Dreadarm

I think this is probably the best outlook on this topic so far.

Ok this I can get on board with, yes you are right, 99.999999999% of people can't achieve that if anyone at all. BUT 0.017 ms difference between a macro/scroll wheel isn't going to be a noticable difference between what the server translates and what you see. It is such a small difference it really does not even matter.

Thats not true either, some people practice, and some of the people that get called macro'ers are actually tap firing with muscle memory. You have to understand that what you see on your client is not what the OP is actually doing. It is the servers interpretation and translation to your client that you are seeing. I don't even know why I posted this... different argument, sorry for that.

If the game mechanics were written to randomly achieve intervals between fire rate sure, I would agree with you, but you are still not "bypassing" fire rates. And the guns have a fixed fire rate set at a flat interval so there is no cheating going on. Just exploitation of the mechanic really.

It most certainly does.

You can't bypass the fire rate dude.

Aimbots alter the game mechanics, and is not what was being discussed. There is a drastic difference between macro and aimbot.

You are right, and there is actually a client side bug that makes using spam macro's a problem. The bug is a screen freeze, and using a spam macro will ruin your ability to function in the game because every-time you left click/fire, it creates a small noticeable freeze in the client. This compounds dramatically when using spam macro's. In addition to this. Spam macros activate bloom. which makes any gun completely useless when spamming it too fast unless you have some kind of artificial aiming. This is basically the reasoning that back in 2014 revomag said blatantly that Macro's do not by themselves give an advantage nor are they an exploit because they do not alter the game mechanics.

Love it, and in this spirit, EVERYTHING on your pc is third party, the hardware, the OS, the internet connection. Where does the list end! quite literally anything not created by G1/LO or YOU is 3rd party. so really everyone is cheating by the definition "no third party".

It is not an advantage if everyone can do it with in-game mechanics and or standard peripheral devices.

Work smarter not harder.

This last bullet point... should be a signature. love it!

My apologies, a lot of those sensitive words were mine, and I made that post before the sensor went up, so they might not be easily removable. It was a generalization. I am sorry you cant understand that. You also altered the context of my statement right here to manipulate it to your own vantage. It was in a separate paragraph. Separate context. Quit trying to edit peoples words in your reply's to change their meaning... In English The generic you is primarily a colloquial substitute for one.[1][2] For instance, "Brushing one's teeth is healthy." can be expressed less formally as "Brushing your teeth is healthy." Also just so we are clear on what Cyber bullying actually is... 'cyberbullying is "an aggressive, intentional act or behavior that is carried out by a group or an individual, using electronic forms of contact, repeatedly and over time against a victim who cannot easily defend him or herself."' I see no victim here, and I see no repetitive intentional act being carried out.

You are right, I did not call him a special little snowflake. Re-read it. The implication is to ANYONE who thinks they are entitled. But you know... there are plenty of snowflakes in here... and besides that, you are off topic. Furthermore you slandering someone just because you cant comprehend a statement and the context of said statement. this is a form of cyber bullying and is against the TOS...

This is not cyber bullying. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. And no one name called anyone in that post.

See this is exactly where you are wrong, you are not changing anything, you are just making it simpler, and more efficient. Every single time you make an argument, you do not use any sort of information or resources to back it up, you BARELY bark your opinion and talk down to the other party, then use fallacies to try to sway peoples thoughts. You have no actually value in your statements. Your opinion is just that, an opinion, and a quite incorrect one at that. Good day.

So, basically in everything you post you are sarcastic and and not pleasant fellow. But... There is a big difference in macro's vs scripts and then even further to full on hacks. I will let you figure it out because you are not worth the explanation.

I finally figured out where the screen freeze/stutter issue is coming. I hope this is something you can fix. Every-time you pull the trigger on a gun, the screen freezes for approx 10ms. Now this is not super important if you use a fully auto weapon. However, using a single shot weapon you can test this out by clicking multiple times, every single shot/click creates a micro freeze and lag in the client. This can be greatly exaggerated to show the effect with a simple macro set to fire at 0.025 ms on a loop. Hold down this repeat macro and watch the screen freeze insanely bad. Now remove the macro and go back to single click and you will still see the freeze/lockup on the screen. This has a tenancy to be even worse in combat, and can cause full on 1 second screen freezes. This is 100% reproducible. I have tested on 6 pc's all with different configurations and hardware.

ok so, shaders... Altering Shaders should be a no no, because transparent shaders are a thing and it can be used to "wall hack"

Best gif I've seen all week, love it!

So, last night I was also getting 12-15 packet loss on NA, swapped to EU and no packet loss was experienced. Obviously there is a problem here. Also my ping NA is 8-10 ms and EU is 80-90 so I would love to play NA again. Sadly just can't do it with so much packet loss.

You know, just because some people take time to learn about stuff doesn't mean they do bad shit all the time. You are very cynical and really create toxicity by making comments like this.

Thanks, I didn't know this feature existed, but likely it exists for good reason. I'll use it. Thanks again bro.

First of all cross hairs turning red and trigger bots are a really fucking easy fix. Devs, turn off the damn red cross hair, problem solved. its NOT needed in any way shape or form. ANYONE who relies on this would have a "too slow" response to ever be good at the game anyway. Guns do not jam, and that "feature" was removed like 6 years ago... so your argument is invalid. No recoil scripts, which I assume you are talking about, could easily be fought simply with bullet randomization/bloom and they do that already. No recoil scripts are not that great. The lazerbeams are the ones who use no spread hacks.

Are you serious? I already brought ALL of these points up in previous responses to this VERY THREAD. You are seriously in need of reading glasses dude. And I never stated anything in the frame of a victim. I never even used myself as an example nor did I ever state that I needed or use macro's. Learn to fucking read for gods sake...