Second Chances

[MACKxBOLAN 413]

Now, Its On. 

@GM's I have no clue what or why you did what you did. 

But I took it as an Attack, by Staff on Legit players. 

Seems everytime I try to be nice, I get shoved into the hate canister by Staff.

As I've said before, When Pushed, I tend to Push back. 

Your mistake is making war with someone who knows they are right, 

are righteous, and believes whole heartedly that You and your circle 

are unrighteous. and Your actions just proved it. 

Putting me in an out of bounds place to get me banned. 

You only messed me out of my tickets temp, I came back and got them. 

I will continue getting these worthless tickets, as that is what I do. 

I figure the opp i was fighting who seemed legit for once, you decided to 

help them win n get me killed or banned by forced teleport. 

 Now I'm seething Mad. Oh you won't hear a peep from me. 

I wont bother writing Mafia Matt, cuz he wont be back for at least a year

and never reads him mail, and I believe you forced him into the ama. 

I'm going to take out your friends, 'In-game' Legit and Legally. 

And Thank You, You ruined my BirthDay. 

[ElectroStingz 52]

15 hours ago, Y2Venom said:

Statistically 4 of them should be false banned, but not 1 has been banned. Its just bizzar.

How did you determine this as no one implied anywhere?

[Hexerin 1132]

8 hours ago, ElectroStingz said:

How did you determine this as no one implied anywhere?

[ 4 * 0.35 = 1.4 ]

 

Can't have 0.4 of a person, so you round down to 1.

 

EDIT: Misread other user's post. Math is still the same though. They would have 12-14 friends who play the game.

 

[ 12 * 0.35 = 4.2 ]

[ 13 * 0.35 = 4.55 ]

[ 14 * 0.35 = 4.9 ]

 

Ultimately, it's irrelevant though. Statistics don't work the way user is applying them. It isn't "35% of each person's friend group" it's "35% of all players" which means it's easily possible for plenty of players to not be associated with anyone who was banned (falsely or not).

Edited June 30 by Hexerin

[Yapopal 151]

The game is unplayable! I am amazed at the number of cheaters. This is the level of some crappy server that you forgot to turn off!

[ElectroStingz 52]

46 minutes ago, Hexerin said:

It isn't "35% of each person's friend group" it's "35% of all players" which means it's easily possible for plenty of players to not be associated with anyone who was banned (falsely or not).

 

Yes correct but also the more you look into it things just don't make any sense too.

 

The blog post by Matt states "over 35% of our playerbase was falsely banned"

 

But upon further reading he then states the following.

"Over the course of our investigation, we found there simply wasn’t enough information to make that determination"

 

So if they were unable to distinguish false from genuine, how can it possibly be known that over 35% was falsely banned?

The numbers don't make sense to anyone unless we have the full facts / variables presented because also one cannot account for what the remaining 65% represents.

 

65% of the playerbase remaining is what? = genuine cheaters + non cheaters + TOS violations + ?...

This alone would suggest a very high number of banned players which is definitely not the case. (again without knowing the ban period and what constitutes a playerbase all is meaningless)

 

On the subject of the unbanning, I'm more interested to know what it did to the game from Little Orbit's point of view.

- Did it help the game in any way?

- Is revenue up?

- How are you players feeling now?

- How did this benefit you?

 

Please share some thoughts on the impact this and what this has done for you.

[MACKxBOLAN 413]

54 minutes ago, ElectroStingz said:

- How are you players feeling now?

The act of unbanning, and going for everyone ever banned is not really the salty chip here.

We knew even before eac was installed that it was not going to do the job we wanted.

So to say it false banned or was ineffective is not surprising and therefore the unbanning 

is justified, it is also justified if Matt thinks that perm bans are to harsh, possibly he 

implements Timed Bans in the future.

 

  It is the physical demeanor of Matt when talking about this issue on ama. 

Was kinda like throwing his hands up n saying, There is nothing we can do. 

Maybe we'll try this other thing down the road.

 When at the time we already had a big problem in NA with blatants. 

So now we are stuck in this till a new AC comes in. In the mean time, 

We are suppose to make a report, that would be manually handled, so 

without proof it's almost useless to report. 

