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1 hour ago, 111M1kA111 said:

я видел убийство за 1 секунду с помощью NTEC ... ( сможешь удивить меня? )

N-TEC 5's ttk is 0.70, FYI

So this guy is bad. xD

 

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On 7/11/2020 at 5:38 PM, NotZombieBiscuit said:

You run the same speed as an item juggler.

V spam switching is very easy and is done to BM you.

How do they know they are grouped with a cheater.

Can never know if someone really is cheating 100%

You can jump and grab the item yourself.

 

the item juggler is botting,  Read the Dev post on it:   "a bot is the use of a macro or anything that mimics a macro"

so no you can not jump and grab the item and not be cheating, that is the point.  How do you know if you are grouped with a cheater
?  If you see your team mate as you say item juggle the you  know they are cheating. Cheaters are very easy to spot, just look at them and watch what they are doing.  Also and this is the part that everyone overlooks, until they are banned for it, 

 

If you see an item juggler  on your team and do not report them  or quit the mission then you are cheating. Read the rules under exploiting "using a cheaters cheats to give your self advantage is exploiting"

So to answer your question, if you see the item juggler and  the rest of the team accepts it then every one you are looking at on your team is cheating (period).

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6 minutes ago, Omega101 said:

the item juggler is botting,  Read the Dev post on it:   "a bot is the use of a macro or anything that mimics a macro"

so no you can not jump and grab the item and not be cheating, that is the point.  How do you know if you are grouped with a cheater
?  If you see your team mate as you say item juggle the you  know they are cheating. Cheaters are very easy to spot, just look at them and watch what they are doing.  Also and this is the part that everyone overlooks, until they are banned for it, 

 

If you see an item juggler  on your team and do not report them  or quit the mission then you are cheating. Read the rules under exploiting "using a cheaters cheats to give your self advantage is exploiting"

So to answer your question, if you see the item juggler and  the rest of the team accepts it then every one you are looking at on your team is cheating (period).

You know it's very easy to item juggle right? You don't need a macro for it. If anything a macro will screw you up more because it needs dynamic timing depending on your movement. It is only slightly harder than jump kicking a door.

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42 minutes ago, Omega101 said:

the item juggler is botting,  Read the Dev post on it:   "a bot is the use of a macro or anything that mimics a macro"

so no you can not jump and grab the item and not be cheating, that is the point.

but this is easily doable without a macro, so its only "cheating" when someone does it with a macro

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4 hours ago, Omega101 said:

the item juggler is botting,  Read the Dev post on it:   "a bot is the use of a macro or anything that mimics a macro"

so no you can not jump and grab the item and not be cheating, that is the point.  How do you know if you are grouped with a cheater
?  If you see your team mate as you say item juggle the you  know they are cheating. Cheaters are very easy to spot, just look at them and watch what they are doing.  Also and this is the part that everyone overlooks, until they are banned for it, 

 

If you see an item juggler  on your team and do not report them  or quit the mission then you are cheating. Read the rules under exploiting "using a cheaters cheats to give your self advantage is exploiting"

So to answer your question, if you see the item juggler and  the rest of the team accepts it then every one you are looking at on your team is cheating (period).

.....what? since when?

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12 hours ago, Omega101 said:

the item juggler is botting,  Read the Dev post on it:   "a bot is the use of a macro or anything that mimics a macro"

so no you can not jump and grab the item and not be cheating, that is the point. 

Why would you need a macro for this?

It's very easy and every player can do it. On top of that it is completely allowed.

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On 7/12/2020 at 4:24 AM, Nerima said:

(yes, different resolution suit differend weapons better)

and i'm not even kidding.

Yup i can confirm it after a 7221 hours of playing fightclub like a 1024x768 black bars which is a 4:3 ratio will be great for the m1922 and .45 because vertical recoil feels better, while 16:9 ratio is better for SHAW because horizontal recoil feels better but worse for lets say the .45 and OSCAR because you have to manage the vertical recoil more.

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13 hours ago, Omega101 said:

the item juggler is botting,  Read the Dev post on it:   "a bot is the use of a macro or anything that mimics a macro"

so no you can not jump and grab the item and not be cheating, that is the point.  How do you know if you are grouped with a cheater
?  If you see your team mate as you say item juggle the you  know they are cheating. Cheaters are very easy to spot, just look at them and watch what they are doing.  Also and this is the part that everyone overlooks, until they are banned for it, 

 

If you see an item juggler  on your team and do not report them  or quit the mission then you are cheating. Read the rules under exploiting "using a cheaters cheats to give your self advantage is exploiting"

So to answer your question, if you see the item juggler and  the rest of the team accepts it then every one you are looking at on your team is cheating (period).

