Regarding the new anti cheat..

[randomguy343 20]

I just want to know, is the SARD anti cheat completely removed if i were to uninstall APB?? I have yet to update the game as my folders still have EAC in them, but idk.. Currently i just have mixed feelings considering the anti cheat already seems bypassed while giving access to my pc if i were to update it... Idk how i feel about another kernel anti cheat being on my pc when it probably doesn't really work for the game it's attached to.. 

 

I don't want this kernel level anti cheat to linger around when APB isn't installed... I have 1 other game currently that uses gameguard, but atleast that's removed if i were to uninstall that game... I want to jump in and try the new stuff but like i said, i'm just split right now... Because as much as want to jump back into, i just dont see myself getting another kernel level anti cheat on my pc if the anti cheat doesn't properly work while it gives access to my pc to the people behind that anti cheat... Does someone here have experience with any of this? 

Edited August 18 by randomguy343

[dumbekler 3]

Yes we need to know this devs please explain. If we delete apb will SARD also be deleted ? If not how can we delete thanks.

[BlatMan 711]

I'm in the same boat. I'm waiting till they have Linux support. I hope they allow GE-Proton, because Steam's latest proton didn't run that great, and the Steam login was broken.

Edited August 18 by BlatMan

[randomguy343 20]

13 hours ago, BlatMan said:

I'm in the same boat. I'm waiting till they have Linux support. I hope they allow GE-Proton, because Steam's latest proton didn't run that great, and the Steam login was broken.

To me it's more like i don't know enough about this anti cheat to "trust" it on my device.. I've never heard of this SARD anti cheat before, i don't know any of the games they have on their website except silkroad... Why should i give people behind the anti cheat access to my entire pc just to play APB? Especially when the anti cheat already seems breached and people still out there cheating/hacking their nuts off according to what others have said in various different places.. But if were to update my game right now to this SARD anti cheat, can the company behind it or someone else guarantee me that the anti cheat will also be completely removed if i were to uninstall APB?? Instead of it still being around when APB isn't on my device.. 

 

Maybe that i'm just making up stuff for nothing, idk.. But i just want to know more other than what their website states (Which is also what the devs posted on the forums here).. I've asked in several places but still have no definitive answer to any of it... And sure, maybe i am a hypocrite since i have gameguard on my pc as that's also kernel and considered to be shady, but still.. And as bad as EAC was (Considering using a free version for APB doesn't really work), at least i'm more aware about it and what it does/do..

Edited August 18 by randomguy343
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[BlatMan 711]

For me, I don't like having extra stuff running that's not needed. It's another driver that can break my PC if it gets a bad update. I work in IT. I had to manually delete that Crowdstrike driver file on company servers. At least it was only a few hundred, and I got paid for it.

[Sniperturtle 65]

SARD was created by Innova, the same company that used to run the russian APB:R back in the day.

So whatever they bring, the russians already know it.

[MACKxBOLAN 431]

Its not on or it's just as useless as eac.

So because nothing has changed, Im gonna get my Mack on

[wywv 9]

There are well known cheaters, people who have literally posted videos of themselves cheating, still playing on their same max rank accounts. if there was just anyone who actually played the game moderating then these people would be banned.

[randomguy343 20]

4 minutes ago, wywv said:

There are well known cheaters, people who have literally posted videos of themselves cheating, still playing on their same max rank accounts. if there was just anyone who actually played the game moderating then these people would be banned.

But we can't have that now do we, no.. We rather have some kernel level anti cheat that does absolutely nothing, the only thing that it does is giving away access to your pc through a backdoor that will harm your system if abused by bad actors....

 

As long as devs aren't pulling their heads out of their patootie and actually start banning people, this game will never actually recover... Yes the game did gain a increase in players according to steam charts, but those numbers will dip again sooner than later.. Give it a few weeks to a month and that playercount is back again to what it has been for years by now...

 

I've uninstalled anyway and will probably not come back unless they ditched SARD and get ingame moderators who ACTUALLY ban cheaters... But seeing as how that isn't going to happen, i will probably just call it quits and retire like i've said i would.. It's been a good run, but after 10 years i just can't anymore... I'll take all the money and years that i've spend on this game as my own L..

[MACKxBOLAN 431]

30 minutes ago, randomguy343 said:

43 minutes ago, wywv said:

There are well known cheaters, people who have literally posted videos of themselves cheating, still playing on their same max rank accounts. if there was just anyone who actually played the game moderating then these people would be banned.

