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what a waste of time of one may "waste" his/her time for better arts ...

*****Link below Bye

Make me laugh at the though that last time in aslyum as load out I was using nfa9+ sniper, I made it 30+kill each matchup just with the Nfa9 against people using PMG, JG etc and all server blame me I was cheating. I admit that day I was pretty lucky but tell it is bad collide with the fact the nfa9 make me surpraisngly happy those old days XD

I have to tell the nfa9 is not so bad, especially nfa9 barrakuda (u will unlock when maxed/almost maxed gunslinger role) is really good in close ranges, these little more shots give the balance it need for become complete. Strange almost no one talk about it, until 7/8 m may give a HARD COMPETITION to really strong CQC specialist weapons such as PMG or JG.

Agreed... case closed (why did u delete my video and post? @Amayii stop to haunt meee XD)

HUE, you are so bad, let me just some hopes for (good one -.-) weapon rebalacing at least...

My apoligize I havent been clear, My answer wasnt just for you but also the others ones who continue opening discussion, sincerly talking you dont seem/ have to ever use it, but that's a nevermind guess at the end, so more logic think you are a new player, then as I told we have already discussed about it, check at search next time. Now for clarify, You continue to tell the atac break the balance between SMG and assault rifles cause it's cheap, but that's just a matter of effective/ skill curve of weapon. I mean take one player with a ATAC and one player with JG. A player using ATAC will start pretty well cause it's effective and work well from the begin, no need a lot skill for perform well with atac, cause as u told is CHEAP. Putting in example number, player first times using ATAC is 6.5/10..... but at max using it will reach 7/10. At the end For 7/10, I mean u have between your hands a good weapon for casual matchups, perform well in everything but it doesnt excell in nothing. Instead, at the beginning a player using the CSG/JG will perform pretty bad cause the "skill curve for a good effective use" is quite higher than atac. Putting in example number, player first times using CSG is 4/10.. but at max using it, and for max using it I mean everytime 2 clear shots for kill in CQC, he will reach.. 10/10 For 10/10, what I mean? a very good player, yep player not just the weapon, that he's using at the fullest of his potential a shotgun in APB, and in CQC there isnt faster or worse meet of one able to bishotting you almost everytime. I hope now this analogy make your thoughts clear. Bye

Totally agree.. except for the nano isnt unchanged, suffer more from rng/bloom as all automatic than non-auto secondary in APB, you have just get a bad Rng lately... The "normal thunder" deserved a nerf, at the beginning the low TTK and pellet spread make it such as strong or slighlty superior to CQC primary weapon specialist such as JG, CSG, Nfas etc... so no total sense, just I dont like the same politics drop a new weapon, make it OP-sell a lot- NERF- weapon send to get dust in the locker. Maybe increasing the TTK to 0.80/0.85 s and revert the pellet spread (slightly) as before, it may remake it viable as before. The showstopper was ok after the first nerf, now is A LITTLE TOO RNG, I dont get it why and who got the idea for change it again.. If someone want a good CQC secondary and have gunslinger maxed, TRY THIS BEAST HERE ,until 10m you will not regreat the CHOICE to switch to it XD https://apbdb.com/items/Weapon_Pistol_NFA9_PR1

Worth a first try.... It's maybe the only weapons pack I dont have so I dont know if it's bad or good , The ttk (0.790 s ) is quite high for a close range weapon bah...

HUH.... We have just to finish discuss about it neither 10 days ago and here we go again.... No bro, the problem is your newbie mentality, every weapon is killing you think is OP/P2W, especially if you cant purchase it from NPC's contacts, dont worry everybody here when we join in APB thought the same thing. I dont get it why Flaw with his experience and being a good player is so mad against the atac, but cleary after +35m atac lose a lot accuracy(u showed also several times a full mag it isnt enough for killing ones after 30m ), and in close range is inferior against CQC weapon specialist such as Oca, PMG, JG etc.. I really like this syntesis about Atac.. Bye

Another thread in game suggestion? Do you want a suggestion? Prepare after 1 week to see sadly dust and piss on it Answering to the tread: Full agree with you, I bought it and regreat a little for it, at least it was a little less expensive the idea of this purchase was a little more painless XD Dont try ask a refound or change weapon despite the trial unvaialble , accept you have been baited Frenzy and Rabid... yep them too same speech, but at least the manic was decent....

