harder each day, month and year for all communities and environments since, the intelligence quotient of every new generation sets a new record low.

 

Just enjoy the ride.

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woah two mentions in the same thread, am i famous now or something 

 

as a seasoned post nice lady and a newly begun rep collector (i’m still going for 1 billion rep, do your part people!), my opinion is that social district moderation should be kept to a minimum; removing explicit images, closing ingame drama threads, censoring swear words, etc

if i read a topic and decide to respond to someone who may or may not have posted an “off topic” response, or respond with a post only tangentially related to the topic - why exactly is that a problem?

thats how conversations and discussions work, and a majority of threads tend to turn from their original topic for a variety of reasons - and yet i don’t see any moderation on a majority of threads

 

while rumple (and i) are a bit salty over what we see as an unnecessary warning what we really would like is consistent forum moderating, we’ve already been through the whole “terrible mod” scenario with g1 and hopefully orbit can do just as well on the forums as they are with the game

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