Disappointed at the failure of eac, feeling a bit betrayed, feel like I have to follow 

Rules, and others don't. 

 I don't feel LO is moving fast enough in advancing the game, and this effects my 

presumption of how long it will be till an AC is put in. 

  

[Nagletz 212]

I'm convinced people here clearly forgetting the reason why they unbanned everyone instead of those who possibly was false banned. Also isn't there was a lot of cheaters before? Most likely these unbanned were their mains, not much difference then.

[MACKxBOLAN 413]

6 hours ago, Nagletz said:

forgetting the reason why 

Seems to be two reasons.

1. being the 35%. This figure is based on a Test of EAC within a controlled testing district. 

So this is not the actual players and bans, this is results from a test. 

 So with these results reflecting on actual bans at 35% being wrong, and there is no way 

to turn back the clock and individually decide which of pool of the banned were false. 

So Must unban all to make it right. 

 

 2. It would seem by Matts statements that he frowns upon perm bans. 

 

  And Yes most of the banned falsely or not, did make other accounts.

Not all but those that were hackers went on hacking, the toxics went on toxing

under dif names. This is why we see so many strange names and they all talk 

like they been playing since the 1800s. So No there isn't much difference.

 

The timing is terrible though, because of the current number of toxics and hax. 

Not having a replacement AC installed prior to an unbanning. 

Their priorities are shameful, the car parts for the mirage just sitting there and

I don't see it getting attention. They need to finish things they start, and they 

should have prioritized these things better and finished them before moving on to 

other things like MM. I think the new MM is great.

 This AC testing should have been done at install or before, the entire AC system needed 

to be perfected as best as it could be, before moving on to other things.

As a business you need integrity. It doesn't matter what color you paint the wagon, how 

many features and content you put in the wagon, they are useless if you let hackers and 

toxics run free. Why ride the wagon if these types will just knock you off. 

So You made the car, put in on the market unfinished, now this is after the fact of not 

fully testing the AC, then you move to fixing MM, then you move back to addressing the 

 AC and its false bans, we talk about the car but again put it aside, then ya let the banned back in.

and are told to stfu n stay in the corner while the 'Royals of Scorn' have the run of the city. 

 

[GoPlayUWO 10]

"We didn’t JUST unban cheaters. We unbanned players who violated our terms and conditions, such as selling items online or bad conduct in game. A multi-year ban for those kinds of mistakes seems punishment enough.

We believe in second chances. This is it. It is an opportunity for everyone to start fresh, respect the rules, and enjoy what is coming."

 

A smart move to use the plural, meaning, in the far future, no matter how (much) intentional cheaters/exploiters/people breaking CoC and ToS will keep... doing what they were doing to be banned, they will be unbanned over and over and over and over and over and over and over. I guess the famous bulgarian-english cheater was right typing: "WE ALL KNOW getting banned after the first time OBJECTIVELY doesn't count so we can keep cheating".

Congratz, you showed again you are only 1-2 steps above prostitution. I hope you will teach your children (but I hope you're not a parent, at this point) the meaning of ethics and morality, and the difference between "educere" and "instruere" (a good reason to learn some latin, applied to real life). But seems you desperate need money coming from a bigger playerbase (don't worry, it's a cheap but always useful and working strategy).

One question: what you were thinking, years ago, when you said: "We are not going to tolerate any kind of behaviour or action against our terms and conditions"?

Too bad I'm disillusioned enough this post will be deleted after 1 minute.

 

Absit iniuria verbis!

 

(P.s.: What I typed DOESN'T APPLY TO PEOPLE FALSELY BANNED, ofc)

 

[MACKxBOLAN 413]

2 hours ago, GoPlayUWO said:

This is it. It is an opportunity for everyone to start fresh, respect the rules, and enjoy what is coming."

Don't believe anything is Coming, they may have some pipe dreams, but that will be years.

So what about the people that followed the rules all this time, Why are they the Target now. 

Doesn't do any good to follow the rules, that gets you attention from GMs. 

The Sanctioned run around with perfect aim telling the Unsanctioned that they suck. 

Cuz thats the best word a 14 yr old can use. And they get away with it.

  Ya get seized from a mission n placed out of bounds, if you are a rule follower. 

They trying to ban me by putting me out of bounds, So now ya gotta watch out for 

Toxics and Hax, and Staff, who all seem to be working together to ban One Man. 

Really I'm flattered.

 It took some 3 years to make a reskin car, and they won't finish it, or can't.

How long do you think it would take to put in these 'New Things Coming" ?

Gee my other game has 10 new things every day.

 The 'other game is bad for my face though, why? Cause it causes me to grin and 

smile and that cracks my old skin thats been cemented into a frown by apb.

 

[PingOVER9000 187]

On 6/23/2024 at 9:17 PM, LilyRain said:

What point would that be, the delusion that banning Cheaters or keeping them banned would stop them? Are you not aware of the simple fact that Cheaters don't need any permanent account to do their thing?

 

Let's be real. If you were amongst those that got falsely banned, would you agree to stay banned.... Be the sacrifice in order for throwabble cheat-accounts to stay banned?

 

We both know your answer to that is no. Therefore, you're the hypocrite here.

LMAO, I don't know what animal or enviroment educate you, but where I live or  general common sense,  "for antonomasia" accept hypocris or accept of ignoring it, still make you a hypocrit . . . Just because the game situation was already bad for years enough for saying it had became a  habit seeing the game's full of cheaters, it's not enough for be a good reason for justify this un-banning wave without criteria.

It'll change nothing unbanning the cheaters, let alone improving the game, on the contrary it's  just confirming cheaters'll have less reasons to being afraid and more players'll emulate them or just leave, if LO really wanted to stop them, they shall at bare least trying, I've not see that at all.

 

Sorry bro but  if you continue play and accept these condition, I think I can be legit pissed (for you too, I guess? ) but You're the delusional one here, not me.

 

On 6/23/2024 at 11:19 PM, CookiePuss said:

On 6/23/2024 at 8:34 PM, PingOVER9000 said:

Here of "Lost", it's the embarrassment of how much this game and Little Orbit has sunk down so much it'll make laugh a stuffed chicken inside a Oven ... Same for the bs you're writing for years, " Friend "

I’m sorry I just don’t understand you. 

 

 

[LilyRain 650]

15 hours ago, PingOVER9000 said:

LMAO, I don't know what animal or enviroment educate you, but where I live or  general common sense,  "for antonomasia" accept hypocris or accept of ignoring it, still make you a hypocrit . . . Just because the game situation was already bad for years enough for saying it had became a  habit seeing the game's full of cheaters, it's not enough for be a good reason for justify this un-banning wave without criteria

The sad part is that 'the game situation being bad for very long' was not the reason. The justification was already clearly stated. YOU not liking it enough to the point where you are blatantly in denial... Sadly makes YOU the uneducated, hypocritical animal. 

 

15 hours ago, PingOVER9000 said:

 

It'll change nothing unbanning the cheaters

There you go! You have just mentioned why you crying about all of this is meritless. 

 

15 hours ago, PingOVER9000 said:

let alone improving the game

Improving the game is a separate endeavor. Don't mix the two. Besides, having slightly more people means less dead game, means the game IS better despite gameplay being the same, Doofus.

 

15 hours ago, PingOVER9000 said:

just confirming cheaters'll have less reasons to being afraid and more players'll emulate them or just leave, if LO really wanted to stop them, they shall at bare least trying, I've not see that at all.

For the millionth time, Cheaters don't have to cheat on their primary accounts. On what parallel universe would they even be afraid when they can just mass produce accounts? Are you seriously incapable of comprehending this? 

 

15 hours ago, PingOVER9000 said:

 

Sorry bro but  if you continue play and accept these condition, I think I can be legit pissed (for you too, I guess? ) but You're the delusional one here, not me.

And here you show that you are another person that accepts Terms of Service without actually reading them. 

 

Be pissed all you want, you don't make the 'conditions'. Nobody cares 

 

Try again once your denial isn't as high as your ping.

Edited July 7 by LilyRain

[PingOVER9000 187]

2 hours ago, LilyRain said:

SniP the bs 

Of course I am legit in denaial with your conclusions . . . I can accept the ignorance of people, but I cannot accept the hyprocisis and incompetence and people defending these valours.

I am not only one here to share this opinion above, the numbers of people complaining and left the game talk enough, there's nothing right with your reasons.

 

Players posted several suggestions and if LO really wanted there're options for having a game more viable without cheaters - - - If they dont want or can't afford for a registered and supported anticheat, for ex. gamemasters/admins supported from a game communties are experiments some game publishers tried and worked, here it's more a matter Little Orbit is not ever trying taking actions, let alone considering OPTIONS, they don't care and for you it's fine just because it's always like that ? . . . how I can be the delusional and not you here, when exactly as you said the situation is always the same LMAO?

 

 I've nothing to add, and it was better you to be quiet instead of wring the no sense bs of above, you're such an embarassment, what you've wrote it's a tantrum worth of a freak at best LMAO.

 

Bye

[LilyRain 650]

1 hour ago, PingOVER9000 said:

Of course I am legit in denaial with your conclusions . . . I can accept the ignorance of people, but I cannot accept the hyprocisis and incompetence and people defending these valours.

I am not only one here to share this opinion above

Opinions hold zero value when facts exist. It gets worse, you don't even have an opinion, just random rage gibberish talk. I could honestly care less about what someone like you accepts or doesn't accept. Reality most certainly doesn't care either.

 

1 hour ago, PingOVER9000 said:

I've nothing to add

As if that is new. You never did and you never will. LO isn't perfect but your can have fun convincing yourself with trying to parade people into LO-hate in cases where it doesn't apply.

Edited July 7 by LilyRain

[BlatMan 695]

Have both of you been smoking with Mack lately?

[GoPlayUWO 10]

Let's not focus on cheaters'/false bans "problem" for a sec, but on CoC and ToS violations leading a ban lift. I think Matt did 2 huge mistakes talking about "multi-year bans" when someone could have been banned literally this year or 3 weeks ago, and above all the disgusting use of the word "mistakes", meaning racist/whatever remarks, multiple attempts to ruin others' game experiences, death threats and many many many more examples of "breaking the rules" scenario , are considered... simple mistakes. We are not talking about something "subjective" (take this term cum grano salis), like "Omg, 90% pop is cheating/I bet my life he's legit, unban my friend" and so on. A scam is a scam, ethnic slurs are ethnic slurs, menacing someone to kill him/her irl is something serious even if we aren't snowflakes, and they are the first examples I am thinking about. So, again, where's the zero-tolerance Matt was talking about at the beginning of his journey on APB? I think we understimated this problem, considering I keep reading (even if interesting) replies about cheating. Or maybe it's too late (2 am) and I need to got to bed...

[MACKxBOLAN 413]

On 7/7/2024 at 10:24 AM, BlatMan said:

Have both of you been smoking with Mack

ROTF

 All this hogwash in this thread is past tense, it is what it is, they have done it, now we deal with it.

 And we the players deal with it alone. 

 I might add that following the rules got me no where. Nice Guys finish Last.

So Ill just have to block the toxics and ignore the hackers. 

Just look for stolen cars or steal, missions are out now. 

[PingOVER9000 187]

On 7/7/2024 at 5:49 PM, LilyRain said:

Opinions hold zero value when facts exist.

LMAO  . . .  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

Now I wonder a little why you're arguing and meawhile tryhard being so eloquent/ copying bs random speech from some probabily loser telenovelas for just contradting yourself. . . 

About facts without counting the ones under G1, This is the SECOND UN-BAN WAVE under LO, it's a LOOP we've already seen the results, just ALoNe un-banning cheaters and players false-banned all togheter didnt improve the game.

It a story has happened before and it'll just repeat again.

 

Yes, Here the zero "gibberfish" value of opinion, yep the yours  . . . Now I've really nothing to add and thanks for the laugh I guess, lol what a nutcase

 

Bye

 

Merged.

 

On 7/9/2024 at 12:36 AM, GoPlayUWO said:

So, again, where's the zero-tolerance Matt was talking about at the beginning of his journey on APB? I think we understimated this problem, considering I keep reading (even if interesting) replies about cheating. Or maybe it's too late (2 am) and I need to got to bed...

 

Zero tollerance? You must've missed the live streams or youtube videos spamming  everywhere in the net during these last years, with "players" are just playing for show off their hacks

 . . . From what I understood NOBODY (or almost) of them didnt get banned and still continue streaming right now, after the unban wave I bet there'll just get  increasing  

[BringBackTomorrow 43]

desperate to have a playerbase, so we unban cheaters 

[MACKxBOLAN 413]

5 hours ago, Heal said:

desperate to have a playerbase, so we

So we attack the last few legit players, players revolt by not K-ing up.

Watch sweatys and LO sweat, cuz then the sweaty gonna be like, 

Ah game is dead we can't play 'bot shot n Bait n Trigger'

Then the whole thing is gonna back fire on LO and the toxics sweats. 

And they seem to have a system, to where they wait till you might spend or 

start acting reasonable, n come and trigger you with something again that 

insures you won't pay LO anything. 

 And so because of the now corrupt nature of the report button, 

where as any report gets you an attack by a gm, so we dont use report. 

Didn't before cuz it never worked thru the eac era, doesn't do anything now 

but get you grieved by the gm. So now if they run their mouths at me or I think 

its a hacker, I don't say anything, I just blame the gm and LO for letting them do it. 

And that translates to time not spending. When My guns have the same range and power 

that the toxics do, (i am including hackers with toxics), when I get paid a decent wage for 

always having to fight all gold teams, when I am convinced that LO is not part of or associated with, 

toxics calling names and hackers saying no one hacks and its just you. And Gms backing up the toxics. 

Then we can start thinking about Me paying YOU. Aside from the fact that you have nothing to sell.

 Thats gonna mean a major make over to your personnel.

Staff should mandatory be made to watch Customer Service videos.

Staff should be educated in the finer points of customer service, 

like, a joyful experience will only be remembered and repeated to others for a period 

of 2 weeks to 2 months, while a bad experience will be remembered and repeated to others 

for an average of 2 years.

And if you delete my post gm, then you're censoring me. and adding time I wont pay 

[BringBackTomorrow 43]

3 hours ago, MACKxBOLAN said:

And so because of the now corrupt nature of the report button, 

where as any report gets you an attack by a gm, so we dont use report. 

Didn't before cuz it never worked thru the eac era, doesn't do anything now 

but get you grieved by the gm.

Put it at YouTube instead.

 

If a GM griefs you, record it and share it. 

[MACKxBOLAN 413]

2 hours ago, Heal said:

record it and share it.

I aint Recording, Reporting, Testifying, Pointing Fingers, ect. 

I don't give a patootie anymore, I forgive all.

Rock On with your bad selves.

I just want to grind for cash n tickets

[BlatMan 695]

2 hours ago, MACKxBOLAN said:

I aint Recording, Reporting, Testifying, Pointing Fingers, ect. 

I don't give a patootie anymore, I forgive all.

Rock On with your bad selves.

I just want to grind for cash n tickets

I don't blame you. I have reported a few blatant cheaters, with evidence from their own youtube and twitch channels. They eventually got banned. Then Little Orbit decides to unban them. Why waste more time reporting if they're going to get their accounts back?

[MACKxBOLAN 413]

1 hour ago, BlatMan said:

I have reported a few

A couple reasons why, for one I don't work for LO, I am not the games policeman.

It is between the hacker or tos offender and LO, and I am not running stream or video programs 

just in case i see something. Not my job. 

  Two. At this time there is no AC running, and any report for hax or chat is gonna have to be either 

backed up by video/screen shot or witnessed directly by a gm, and the investigation of said report 

falls on the hands of the few staff and or gms to personally investigate one by one. 

This takes allot of time from staff. 

 I think they should install something that does the detective work for us. 

[BringBackTomorrow 43]

11 hours ago, MACKxBOLAN said:

I aint Recording, Reporting, Testifying, Pointing Fingers, ect. 

I don't give a patootie anymore, I forgive all.

Rock On with your bad selves.

I just want to grind for cash n tickets

So you're pointing fingers here but not at YouTube?