Too bad I am not so lucky with pmg at 30/40m+, I have to switch to secondary... Seriously talking, just random RNG, then about crouching with pmg thinking the accuracy is worst... PMG: - Per Shot Modifier 0.50 / Shot Modifier Cap 0.50 / Recovery Delay 0.100 / Recovery Per Second 7.20 -Crouch Modifier 0.80 Not agree for accuracy and tkk nerf, about range.. why not? Damage drop off start at 35m, barely you can use it at 20m, change drop off at 25m, then maybe not only PMG, for all the SMG with ttk <= .70

Competing talking, Dopefish wasnt nothing special(but a good one eh ), maybe at the best get the crown for """bullying""" some new players or with shit latency/ computer XD There a lot above the good line but the ones I found quite impressive during the years are Kempington, Flaws, Failstation, N1no, Anxii, Huntorax, especially the last 2 sometimes were stray ragequit bullet when they are on around XD

Upside vote: Puma: 7+ Deaton: 6.5 (not really my genere..) my favourite melodic metal group (togheter dark tranquillity)...

I retain them slipt in 2 categories: 1* People "abuse some" apb mechanics, spots, griefing your mission or calling clan/friends for doing so + insulting the air you breath and family maybe too, cause maybe after using everything they get mad and the only way they answer to it, it's just insulting and griefing your playtime. I accept players to play dump (and me too I switch sometimes to the dump side, but that's only because you are a lot better than me and make u suffer a little become a duty XD), but insulting in a game cause you lose... eh come on bro, if you play for insult, take a break and breath outside and do the same with some people at the distance of your nose, you will get what you give in boi, games are made for enjoy and turning off our mind, better spend your time to a therapist if it'already fucked up... Some French boys (yes boys, no the girls are overall "over-ok" ) I hope you will understand that, we other players of other nations are good teamates, just give us sometimes a changes XD... 2* People use cheat.... worst and saddest tryhard of every game... if you want the god mode play alone in some custom game, why bothering the others, where is the fun?

? Maybe I told my opinion in a joking mode and u interpreted it as an insult, my apoligize it wasnt my intention, what I tried to tell (as others), answering just with nerfs on nerfs after another nerf every time, it's not the answer for resolving the balancing matter and that's confirmed (also from you words ironically ) from the actual situation cause now, around the 90% weapon available in armas/games arent META or competitive with the usually (neither exactly..)10 ones. In my opinion PMG isnt Over powered, cause -first, drop off is after 30/35m but his effective range is max around 20m, so his use/versatily is limited from this fact. -after 15m a lot weapons in medium range/ quick switch secondary such as star, ntec, far, may compete and beat it... I killed a lot good player in 10m+ using a ap45 or fbw, and I am just decent with them. -very close range match up comparison against other weapon specialist ex : JG/ good latency CSG especially in defence match ups>>>>> PMG, normal match up decent JG user>> decent PMG -the PMG's bullets spray relatively in a big crosshair, RNG involved a little lot more than other close range weapons and it, his precion, it's directly unproportional to the distance between you and the opponent... so translated.....PMG kills in teorically 5 shots, pratically in game u will spend from 7/8 to above -For last, add to the pile the slow fire rate. I write again if it wasnt clear, I respect your opinion and I understand your (right) anger for the bad balancing, but nerf it's not the answer, in my opinion need a point view that include ALL AND EVERYTHING for better compresion of the thing and arrive to a solution. Then about, You talk of nerf, Then ok, but Then, what do u want exactly nerf? what do you mean for nerf?, what do want or would to change for obtain at the end a weapon will not be or will be to send in the other trash pile? I have maybe around 30+ permanent weapons (as a lot player here) got during these several years in apb, especially these last ones with LO, I am disappointed a lot of them "are just getting the dust" staying forever close in the weapon locker and I would like my "investements" worth something more than that. Bye

