Dreadarm

I'm sorry, Redundancy is not the proper phrase here. maybe mute, or null would better suit that? but in any case, I am not arguing technicalities. I am making a clear differentiation between macro, script, and hack. My entire basis has always been exactly the same since the first post.

My point has been clear from the beginning you just refuse to see it because you don't want to be wrong. Nope, clearly you have not read any of the previous posts. Are you attempting to hackusate me? interesting...

And also, Thanks for actually backing your statements with facts and legit information instead of arguing empty points like some others. I can concede when I am wrong.

Yeah I credited you for this when I realized what you meant.

Alright, cool Thanks for the info. So on one aspect G1 changed their minds and said no macro. thats fine. But, it doesn't change my opinion.

See you are latching on to this idea that some how a macro is changing a game mechanic, and an "internal" one at that. But its not. Not even in the slightest.

Please link the code of conduct you are referring to, because I don't see a section B number 16 here

I never stated using external tools. I said built in features of mice, keyboards, and windows. They are not external if they are required to play the game. It is the others who are arguing that 3rd party apps are macro's My point is that Macro's exists and are fine, but scripting is a different animal. but you are not changing any game mechanic, you are just taking advantage of a mechanic.

Mouse wheel is definately not a one click, it is a rotating click wheel and only takes one finger movement to net hundreds of click. And awe shite, guess I need to install linux to play apb now.

I do, its called scroll wheel. Not to mention, Macro's are a windows feature. Are you going to tell me that Windows is not allowed? Oh and sticky keys is a thing too. But you know. Macro's rah rah rah. Look, here is the deal. There is a legitimate argument to be made here. Scripts are bad, hacks are Bad. But my entire point is that Macro's are neither of these things. And those of you who perpetuate this nonsense are wrong. Macro's in and of themselves do not net any real advantage nor do they change any game mechanics.

What exactly gives you the assumption that I get my information from Cheat forums. I have used AutoIt for years. and for many reasons. I also have some programming knowledge and a decent education and about 17 years of industry experience. But you know, I get all my info from cheat sites.

You know what is great about this? Right here in your own Wikipedia post you defeat your own statement because you change the definition and then cite a definition that doesn't even say what you just said it sais. Best of all it explains exactly what a macro is and you are still arguing that AHK is a macro. Clearly you did not actually take the time to read the definition YOU linked to back up your own point. It is not changing any game mechanic, as a previous posted said, at most its exploiting a flaw. just as is scroll wheeling.

I mean the definitions of these terms are publicly available, you can go read them for yourself or take an entry level programming class and learn more about how things actually work in the world instead of just hyped up opinions on top of opinions that you got from your 3rd cousins twice removed fiances best friends girls brother who is 12. I also think its funny as hell how you think that EVERYONE agrees with you.

No its not a "program that runs a macro script" it is a Script engine that some people write scripts in and call "macro's" and they are WRONG. those are NOT macro's. They are scripts. This is where the problem is. People don't know their rear ends from a hole in the ground and run around making statements about things when they have no clue...

This is not true either, Revomag in 2014 clearly stated that it was NOT a problem. I believe it was even posted in a sticky at one time.

AHK is NOT a macro software, it is a scripting engine built on AutoIT. so yeah I am saying you are still wrong. As I have stated many times, there are differences between macro's, scripts, and hacks.

Some vertical recoil can be comped by a mouse move macro, but bloom, random trajectory, and random horizontal recoil cant, and that's why they exist. In addition to this, recoil comp is more of a scripted program than a macro/hotkey setup.

And you're wrong AGAIN. you can't change any game mechanic with a macro good day... go read a few books and learn something.

New is a relative term to how the population has been over the last few years. I suppose I should have said players are starting to come back in droves since people like you cant actually talk about a subject without attempting to discredit someone or try to make them look dumb to set up your own point. And I never said EVERYONE is cheating, I just said there are a ton of them and they stopped briefly for a few days, then started back up again. Also un-banning all the cheating accounts. AKA trash accounts just gave them MORE accounts to jump back into to throw out. But I understand the reasoning behind the mass un-ban. And for the record, I was one of the first if not THE first person to make the argument that it takes at least a week for them to use cheater data to tune both FF and BE but apparently you decided to champion my own topic for me. My entire point here was simple to appeal to LO and ask them not to wait too long. I never specified any kind of time frame, I simply implied to make it as quick as possible before too many people leave again. Finally, yes there are a "few" players that are better than me. I have always been in top 10-15% of this game and will remain in that spot until I can no longer play or until the game goes offline. I also have experience with cheats, game mechanics, scripting, programming, and several other areas that allow me to have a particularly good idea of when someone is actually good or cheating. As a matter of fact, even G1 stated at one time that if they banned everyone that was cheating they would lose 80% of their player base over night, that is why they did the second chance, and the come clean deals a few years back. So its not just an opinion, its backed by actual events that have occurred over the years. Oh yes, and last but not least, to add insult to injury, there is also a thing known as a reputation, so it is entirely possible for someone to come to this game completely fresh, never having played it before and know about the reputation it has of being completely over run with cheaters. So yeah...

Having the new anti cheat is great, but I think if you wait too much longer, you will lose the momentum in reviving this game. New players have come in droves, and are starting to leave because "nothing is new" in terms of cheaters. Also by announcing that no bans have taken place, you have basically told the hacking community that was partially afraid to use hacks for the first few days, that its ok to go on using them because you have not taken action against them yet. Of course this could have been your intention all along to expedite the data you need to tune FF and BE but... A lot of us that have come back under the new promise of a revived game are starting to doubt the changes and people are already leaving again.

I did not specify any specific gun, as a matter of fact I told you to choose any single shot gun. But as you read all my posts and make assumptions, I can only assume you read that as "shotgun".

I want you to test something. go get a single shot gun, stand 15m from a friend in apb and macro the hell out of that gun, don't move don't ads, then tell me you hit every bullet. then try ads, then try varying distances. I am telling you, you will miss. While you are at it have both of you record the event and then compare the recordings.

but see, there in lies your flaw, "if you don't miss a shot". You WILL miss a shot unless you get extremely lucky OR you use artificial aiming. And in the general course of game-play, it wouldn't even have a noticeable effect. Also, another thing to take into consideration, your ping also dictates how fast you can fire a weapon to some extent. Lets take into account Archeage, the US version replaced all single fire skills with skills that had pre recorded fire rates and intervals because of this vary reason. people with lower pings could achieve higher fire rates that people with higher pings because of the server side shot verification.

And to be fare, they did hire back one of the OG devs, so maybe we can ask them ^.^