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Same .. I wanted more ..

I’m kind of up in the air about the proposed “Cheat Points” accrual, and subsequent segregation pools. I’m guessing this approach is specific to Districts and not Fight Club. A segregation pool for Fight Club would imply that Cheaters would be forwarded to one instance of FC , but non-Cheaters would be forwarded to another instance of FC. I do not believe Jericho has the population to populate 2 FC’s. If this is the case than Cheaters and non-Cheaters would still exist in only one FC instance, defeating the purpose of “Cheat Points” and segregation. And with no more bans, FC might not be the best place for non-Cheaters to engage in any competitive gameplay, as it has not been able to exist between these two player types. So basically no competitive gameplay would be had in FC. So with Districts being the viable option where the population “might” support this concept of segregation pools, then comes the question of incentives. No Bans anymore for Cheaters. Cheaters can enjoy the use of 3rd party tools, potentially a short lived experience going up against non-Cheaters until that Cheater reaches a certain threshold to be segregated to the Cheater Pool. A fair assumption that there will always be some Cheaters that have not yet reached that threshold, and until such time, will continue competing against non-Cheaters. What incentive will there be for non-Cheaters to not Cheat ? There are no longer any penalties for Cheating, so …… There really is no incentive that I can see for a Cheater to not cheat. They will continue playing, potentially going up against other Cheaters. May the best Aimbot win, so to speak. I’m still trying to wrap my head around how this is all going to all play out. Although, it may be a few months I guess until Microsoft certifies the SARD drivers and such. Curious how this will all work. If Matt ever wants to do a Q/A specially about this new concept, that would be an interesting discussion. EDIT: Here's another scenario that will probably come up, but not sure how it would be handled. 4 friends create their group to team up and play. One of the players has reached the "Cheater" threshold, and marked for segregation. The other 3 friends have not, or are non=Cheating characters/players. They K up for a mission. How is segregation handled in this scenario ?

I think @VanilleKeks has a point, concerning NO real ramifications for using 3rd part tools. On one point, the solution would be to ban the offender to insure fair game play. APB has followed this Mantra for a some time.. Just like any other gaming company. The other argument is to segregate the offenders to match up with other offenders, assuming that all have reached the “Cheat Point” threshold. Citadel, may very well survive this approach, as their population’s high point, on any given day is around 350 players. Probably less time to wait for a “K” up mission to start. Jericho will have a problem, as their population on a good day is around 120. I hope Jericho's population decline is not because of players using 3rd party tools...... Smaller pool of players to create segregation pools based on “Cheat Points” A legit player, or even a segregated player will probably have to wait longer for a district match up in Jericho. Penalties: Penalties for using 3rd party tools to gain an advantage. A) Perma ban.. Lose character and Inventory. with a possible unban 2 or 3 years later. (the unban is not a guarantee) (Goal of the cheater is to test the efficacy of 3rd party tools, and to forward all ill-gotten gains to the primary account - Non-cheating account) (alt accounts are throw aways) Pros: Clean district for a very short window of time for competitive game play. (window of time has been around 3-10 days) Cons: Banned player starts new account with anon email of 20+ waiting to start up. (need to direct proceeds to Primary (non-cheating) account.) (money, weapons, etc) Report discrepancies to “Tool Maker” for updates. As Matt Scott has explained.. “Rinse & Repeat” B) Segregation: Players using 3rd party tools to gain advantage earn “Cheat Points” to create a segregation pool for match up. Might be effective depending on what server. Server with a larger player base might work. Question: If players using 3rd party tools to gain an advantage will only be segregated and not banned, or at the very least, lose some inventory, does that not “promote” the concept of…. “When in Rome”.. I mean, everyone could use 3rd party tools with no concerns of being banned. Would that not bring us back to competitive game play ? Albeit with the help of some 3rd party tools ? (this discussion should be interesting .. haha) C) Inventory Loss: Player achieves a certain threshold of “Cheat Points” Segregation and the following potential losses. Let’s use a Cheat Point score to 100. 1) 25-50 Segregation 2) 50-75 Segregation Loss of money & 2-3 inventory items (player receives email of Cheat Point notoriety) (they have 20+ email accounts, will they ever see the email ?) 3) 75-100 Segregation Loss of money & most of their inventory items Maintains a threshold of 75-100 for a period of time. Bank Wipe.. Also, let us keep track of who they are trading with. Co- Conspirators… or maybe the Primary account. Yeah, no punishment… I dunno, maybe we should all just jump in the pool.

I would advise against it. But that's me.

I think divulging any information that potentially compromises sources and methods should be avoided. Thank you for your interest.

Admittedly , I have not participated in any holiday events that were hosted in the last 10 ,, maybe 12 years. Sorry G1 .. But this Epidemic looks interesting. Edit: Although I did shoot a few pumpkins.

Although I cannot pronounce your Forum Name, in any recognizable form, I always wondered if players help players in game with tips, and whatnot .. Playing in PUB groups is not my 1st choice. Intuitive Teamwork gameplay with no Voice comm is rare, but does happen. I always liked voice comm when playing, But that's me .

I am reminded of the many times I was outgunned where my unskilled opponent using 3rd party tools to gain an advantage, outgunned me with their FBW secondary against my primary "badder gun" the SHAW. Many people told me that it was probably lag, but I didn't believe them. Thank God that we have SARD now.

So , are you saying that all of my silent prayers each night after the implementation of SARD to insure fare gameplay against unskilled players using 3rd party tools to gain an advantage for the win have gone unanswered ? Oh Christ ...

I can't speak for everyone, but I thank God that we have SARD to help insure fair gameplay.

I'm gonna have to second this motion... I understand that SARD is doing it's thing, collecting / analyzing data and such... And we all know Matt does not like to ban players( cheaters) ... We get it . But, at some point, we need to prioritize player (Customer) experience, and allow for a level playing field and competitive gameplay. As much as there is a high appreciation for the multiple UnBann waves over the last few years, at some point we need to protect competitive gameplay, and lure those players that have turned their backs on 3rd party tools, back in to San Paro. Many of us are still waiting .. Little Orbit ... what say you ?

Thanks for explaining this. I remember that LO changed the weight of the Cisco, and there was no noticeable difference in the vehicles acceleration from a stopped position. I noticed that the acceleration was not as "punchy" when I last played on 9/28. I thought it was lag at first, but when looking at the output using /fps, I was not experiencing any lag. So it seems something did change after the weight change. Cheers !!

I have the Cisco JX04 "DevilDog", so I am assuming that the changes to the Charge Cisco applies to the Devil Dog. Question for the ill-informed ? How does this affect the car ? Charge Cisco: Reduced the amount the Cisco's chassis moves when accelerating. ChassisTorqueFactor reduced from 0.04 to 0.01 I never really noticed the chassis swaying about before, ( if that's what is meant by "chassis moves when accelerating" ) I did notice a few days ago (9/28), that the Cisco was not as quick in acceleration as it was a couple of weeks ago. Not sure if changes were snuck in during the 9/25 patch or I was imagining it.

I am guessing that we should be adding an exception for SARD in our virus scanners. https://imgur.com/s86YVoS I tried to use the Insert image from URL, but that does not seem to work for me. Edit: The following files were Quarentined: D:\Program Files(x86)\Gamersfirst\APB Reloaded\Binaries\SARD\armour.dll C:\User\<name>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Internet Exploerer\MSIMGSIZ.DAT

So, crosshair overlays, a 3rd party tool, would negate, the in game crosshair bloom effect when firing ? Hmm. I suppose that might provide a competitive advantage vs vanilla APB.