Revisited Threat system

[JimmyMalone 1]

So only those who want to be competitive will be Gold.

 

This give the possibility of choosing between Three levels of Threat.

 

 

I create a character I am Green/Bronze. Reached a rank limit I then have the obligation to decide a new threat level - first between Bronze or Silver, and after another level of rank between Silver and Gold.

(However from the beginning I have the possibility of choosing if I already want to do it).

 

 

For example, if I choose Silver I'm stuck for a period with this level. I will only play in those specific districts for my Threat level.

What does this involve?
It means that only competitive players will choose to show themselves as "Gold" while those who have uncertainties will play as Silver. The others, the users who instead in Silver districs will be in difficulty, will choose the Bronze level.

 

 

You can also block the decision on the downside - regarding the lowest Threats - once you reach an acceptable rank level.
Example: level (?) can not select Bronze anymore. 

 

 

Ex1: I want to play with Silver friends without being forced to do so in competitive districts. Or without me having to lose my Threat level along an unfortunate path for everyone.

 

Ex2: I want to always be competitive, I do not care about "noobs". I want to compare myself with the best ones. The Silvers in my district ruin the matches.

 

Ex3: To be honest, I'm new, I'm not good yet. I need time to become somebody on APB and maybe buy some weapon, know how to use it well. I choose for me Bronze until I reach that certain rank. But at that time I will already be the one who does not want to be Bronze anymore.

 

 

Responses to users:

 

 

1: hello TheOppositePolarBear

 

No, 

What you say is to take my idea and make a story of it over the current mechanism.

 

The probability that someone with 5k hours is in the same district with one who has only 300 hours will be low, very low. You say that the other are idiots.

And if what you say could happen, no one could ever accuse the system, but it is precisely because you chose the wrong level for yourself. If new, and with a low rank in fact I would have chosen in each game an appropriate Threat, not the highest, nor the medium one.

On the other hand, if you are always low-skill, the Silver level will be suitable for you even with a million hours of play.

 

 

"of course, a majority of people will do the same thing so really this will just lead to the same situation we have now except even faster because no one has to dethreat"

 

 

Yet, I do not know if you do it purposely to want to see only the advantage of having each district divided by appropriate threats (according to personal judgment).

 

 

A If in fact I play Gold to be competitive, I will not find Bronzes in my team.

 

 

B If I want to play in the Silver I will not find "dethreaters" Gold in my team who want to make me lose.

 

 

C If I want to play against the Bronzes, I have to take a low rank, so a new character. This "makes a little more fair" the fight between an experienced player (that chose the Bronze level for his new character) and a new player in all respects.

 

 

 

Do they look like ridiculous benefits?

 

 

If we could choose to be Silver or Gold, do you really think that dozens of players, hundreds, who have been Gold for years and never want to be Silver, choose a lower threat? No, I think instead that just so we could finally see the Gold districts filled and full.

 

It would be a sort of embarrassment for many to choose to be Silver, while for someone else this would be a goal.

 

It depends on the point of view.

Everyone can enjoy it.

 

 

 

2: Evening CookiePuss,

 

No, instead, if after a certain rank everyone is forced to choose a Threat other than Green or Bronze.
The Silver Threat is permanent if you never want to choose that Gold, to avoid competitive districts and hours of "dethreating".

 

 

"so a high gold player can choose silver threat and then not have to worry about finding easy opp for a month cuz he can slam people in silver"

 

 

If he chooses to play in the Silver district, it means that he is not a "high Gold" player. Maybe high just for rank.

The opponents will not be easier, but of his own level, if the others in fact take the same decision to be Silver.

 

 

Guys you have to get out of the logic of taking this idea and mix it with the current system.

Edited June 24, 2018 by JimmyMalone
I'm answering

[Nite 261]

If LO implements this and also resets threat for all players (because there's no way they wouldn't), why wouldn't everybody just choose the same threat level then?

 

Also, would this proposed system still allow gain or loss of threat?

[vsb 6171]

yeah let’s allow dethreat a to do no work at all to stomp newbies, and at the same time allow new players who have no idea how to judge their skill level to get stuck at a higher threat than they should be

 

 

under no circumstances should players be able to choose their own threat

Edited June 24, 2018 by BXNNXD
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[Spheri 66]

Why do you think people dethreat in the first place? Because they don't wanna play against the competitive players, they'd rather noobstomp on newer players who they can own. 
If you let people decide the threat they can be, you're just removing the work they do in dethreating.

[MrM0dZ 55]

we could have this but only if you choose "gold" and "competitive" gameplay,leave only newbies on bronze

[Defibrillator 132]

Yellows & Silvers in bronze districts choose bronze as their threat and stomp newbies cuz they love ez wins. Simple, no?