I am pretty sure I didnt receive any discount with my last purchase, I bought a account lifetime not a "rent" for 30 days.. I wrote it also here somewhere some weeks ago cause one guy made the same question for purchasing tips and I give this feedback(link down). Maybe LO at that righ moment disabled the discount I dont know, but sincerly I dont care, I appreciate the LO kindness to give free premium to everyone as LO set armas price are OK ( for precision, I dont need any free premium and nothing from anyone, but I appreciate despite behind a game business sometimes you may arrive to remind there are people managing it and to see they try give humanity and kindness in what they can do it, it's a good and rare thing) @MattScott Just my only criticism... I would like it's LO spent less effort to adjust price and more effort to adjust the weapons... community may help a lot here, glad to see (seem for now) a change in this direction.

It's just a situational weapon... as u told the fact of corners/covers give a vantage cause u can use it better than any smg... of course a pmg his forte win a lot more in versatilty side(close range) and it's not poor thing, ntec docet. God tier no.. it's just balanced, too bad other shotguns (such as dow ) and smg (such as norse, troublemaker, aces) are trash. Smg is probabily with sniper weapons, the weapon category with higher numbers of TRASH WEAPONS or bad optimized...

in fight clubs or close range match up, 99% I will switch with jg as primary, I assure u 7/10 it's my win and I am neither so good using it, just decent. I have around 20 vegas with 200+ days, but the poise and dopamine a vaquero give when you dodge a rocket or corner kill a team or half opponent team has no price XD

Nope.. at least from my last purchases I dont receive any discount after trial time. Then sincerly, I have difficult to understand on which standard or conjecture others find the armas' price so high

I guess this will be the next discussion of @a Pair of Socks .....

I hope you arent like some (weirdo) people like to "embrace" or live surrounded in their house full of trash or unuseful things, cause you know it's a disease... Nice suggestion windup timer short range short damage radius poor radius of damage, no seriously start from around 50% hp at the perfect epicentre to directly nothing XD

Agreed with you, but I tell YES, if LO shall get example from some online games "FreetoPlay "where for reducing a lot cheater's players in game decide to act with some interesting actions in Competitve tournaments. Rougly of how they have this game, for new players there is a max of 60 hrs game time but they may unlock it to inifinite for just 2$ if they just get the starter pack that give a permanent weapon, increased magazine store, more decals etc... high levels or competitive/ tournament maps unlocked after around 200 hrs of gameplay (seem fair and logic as every game understing curve). After a bunch of hacker/ cheaters got in the radar of some tournaments/ high level maps, they have to answer it in tribunal and I read of two have paied around 30 freaking thousand dollars, I swear I didnt see anything that can make suspicios to think one is a hacker or cheaters after level 40 (max level is 90...). Lately, Legal ways proceedings from several online game companies have established clearly is one if not the best way for avoid cheaters or punish them. Maybe after Engine Update, if LO @MattScott would like to add some competitive/ tournament match up worth give some thoughts to this model. Ah yep... I am one of the ones still waiting clan wars after almost 10 years, I will be very happy to see it truth one day... Bye

thank you Matt and Martin, we have waited until a double M for making a "real starting" for weapon balance or at least... bodes well

Nice idea and effort (my praise for it because you have done well it ) but... but my question... anyone LO staff will check these FEEDBACK-s for getting some actions later? Also, I dont see any SPCT team here seeming tell something here... I am feeling bad such as when I give a thought at the game suggestion's treads where pratically is "fawless" empty from any sign of members/ (especially) staff tell some thoughts or discussion about... Sorry for the question, but it shall be nice if some staff tell "vaguely" here at least they recognizes it and my (and you others) the 2/3 min spent for it worth something, without count the ones Martin spent for making it. Bye