Correct, a bot is the use of a macro or, and here we go down the rabbit hole, "mimics a macro"

While you could argue "a person mimics a macro by tap firing" that's stupid and misses the point. The post is referring to software that mimics a macro. In no way, shape, or form does this refer to humans doing human actions with human skill.

Thus, Item juggling is not botting, nor any other form of cheating.

 

The rest of the post, is invalidated by the immediate first premise, except for the end.

Yes, it is against the ToS and EULA to have a cheater give you an advantage. Thus, you can't knowingly group with a cheater, (key word here mate is knowingly)

Yes, you should report cheaters if you are teamed with them. Problem is, what if they're not cheating? Unless they're a blatant cheater, you won't know. Report who you know is cheating. If it's a teammate, watch them. Observe them, and make a judgement based on that.

 

Just because someone is cheating on your team, doesn't mean you should quit. Think about your opposition, if they end up all playing against a (or multiple) cheater(s). You could let them know, and advise they too report. You could record the gameplay, and send it in to support in addition to /report. There's plenty of things you could do.

 

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On 7/25/2020 at 6:00 PM, Sergsininia said:

Correct, a bot is the use of a macro or, and here we go down the rabbit hole, "mimics a macro"

While you could argue "a person mimics a macro by tap firing" that's stupid and misses the point. The post is referring to software that mimics a macro. In no way, shape, or form does this refer to humans doing human actions with human skill.

Thus, Item juggling is not botting, nor any other form of cheating.

 

The rest of the post, is invalidated by the immediate first premise, except for the end.

Yes, it is against the ToS and EULA to have a cheater give you an advantage. Thus, you can't knowingly group with a cheater, (key word here mate is knowingly)

Yes, you should report cheaters if you are teamed with them. Problem is, what if they're not cheating? Unless they're a blatant cheater, you won't know. Report who you know is cheating. If it's a teammate, watch them. Observe them, and make a judgement based on that.

 

Just because someone is cheating on your team, doesn't mean you should quit. Think about your opposition, if they end up all playing against a (or multiple) cheater(s). You could let them know, and advise they too report. You could record the gameplay, and send it in to support in addition to /report. There's plenty of things you could do.

 

They cant detect a hardware based software macro.

 

Merged.

 

On 7/12/2020 at 7:36 AM, Nerima said:

actually, 1280x720 is lowest res on new engine, so no more ntek gods

We will always find a way to run the game on lower resolutions, it is not hard at all.

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15 minutes ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

We will always find a way to run the game on lower resolutions, it is not hard at all.

Ok but, so what?

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58 minutes ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

We will always find a way to run the game on lower resolutions, it is not hard at all.

More like, "I will always find a way to shoot myself in the foot. It's not hard at all."

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1 hour ago, SquirrelFace said:

More like, "I will always find a way to shoot myself in the foot. It's not hard at all."

More like: This is one of those advantages that will make a big difference.

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17 minutes ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

More like: This is one of those advantages that will make a big difference.

Jokes on them because it isn't and it won't.
 

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3 hours ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

More like: This is one of those advantages that will make a big difference.

The camera rotates the same regardless of aspect ratio or resolutions. It can change the fov slightly, which can make the camera feel different, but rotation is the same so there's no advantage given. You can get the same effect playing on high resolutions with 4:3 aspect ratio like 1920x1440.

 

Lowing the resolution below 720p means you lose key visual details, and all the HUD stuff blocks your screen. That's why I referred to it as shooting yourself in the foot, because you can't see as good. If it works for you, play like that, but it's anything but an advantage.

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6 hours ago, Sergsininia said:

 if they end up all playing against a (or multiple) cheater(s). You could let them know, and advise they too report

 

afaik any type of hackusation or trying to get other players to report based on your hackusation is considered harassment and isn't allowed

 

6 hours ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

They cant detect a hardware based software macro.

care to explain?

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On 7/26/2020 at 12:52 AM, CookiePuss said:

care to explain?

Lets give you an explanation, they cant simply detect a macro scripted through lets say Logitech G HUB or the Bloody mouse software, the only way to detect a macro user is to have a SGM to spectate the macro user and wait for him to empty his magazine, when his magazine will be empty the macro will obviously keep inputing M1 and you will distinctly hear the hammer of the gun go TRRRRRRRRRRR, thats how the insiders on the old G1 team did it eg. manual FairFight bans alot of them were legits just used macro..

 

Merged.