 

31 minutes ago, randomguy343 said:

As long as devs aren't pulling their heads out of their patootie and actually start banning people, this game will never actually recover

 

Well its obvious they don't care, they sit in their tower and watch all the trolls and chat violations, watch the hackers hack.

So they know whats going on, and Won't do anything about it.  So I'm just gonna sit back and watch it burn. 

[wywv 9]

20 hours ago, MACKxBOLAN said:

Well its obvious they don't care, they sit in their tower and watch all the trolls and chat violations, watch the hackers hack.

So they know whats going on, and Won't do anything about it.  So I'm just gonna sit back and watch it burn. 

i mean.. LO is a company. i'm pretty sure their main concern is making money. i'm guessing keeping around a team of moderators would cost too much for it to be worth it.

[kidi 14]

On 8/18/2024 at 5:34 AM, BlatMan said:

I hope they allow GE-Proton

ha!

we, linux enthusiasts, are so minor - we don't deserve any attention. we are the just a white noise.

[MACKxBOLAN 431]

2 hours ago, wywv said:

team of moderators would cost

You do have a point. From what I've heard, The GM's aren't paid. 

They are volunteers.

 They should be Paid, and or well compensated for their time. 

I want to add in here that I think Maglo is doing a excellent job. 

This one is finishing allot of work the last dev did. 

They have laid off that one dev and Maglo is busy helping the dev team. 

And with the spike in pop I can see there are way too many people for any one 

GM to watch. and I might add that with such a large increase in work load, that;

They are being spread very thin, and the reason I don't see them is because they are 

either busy elsewhere or staying invisible in district, so they can catch the bigger fish.

They need more in game GM's and they need to PAY them.

[randomguy343 20]

Well, i was in the twitch stream (A bit too late as i have to take care of 4 dogs here while my parents are on vaction, while also going to the supermarket to get food and such) but i did ask about whenever the anti cheat was to stay on my pc if i were to uninstall the game or not.. My question sadly didn't get through, so i'm hoping to for another ama anytime soon or something else... As i still want a clear answer on it.

[Y2Venom 219]

9 hours ago, kidi said:

ha!

we, linux enthusiasts, are so minor - we don't deserve any attention. we are the just a white noise.

You are like the Vegans of APB

[randomguy343 20]

I would like to bring up another question regarding SARD... 

 

Is the data that SARD gathers being sent to little orbit first or the armenian company? Does SARD only give pc access through its kernel level backdoor to little orbit or the company behind SARD as well?

[Anella 70]

On 8/23/2024 at 3:42 PM, MACKxBOLAN said:

Well its obvious they don't care, they sit in their tower and watch all the trolls and chat violations, watch the hackers hack.

So they know whats going on, and Won't do anything about it.  So I'm just gonna sit back and watch it burn. 

 

Not often we agree, but yet here we have something in common  

[PingOVER9000 189]

It seems . . a more reason for not playing  - ___ -

[PsyChoVSkiii 4]

Just bring back Fairfight Anti-Cheat and let it do its job . 

[safdfsgkjhdgsjkhs 140]

2 hours ago, PsyChoVSkiii said:

Just bring back Fairfight Anti-Cheat and let it do its job . 

this is actually similar to fair fight. fairfight was only automated for very short period of time and was flagging legits accidentally also. after this it was just all manual or scripted banwaves (they add players to list then press button and they all get hit at once)

 

[Anella 70]

On 9/21/2024 at 3:43 AM, safdfsgkjhdgsjkhs said:

this is actually similar to fair fight. fairfight was only automated for very short period of time and was flagging legits accidentally also. after this it was just all manual or scripted banwaves (they add players to list then press button and they all get hit at once)

 

What is the difference between a guy got banned and then comes to the forum and say "I dont understand why I'm banned, I play legit" and fairfight bans someone who then say, "I dont understand why I got banned, I am playing legit" ?

 

At least that system did ban the cheaters, not given them a second chances. And exactly where did that left APBs current state?

[Mitne 724]

Basically every second match I had was against at least one cheater in enemy team. And game teamed me up with cheaters on my side as well. I'm not blind, I wasn't blind in 2020, 2019, 2018 and so on. Cheating problem is still here, was here and now it's better than never.

 

Sadly it's not just APB problem, it's problem of all multiplayer games where PvP stands. Just entitled generation rose up where they need to win, no matter how. Ruthless upbringing brings ruthless generation - APB lore is perfect example of that.

 

Problem with series like Battlefield vs APB is basically that Battlefield has enough of normal player population to cover cheaters and throw them on sidelines while APB cheaters are such big percentage of population that pretty much every game is affected by them.

 

That obviously got negative effect on current and future population. Hell, even I was thinking of coming back to APB but taking combination of bad matchmaking, lack of any LO oversight and cheating problem... I just dropped it. Too bad it wasn't like that when there was OBT, would at least be game dead on arrival and we wouldn't had this problem.

 

Yet again, as said hundred of times by me - this is both fault of LO (lack of enforcement, lack of oversight and overall "sitting back" attitude) and "loving this game" playerbase which "loves this game so much" that they have to stomp everyone playing it to ground, forgetting that anyone else also plays and nothing will replace them in the end. Enjoy your spoils, they are useless outside APB which inevitably will shut down. And you will have your uh... "gameplays" videos and such which gonna be questioned (rightfully so) for rest of time. And no, you can't legitmaize snapping from player to player while fighting them.

 

Now they also throw some big unknown brazilian, digging in kernel anti-cheat to that and I slowly myself consider of not only uninstalling but deleting my GamersFirst account entirely. All of them. And just leaving. Contrary to what LO believes - I do have games to play, a lot of them. And you guys simply not competitve in any aspect by now. Even customization.

Edited September 26 by Mitne

[randomguy343 20]

On 9/26/2024 at 10:47 AM, Mitne said:

Basically every second match I had was against at least one cheater in enemy team. And game teamed me up with cheaters on my side as well. I'm not blind, I wasn't blind in 2020, 2019, 2018 and so on. Cheating problem is still here, was here and now it's better than never.

 

Sadly it's not just APB problem, it's problem of all multiplayer games where PvP stands. Just entitled generation rose up where they need to win, no matter how. Ruthless upbringing brings ruthless generation - APB lore is perfect example of that.

 

Problem with series like Battlefield vs APB is basically that Battlefield has enough of normal player population to cover cheaters and throw them on sidelines while APB cheaters are such big percentage of population that pretty much every game is affected by them.

 

That obviously got negative effect on current and future population. Hell, even I was thinking of coming back to APB but taking combination of bad matchmaking, lack of any LO oversight and cheating problem... I just dropped it. Too bad it wasn't like that when there was OBT, would at least be game dead on arrival and we wouldn't had this problem.

 

Yet again, as said hundred of times by me - this is both fault of LO (lack of enforcement, lack of oversight and overall "sitting back" attitude) and "loving this game" playerbase which "loves this game so much" that they have to stomp everyone playing it to ground, forgetting that anyone else also plays and nothing will replace them in the end. Enjoy your spoils, they are useless outside APB which inevitably will shut down. And you will have your uh... "gameplays" videos and such which gonna be questioned (rightfully so) for rest of time. And no, you can't legitmaize snapping from player to player while fighting them.

 

Now they also throw some big unknown brazilian, digging in kernel anti-cheat to that and I slowly myself consider of not only uninstalling but deleting my GamersFirst account entirely. All of them. And just leaving. Contrary to what LO believes - I do have games to play, a lot of them. And you guys simply not competitve in any aspect by now. Even customization.

The only thing that held APB up and running, where i spent a lot of actual money on was the customisation of your character... No other game has ever come close to the detail of customisation that APB has, i've spent over 10 years in this game playing it at my own pace... I was never a actual good player though which is fine, i dont have to be good at everything after all... But the amount of cheating that will never be fixed has resulted me in dropping the game altogether... The new anti cheat simply doesn't work while being invasive, i could let it slide that the anti cheat is invasive if it would actually work but no.. So i don't see the point either in having invasive anti cheat on my pc if it doesn't do it's job... The last time that i touched the game was september 5th and i have no intention of going back unless they ditch this anti cheat for one that actually does work..

 

10 years and a few thousand euros down the drain like it's nothing, which is sad but fine... As i'm not going to bother anymore, i'm tired of having to deal with 10 years of incompetence/cluelessness (No matter which company) regarding actually fixing this game.. And like i said, i would ONLY play again if the anti cheat were to actually work... It's the least thing you would expect from some anti cheat that operates on a kernel level... But considering this will never happen, me playing again will also not happen..