foscor77 169 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) I dont think i quite understands how the current matchmaking and threat system actually works in apb so i would very glad if somebody preferably someone from the mod or staff team could shed some detailed info about it. Thank you. -TheCuriousCat. Edited September 21, 2019 by foscor77 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsb 6170 Posted September 21, 2019 simplified version: threat system takes the average of all players’ scores for a mission - if you score higher than average you threat up, if you score lower than average you threat down complicated version: i’m sure @CookiePuss will post the actual math equation used how much you threat up or down is affected by a bunch of different variables afaik (you and your opp’s current threats, how well you did against the systems projections, etc) but that’s the basic function matchmaking simply tries to find the most equal match possible, threat-wise - of course a truly equal match is basically impossible to find with only 40v40 people to choose from, so after a certain amount of time it will default to whoever is available (e.g. if the matchmaking is trying to find opp for 2 gold8s it will search for 10 minutes and then try to find 2 gold7s, or 1 gold3 and 1 gold10, all the way down until it has no choice but to put 2 gold8s against 3 silver9s and 1 bronze3) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Revoluzzer 274 Posted September 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Solamente said: simplified version: threat system takes the average of all players’ scores for a mission - if you score higher than average you threat up, if you score lower than average you threat down This is a fatal misconception. If you score a little above average, but against players of significantly lower threat, the system might also lower your threat. That is if your confidence-value is low enough. Because if it is not, the system might instead lower your confidence-value first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foscor77 169 Posted September 22, 2019 nobody fucking knows? So people keep bashing the matchmaking and threat system without actually knowing how it even works? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotZombieBiscuit 3146 Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Revoluzzer said: This is a fatal misconception. If you score a little above average, but against players of significantly lower threat, the system might also lower your threat. That is if your confidence-value is low enough. Because if it is not, the system might instead lower your confidence-value first. 19 hours ago, Solamente said: simplified version: threat system takes the average of all players’ scores for a mission - if you score higher than average you threat up, if you score lower than average you threat down It is not average. It just takes straight up 50% upper 50% lower. TLDR: it is the same as every other game pretty much. You have a matchmaking rating number. The game tries to match combined team totals against each other as close as possible. If you are in the upper 50% score at the end of a match you gain rating based on a bunch of behind the scenes variables. Of course it is a bit more complicated than that but that is really the simple version of it. Edited September 22, 2019 by NotZombieBiscuit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsb 6170 Posted September 22, 2019 16 hours ago, Revoluzzer said: This is a fatal misconception. If you score a little above average, but against players of significantly lower threat, the system might also lower your threat. That is if your confidence-value is low enough. Because if it is not, the system might instead lower your confidence-value first. i mentioned the threat system taking into account each person current threat and predictions 1 hour ago, NotZombieBiscuit said: It is not average. It just takes straight up 50% upper 50% lower. wouldn’t that be the average then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotZombieBiscuit 3146 Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Solamente said: i mentioned the threat system taking into account each person current threat and predictions wouldn’t that be the average then? No. That is not how maths works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sayori 311 Posted September 22, 2019 Nobody really knows but some people pass around some stupid equation they have found and claim it's how it works without ever been verified by G1. It makes no sense to have subthreat levels these days too(gold 1 - gold 10) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crusade 89 Posted September 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Solamente said: wouldn’t that be the average then? 2 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said: No. That is not how maths works. 4 players, scores of 1550, 1500, 1400, 100. Player 1400 threats down because they are in the lower half, even though they are above the average of the 4 scores. Correct? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsb 6170 Posted September 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, crusade said: 4 players, scores of 1550, 1500, 1400, 100. Player 1400 threats down because they are in the lower half, even though they are above the average of the 4 scores. Correct? yeah thats what i thought, i guess my small brain figured average = middle oops Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5373 Posted September 22, 2019 8 hours ago, darok70 said: nobody fucking knows? So people keep bashing the matchmaking and threat system without actually knowing how it even works? APB uses its own version of this formula for calculating threat: There... feel better now? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foscor77 169 Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, CookiePuss said: APB uses its own version of this formula for calculating threat: There... feel better now? Cool! Mind directing me to the source of this page? Edited September 23, 2019 by foscor77 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheJellyGoo 343 Posted September 23, 2019 3 hours ago, darok70 said: Cool! Mind directing me to the source of this page? Glicko rating system 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foscor77 169 Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, TheJellyGoo said: Glicko rating system Sweet! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotZombieBiscuit 3146 Posted September 23, 2019 Should put a giant * on that formula though. That is only the public facing formula and RTW already edited it forever ago. G1 upgraded to Glicko 2 rating system and did even further editing. So it is very likely a bit different than what is shown in actaul implementation. Though if I had to guess it is probably just graphical bracket splitting for front end and some changes to backend deviation with the 50/50 changes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5373 Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said: Should put a giant * on that formula though. That is only the public facing formula and RTW already edited it forever ago. G1 upgraded to Glicko 2 rating system and did even further editing. So it is very likely a bit different than what is shown in actaul implementation. Though if I had to guess it is probably just graphical bracket splitting for front end and some changes to backend deviation with the 50/50 changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fragmeister 37 Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/22/2019 at 10:34 AM, CookiePuss said: APB uses its own version of this formula for calculating threat: There... feel better now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darkzero3802 606 Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 6:25 AM, darok70 said: I dont think i quite understands how the current matchmaking and threat system actually works in apb so i would very glad if somebody preferably someone from the mod or staff team could shed some detailed info about it. Thank you. -TheCuriousCat. It dont work, thats the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotZombieBiscuit 3146 Posted September 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Darkzero3802 said: It dont work, thats the point. The current matchmaking system that APB has is used by numerous games that you would consider successful. Even the most perfect system on the planet won't work with low pop that APB has. The system is fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5373 Posted September 24, 2019 16 hours ago, Darkzero3802 said: It dont work, thats the point. Its not the algorithm that is faulty, its the sample size. 3 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said: The current matchmaking system that APB has is used by numerous games that you would consider successful. Even the most perfect system on the planet won't work with low pop that APB has. The system is fine. ^this^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darkzero3802 606 Posted September 24, 2019 11 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said: The current matchmaking system that APB has is used by numerous games that you would consider successful. Even the most perfect system on the planet won't work with low pop that APB has. The system is fine. 7 hours ago, CookiePuss said: Its not the algorithm that is faulty, its the sample size. ^this^ So the fact that matchmaking didn't work right even when there was a decent pop means nothing to you 2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotZombieBiscuit 3146 Posted September 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, Darkzero3802 said: So the fact that matchmaking didn't work right even when there was a decent pop means nothing to you 2? APB has never had decent pop for matchmaking. It does not matter how many people are online it has always been restricted to matching you against only 40-50 other people. And of those 40ish people most of them are likely in a mission already so the choice of op has always been close to nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5373 Posted September 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, Darkzero3802 said: So the fact that matchmaking didn't work right even when there was a decent pop means nothing to you 2? As long as matchmaking is relegated to a single district it wouldn't matter if you had a million overall players, APB would still be trying to match you against only a pool of 40 (50 back in the day). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darkzero3802 606 Posted September 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, NotZombieBiscuit said: APB has never had decent pop for matchmaking. It does not matter how many people are online it has always been restricted to matching you against only 40-50 other people. And of those 40ish people most of them are likely in a mission already so the choice of op has always been close to nothing. 15 minutes ago, CookiePuss said: As long as matchmaking is relegated to a single district it wouldn't matter if you had a million overall players, APB would still be trying to match you against only a pool of 40 (50 back in the day). As far as APB goes your never going to see more then 50 so when a server is full matchmaking should work in the realm of APB, but it doesnt. This game will nevr have an open world like other games so comparing it to that is pointless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites