DedGaem

Agree. Segregation was, way back in the day.. the beginning of a host of problems. The escalation is actually a shining improvement... but the weighting of the matches needs work. Back in the day... your threat wasn't as easily lost, which removed some of the tryhardism.. and when very low players met with a rank 10 gold... they would get like 4 guys to help versus the rank 10 gold. Alas, matchmaking is now unrecognizable since it's original system, which was actually great. In any event, fight club for the longest was the domain of the hardcore cheaters/tryharders... and now.. all that's left of the districts is the same.. the slower paced.. play with lower/newer toons... letting them get objectives, giving them clothes/cars, inviting them to clans... is long gone. The game expresses just sheer HATRED of newer/lesser skilled players... literally exterminating them. And then there's absentee Mat Scott.. doing jack turd nothing... listening to the tryharders whisper in his ear... about how to make the game they way THEY want... and not the way it was when it attracted tens of thousands of REGULAR players.

Being rickrolled, repeatedly, outplayed, tk'd, shot at by own team, trashed talked by own team for NOT being a tryhard gold or cheater... and farmed by literal cheaters, macroers, exploiters, and toxic tryharders... who want nothing more than 25-30 kills per match... is how we lost THOUSANDS of players. If people CAN'T compete... they go away. For the game to THRIVE and SURVIVE... there has to be some grace extended to the newer/weaker playerbase... and I don't mean reroll cheats. No one is taking them under wing or teaching them... the game is so hardcore toxic... they literally tell you to go away, to uninstall... to fuck off. They only want their core 200 gold players... and this is all that's left of the game.

Woot, patcher updating and working now... Can't wait to play dedgaem

launcher logs say... buncha stuff but basically: 5484 WARNING: Exception while downloading http://apb.patch.gamersfirst.com/Patches.xml after 0 attempts 9:31:33 PM 5484 WARNING: GetLastWin32Error:0 ... 9:31:33 PM 5484 WARNING: System.Threading.ThreadAbortException: Thread was being aborted. at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetResponse() ... 9:31:33 PM 5484 WARNING: GetLastWin32Error:2 9:31:33 PM 5484 WARNING: http://apb.patch.gamersfirst.com/Patches.xml System.Threading.ThreadAbortException: Thread was being aborted. at Hosting.cDownloader.DownloadFile(String sTargetURL, String sDirname, String sFilename, Int64 nExpectSize, Int64& nDownloadSize, cDownloadFileControl DFControl) 9:31:33 PM 5484 Deleting D:\STEAMLIBRARY\STEAMAPPS\COMMON\APB RELOADED\___.tmp 9:31:33 PM 5484 Setting file attributes for D:\STEAMLIBRARY\STEAMAPPS\COMMON\APB RELOADED\___.tmp to normal 9:31:33 PM 4892 [STATS] APBLauncher 0.0.0.0 0, 0, 0, 0 9:31:33 PM 4892 [STATS] ==LAUNCHER PATCH== 9:31:33 PM 4892 [STATS] etOverall 9:31:33 PM 4892 [STATS] PATCH_SUCCESS FALSE 9:31:33 PM 4892 [STATS] FILE_REQUIRED_PATCH 0 9:31:33 PM 4892 [STATS] FILE_PATCHED 0 --- I donno if that helps or not. Some people are saying they can get into the game bypassing the launcher. I uninstalled and reinstalled, that might have affected things but going to the binaries folder to launch from APB.exe a launcher quickly pops up then disappears so I cannot log in or even try to repair files. I might be a noob but, when you click on http://apb.patch.gamersfirst.com/Patches.xml There's a 502 Bad Gateway notice saying bunny.net Edge Network server hosting the website apb.patch.gamersfirst.com

It's not fixed yet. I still get the same grayed out Updating on launcher. When I try to log in using the APB.exe a splash screen shows and then disappears. But I'd glad you guys are aware of it and hopefully can fix it.

Same, but it took me 30 minutes before I could even log into the forums without getting an oops error message. I also uninstalled and reinstalled.. Tried logging in from the APB.exe outside of Steam.. nothing works. Everything worked fine earlier this am before I logged out... but since this afternoon... that same stuck updating message as ur pic.

Look, Matt.. the condition of the game is abandoned. SARD, isn't even active or doing anything. If you added a two-tier sub, with a free option... 1. Free (no support). 2. $2.50/month (support + 250 Joker tickets with 2.5% chance of legendary) 3. $5/month (support + 500 Joker tickets/w 5% chance of legendary)... Then POSSIBLY, you could afford to bring back FairFight. I get that no one "really" knows for certain (unless blatant) if someone is cheating... and you haven't wanted to be UNFAIR. NO PROBLEM! The game population is really small, and besides bans are pretty punitive, uncertain, and permanently destroy an account someone cares about or has invested in. SIMPLE FIX! Don't BAN. Just make it where someone who's performing well above normal (could be legit and highly skilled... but it's enough ABOVE the general population to be disruptive.)... Have them TEMPORARILY KICKED from the game. That's not evidence of a hack (though it could be).. and it's a CLUE to that player... he needs to tone down his playstyle or cheats.. to stay in the game. LISTEN, you can't eliminate cheating at this stage of the game, and it opens a can of worms for the superbly skilled playerbase. BUT... if one guy, whether an APB genius pro... or a cheater... is rick rolling EVERYBODY, nearly EVERY MISSION... that playstyle is disrupting the small matchmaking population and causing a lot of players to stop playing or quit trying and never log back in again. ONE PRO... or cheater shouldn't be given that right... to ruin the game experience for everybody. Fairfight was good at detecting out of norm actions. And the serverwide KICK announcement was actually GREAT FUN! Just list an official caveat to the players the kick is NOT for cheating... but for being far enough ABOVE NORMAL... that the PLAYERBASE needs a time out. Some pro's might understand and wear that as a badge of honor... PLUS, they lose nothing but a little time.... In a 24 hour span (to be reset daily) 1. first kick - 15 minute lockout 2. second kick - 30 min lockout 3. third kick - 2 hour lockout 4. Every kick thereafter in the 24 hour span - 2 hour lockout It really doesn't have to be punitive or permanent... to moderate a game and make it "somewhat" fair... and would be a darned sight BETTER than ZERO MODERATION AT ALL.

Were on Russia's Innova server. Way more affordable cheaper guns and car kits... in-game GM's who actually spectated the game and kicked caught cheaters on the fly... proprietary Frost anticheat that only a few hackers could bypass... and literally 25 full open districts to choose from... it was the very best iteration of the game... sadly neither GM nor LO could implement what needed to be done to actually make for a PLAYABLE game experience that attracted new and old players alike. Now that EU is officially acknowledged to be dead... and now that LO is virtually bankrupt... I doubt they would have the capability or inclination to implement the POLICIING and MODERATION it takes (other than hysterical WOKE bans) to make the game VIABLE and revive it. Y'all just don't get the game you purchased... neither does it seem you ever gave a crap about it.

I miss when Tiggs was flaming banned cheaters who were crying on forums and begging to be unbanned... it was the golden age of APB drama... that and FFbans,,, what a forum!~ Alas, all the snowflakes melted and LO killed the game.

Sad... it shows that LO has no proper judgment, no adequate cash to successfully develop or run a game (obviously) and probably no developer studio... and is just a BIG FAT LIE of a company that promised the moon and delivered a turd. Since LO bought the game they did nothing but let it rot and die. Seriously, for all the hate, under Tiggs and G1 at least there WAS a gameplaying population... and a functional anticheat. BLEH BLEH BLEH no anticheat killed APB. Thanks LO you deserve to go bankrupt. The decisions you made were atrocious.

Threat Segregation was the beginning of ruin for APB under G1... That said... it was when there were 20 other districts to swap too if I wanted to avoid sketchy players. Of course when thousands of players are removed from the game and only 2 threat districts existed... the hardass cheat crew tended to play more hardcore on silver districts and bronze remained... albeit trolled by dethreated golds, a more chill district. I mean... no threat districts when there's only 40-80 people playing just means destruction of what's left of new or casual players. Once upon a time, when there was an actual playerbase... threat segregation put a target on the backs of new/casual players by segregating them into a colored district... and that WAS a terribad idea that the incompetent G1 devs were unable to revert. But now... removing threat is a terribad idea because there's nowhere for new/casual players to play. Everything LO has done, was listen to the hardest core, most edgey, unbanned cheaters, and WTFPWN golds... and implement ruinous decisions that cost thousands of players when so many thousands were already lost when they bought the game. What LO never did was learn WTF they were doing... or why the population asked for changes... Imagine waiting 2 years to implement Threat district removal... and thinking it will somehow be what people want/need, so long after the game is fundamentally wrecked and population has fled... and the POINT of opening the districts to stop Golds from WTFPWNing new/casuals was gone since hardly any of them are even left playing... and logging into a district means nearly everyone is a hardass Gold and doesn't want anything to do with you... and you have nowhere to even find similarly lower skilled players to play with. It's just so poorly implemented and reflects such a shitty lack of knowledge of the condition of the game... that it's extermination mode... as if LO wants the game to die even faster.

Engine upgrade was much desired, but it was never the be-all-end-all of the game. What the game needed most of all, was what made Innova such a high population success in comparison... actual GM in-game spectators and support who could by mere presence alone cut down on toxic, abusive or harassment or cheating behavior... because they had the tools and know-how to kick to the curb those people. Since G1, and now LO this game has always had GM figureheads, in name only, utterly clueless, talking rated "G" shop with players in district with toxic, abusive chat blazing around them, players ghosting out of mission to block objectives helping their friends... in FRONT of GMs. APB never had a professional quality staff... with the one exception of Tiggs... and the reason she is so universally reviled by this community is precisely because she DID kick to the curb the cheaters and abusive toxics... After LO came in, listening to the abusive toxics and their fan clubs... the undid every advance Tiggs brought to the game (with the exception of FF becoming a manual ban and therefore anyone could get banned)... but the advances Tiggs brought to the game was an attempt to make a more even playing field, if only G1 had helped by rerolling their stupid ruinous Threat Segregation patch... But now... after so much unnecessary attrition for so long... because bronzes were placed as a special target in districts that bullies could dethreat into, unrestricted, permanently, to WTFPawn and exterminate the new and casual playerbase... NOW you cry that it's a dead game... and you killed it... and you cheered all the bad decisions that allowed it to be killed... and nothing.... not even an engine upgrade can bring it back... because a GAME in order to have any sort of competitiveness or appeal has to have a level and fair playing field. Original RTW did this within the code, to give actual bronze players more numbers in compensation versus a stellar high gold. Consequently, threats didn't have to be segregated. The ONLY thing that would save this game now... is something which LO probably can't do because the source code no longer exists... but... Restart original RTW APB, like G1 did... and invest in the 2 things most needed to keep the game fair... the great success that Innova had... 1. In-game GMS who can spectate for cheaters, and 2. a good working anticheat. The shame of it all is that LO got on board attracting BACK the cheaters... once they actually put in place a working anticheat, years after the illicit players exterminated the legits... when the cheaters and macroers get kicked... there's no one left to play.

Removed quote. - Azukii RTW went bankrupt. G1 had it and ran it fairly well for a few years and as it aged it really declined. LO bought it in nosedive... and that nosedive continues unabated... why? Well consider this simple fact... they restore threat segregation, but implement nothing at all to prevent the high silver/gold playerbase from WTFpwning the newbs and the lower skilled players. End result? More population loss. It's still going, but hardly a shadow of it's former self... and there is no way back. For one thing, the toxic trolls like you guys dominate what's left of the playerbase and forums... newsflash... your vision for this game is shit. Your attitudes are shit. The way you treat lower-than-gold players is shit. Tiggs hands down had a better vision than either of you. LO is hard fkin fail, because they listened to people like you.

Does it matter? I mean no matter how you slice it, cry about it, cheerlead LO or trash G1 or Tiggs... APB RELOADED is still a dead fkin game. Watch the vid... RTW APB becomes RELOADED under G1 by 12:20 of the video to which this thumbnail is taken.

I miss Tiggs too. She had firesales and really tried to kick the cheaters. Some of the best times in APB were FF announcements and that FF flames forum. LO bought the game and just had no idea and simply listened to the toxic-cheater core about how not to intervene and what hacked anticheat to use and why to unban and allow unbans to keep their oftentimes stolen or ripped off legendaries... it was this toxic-cheater core who inherited their dream vision of APB... and thus killed what was left of the playing playerbase who always needed fairness and protection from mass predation. BTW I was "summoned" by forum mods that the name I had on this forum for some 7 years was not appropriate... so I made a new forum name, vastly more appropriate. LO's priorities are ridiculous at this point.

American is multicultural and has every race in the world. To the best of my knowledge, both Russian and Brazilian are ethnic countries, and not a "race." You are beyond deluded.

1. Massive cheater unban, 2. Opened servers to Brazilians, 3. Opened servers to Russians. 4. Implemented an old, known bypassed anticheat which a few years earlier was fine... but by the time "LO" implemented it, was trash... and coincided with the mass unbanning... and cheats were allowed to keep their legendaries... some in district had 20 to sell. After that, they did fk all with "gun balancing" HEY try nerfing the damn URSUS, but w/e... then failure RIOT... then working on some console version... OH YEAH Little Orbit's been great for the game! They can't wreck the code because they don't even have a real staff... how long does it take for them to read support tickets? When was the last time a GM was actually in district helping stop ghosters, mission blockers, suspicious players, toxics? You're right... they AREN'T THERE... game has become abandonware under LO. Get off their nuts, they haven't done anything to deserve praise other than "create hope" with unmaterialized false promises... and the game 10x worse off than when they acquired it population-wise.

He is right. There is zero in-game moderation, no GMs spectating for shenanigans and the anticheat isn't updated, has been bypassed for years and isn't working properly which is a huge reason for the population nosedive... but HEY... Little Orbit is writing us monthly updates /cheer

WOW... what a stellar company. Where do I send money? You say G1 lied... so did Little Orbit. and worse, LO not only lied... they actually broke the damn game.

That's why dethreaters should be allowed, only the tryhardism and WTFPwning of the lower skilled and new population should get auto-kicked once attaining gold threat level in the district, since... allowing them to insta gold and grief the living crap out of the bronze district is the WORST game MIS-management model in any game at any time in gaming history. Grats Little Orbit! You win the STINK Award!~ But I doubt they even notice how deteriorated their game has become, let alone why.

You deliberately slammed my post about LO owning APB for 2 years as "bs" and demanded proof. I gave proof and now you post some weaselly reply about me wanting things "easy." Dude go read LO's earlier posts about how the Engine Upgrade was upcoming SOON... and then faded away into the RIOT fiasco. 2 years is not SOON... and by the looks of the abandoned state of the dying game... doubt we will see anything in 2 more years, except closure.

Note the date of publication: 5/11/2018. It is now March 6, 2020. That's 2 years bro... shy of 2 months. https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/05/11/little-orbit-are-now-in-charge-of-apb-reloaded-and-theyve-got-big-plans/

It was in bronze district, Jericho that I saw the guy speedhacking and outrunning cars just about a week ago. Haven't seen him since... but definitely did see him. Daily on citadel I encounter at least 1 wallhack, maybe 2, and a whole lost of suspicious cheka blyat. Cheaters cheat because they like to rickroll their opposition. They don't care if they are playing silver or bronze... most likely silver district gives them challenges they don't like. Could be, since a lot of the really suspicious guys are low levels... are just throwaay alt accounts... their new rank puts them in a low threat lvl district to begin. But they are there... a whole lot more than should be making the game seem like abandonware. Yeah, and in a tiny population pool, everybody encounters them... repeatedly. It's already been 2 years. Kicking up my feet and preparing to wait 2 more.

I was there through it all, don't lecture me about it. Little Orbit has had this game for 2 years and done nothing. They removed Threat segregation, only to re-implement it in the exact same broken state. They say they can't do the Unreal engine 4 upgrade. They say they are working on the Unreal engine 3.5 update but it's hard and taking years longer than anticipated... meanwhile they are working on console versions and RIOT.... but still doing fkall for matchmaking, threat desegregation or implementing even simple fixes like auto-kick once a player achieves gold threat in the bronze district. A LOT of people played when G1 owned it... and there were problems, an G1 did all kinds of things trying to solve them... moving from STRICT threat districts where golds couldn't play anywhere to the version we have now. As LO did a mass unbanning... and then brought over Brazilian and Russian servers... and Engine Upgrade didn't happen... the playerbase took a toilet circling nosedive never before seen in APB history... an that's something even worse than Tigg's banning thousands in the name of Fairfight. I assure you, if "LO" doesn't "HANDLE IT" soon... there won't be a playerbase around for the most unlikely "Engine Upgrade." Yeah cos having actual feedback from the playerbase most poorly impacted by a poorly implemented, much exploited threat system is going to REALLY bring about the insight and change required to FIX problems impacting the majority of the playerbase who are hemorrhaging away. Merged. In truth, a long time ago threat distinction should have been hidden. It's done nothing but divisively break apart the playerbase and encourage the kinds of abuses... trash talking, put downs, tking, provoking by tk to give the guy a demerit so he can be kicked from teams... and created a subculture so toxic, it exploits every conceivable thing... from solid gold premades... rolling in bronze threat district hunting op that has no chance... to fools routinely grouping alt cheat accounts... to having "friends" ghost harass the op outside of missions... That what APB lost, a long time ago was a team that could give a guy a chance... and not be so hard focused on losing threat, and losing face before such a highly prejudicial community... and therefore provoking the kind of silver-bronze-green-trainee stomping tryhardism which played relentlessly, daily, for the express purpose of "destroying" the opposition. One streamer who I can't name... was openly bragging in district how daily he makes at least 5 players rage quit their mission. This guy, this gold, this "pro" was playing in bronze threat district. A long time ago threat should have been hidden, and players judged by their performance. I'm not saying the worst abuses would magically go away... but maybe the culture of silver bashing and trashing, denigrating and humiliating... what amounts to the MAJORITY of the now gone playerbase... maybe it mattered to intervene and try to fix what was so broken.

So true. Max ranks and old-timers don't need any more reward for playing, it just adds to the injustice against lower rank newbies.