 

On 7/26/2020 at 12:36 AM, SquirrelFace said:

The camera rotates the same regardless of aspect ratio or resolutions. It can change the fov slightly, which can make the camera feel different, but rotation is the same so there's no advantage given. You can get the same effect playing on high resolutions with 4:3 aspect ratio like 1920x1440.

 

Lowing the resolution below 720p means you lose key visual details, and all the HUD stuff blocks your screen. That's why I referred to it as shooting yourself in the foot, because you can't see as good. If it works for you, play like that, but it's anything but an advantage.

Black bars eliminate the enlarged UI.

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4 hours ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

Lets give you an explanation, they cant simply detect a macro scripted through lets say Logitech G HUB or the Bloody mouse software, the only way to detect a macro user is to have a SGM to spectate the macro user and wait for him to empty his magazine, when his magazine will be empty the macro will obviously keep inputing M1 and you will distinctly hear the hammer of the gun go TRRRRRRRRRRR, thats how the insiders on the old G1 team did it eg. manual FairFight bans alot of them were legits just used macro..

But Battleye detects and blocks macro software. 

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5 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

But Battleye detects and blocks macro software. 

Be surprised its very easy to bypass and it does not block macro software unfortunately, it might block AutoHotKey but thats about it.

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Just now, ReaperTheButcher said:

Be surprised its very easy to bypass and it does not block macro software, unfortunately.

Could you tell me how?

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4 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

Could you tell me how?

Play a few rounds in fightclub and tell me how it went.

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1 hour ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

Play a few rounds in fightclub and tell me how it went.

I'm more of a mission guy.

But I am curious about bypassing BE, could you tell me how?

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6 hours ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

Lets give you an explanation, they cant simply detect a macro scripted through lets say Logitech G HUB or the Bloody mouse software, the only way to detect a macro user is to have a SGM to spectate the macro user and wait for him to empty his magazine, when his magazine will be empty the macro will obviously keep inputing M1 and you will distinctly hear the hammer of the gun go TRRRRRRRRRRR, thats how the insiders on the old G1 team did it eg. manual FairFight bans alot of them were legits just used macro..

im not sure about battleye but eac can (and does, in certain games) specifically detect bloody mouse software, and it could probably detect other brand software as well

 

just another reason eac was better even if it was more expensive

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5 hours ago, 404 said:

im not sure about battleye but eac can (and does, in certain games) specifically detect bloody mouse software, and it could probably detect other brand software as well

 

just another reason eac was better even if it was more expensive

Battleye blocks thos mice in PUBG. It is stupid. ALL mouse manufactures have gaming mice with hardware/firmware macro support. Blocking a single brand doesn't do anyone any good. Cheaters will find a workaround, while legit players won't be able to play. There's some off brands that use the same hardware that do not have macro support, but they're blocked because the driver and firmware match the bloody mice.

 

Better off checking the client for consistent clicks. You'll catch the majority of macro users and not impact the legit users.

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8 hours ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

Be surprised its very easy to bypass and it does not block macro software unfortunately, it might block AutoHotKey but thats about it.

 

7 hours ago, ReaperTheButcher said:

Play a few rounds in fightclub and tell me how it went.

mine went fine so this doesn't really answer me on how

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There are two (½) large camps worth addressing who are both wrong, right now. They are...

Camp A) "It's overrun with cheaters, absolutely everywhere!"

Camp B) "There are almost no cheaters at all!"

Both absolutely wrong.

 

Then there are people who say that because they only banned x % for cheating the last time or whenever, that's supposed to be an indicator of how few cheaters there are. Does one even need to explain why no conclusions should be drawn from that?
For example: I remember a certain (public ) cheat provider with lots of users who never got detected between 2013 and mid 2019 (FF, duh). Since they weren't getting detected, lots of people used them. If you'd find out how many they were and add those to the statistics back in those days, the number of cheaters in that period of time would increase by a really large percentage. Much of the stuff people use now will not get detected (by BE).

 

It's not completely overrun with cheaters.

There are not hardly any cheaters either.

There's a notable amount of cheaters now because there's no server side statistics collection with BE, and then I'm not talking about just the obvious ones who anyone and their grandma can spot. That's the issue  you could encounter with Camp B. They some times believe in myths of borderline super powers and super human "game sense" gotten from spending enough time in the game, like there is no roof for increase of abilities and they go by who someone is instead of what they are doing.
So then you get told to feel free to send in videos with proof of cheaters. You'll have to summon the time, energy and motivation to put something together for one lousy cheater,  who they wont ban so it's not worth it.

 

The only anti cheat good enough is one that is both server and client side.

 

 



 

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