[HK33E 40]

I opt to make the Threat divided into Levels (Bronze 1-5, Silver 1-5, Gold 1-5) With the option to auto-kick players who becomes Gold in Bronze districts.

[Isais 11]

give bronze unlimited bronze backup vs gold. Even pulling backup from players that don't play apb. also airstrokes

[TheOppositePolarBear 93]

53 minutes ago, JimmyMalone said:

A fun, fair, and competitive method.

It can completely eliminate the scourge of the phenomenon called "dethreating".

 

 

We give the possibility of choosing between Three levels of Threat.

 

 

I create a character I am green. (Reached a rank limit I then have the obligation to decide a new threat level).

However from the beginning I have the possibility of choosing between Bronze, Silver and Gold.

 

 

For example, if I choose Silver I'm stuck for a period with this level. I will only play in those specific districts for my Threat level.

What does this involve?
It means that only competitive players will choose to show themselves as "Gold" while those who have uncertainties will play as Silver. The others, the users who instead in Silver districs will be in difficulty, will choose the Bronze level.

 

 

Simple, no?

 

 

(You can also block the decision on the downside once you reach an acceptable rank level.
Example: level (?) can not select bronze anymore. )

 

 

Responses to users:

 

Hello Nite,

 

I do not think they should lose their Threat level if that was chosen to characterize them.

 

Ex1: I want to play with Silver friends without being forced to do so in competitive districts. Or without me having to lose my Threat level along an unfortunate path for everyone.

 

Ex2: I want to always be competitive, I do not care about "noobs". I want to compare myself with the best ones. The Silvers in my district ruin the matches.

 

 

that would only increase the problem of dethreaters. threat ranks should never be used to create a causal/competitive gamemodes. thats what UI buttons are for.

 

lets say you, player with 5000+ hours in the game, and your friend, with 3000+ hours in the game decides to choose silver and get paired vs a silver with 200 hours in the game and another silver with 30 hours in the game. would that be fair? no. all you've done is to erase the whole porpuse of the ranking system (match players with people of arround-equal levels) and re-porpuse it for a way to choose between "casual" and "ranked" (wich, normally, would be a IU button).

 

and guess whats going to happend when you do so? yup. tryhards will choose bronze/silver. cuack! enjoy keep fighting tryhards.

 

i already did a post about the "non-belonginess" of apb, and multiple posts about how the whole matchmaking and ranking system needs to be reworked.

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Isais said:

give bronze unlimited bronze backup vs gold. Even pulling backup from players that don't play apb. also airstrokes

 

LOL this is actually a kind-of-good writing prompt.

 

"and thus, APB beacome the most wide-spread virus. you could be playing any other game, working on a essay for school, chatting with your girlfriend, and suddenly, APB would load out of the blue, and you would be forced to play as backup in a game you never knew existed"

 

[JimmyMalone 1]

hello TheOppositePolarBear

 

No, 

What you say is to take my idea and make a story of it over the current mechanism.

 

 

The probability that someone with 5k hours is in the same district with one who has only 300 hours will be low, very low. You say that the other are idiots.

And if what you say could happen, no one could ever accuse the system, but it is precisely because you chose the wrong level for yourself. If new and with a low rank in fact I would have chosen in each game an appropriate Threat, not the highest, nor the medium one.

On the other hand, if you are always low-skill, the Silver level will be suitable for you even with a million hours of play.

Edited June 24, 2018 by JimmyMalone

[CookiePuss 5377]

Correct me if Im wrong, but it seems like this system would be even easier to exploit than the current one. 

 

 

At least now people have to put in SOME work in order to continually stomp noobs, but this system would basically allow them to do it permanently and without consequence. 

[JimmyMalone 1]

Just now, CookiePuss said:

Correct me if Im wrong, but it seems like this system would be even easier to exploit than the current one. 

 

 

At least now people have to put in SOME work in order to continually stomp noobs, but this system would basically allow them to do it permanently and without consequence. 

Evening CookiePuss,

 

No, instead, if after a certain rank everyone is forced to choose a Threat other than Green or Bronze.
The Silver Threat is permanent if you never want to choose that Gold, so as to avoid competitive districts and hours of "dethreating".

 

[vsb 6171]

5 minutes ago, JimmyMalone said:

Evening CookiePuss,

 

No, instead, if after a certain rank everyone is forced to choose a Threat other than Green or Bronze.
The Silver Threat is permanent if you never want to choose that Gold, so as to avoid competitive districts and hours of "dethreating".

 

so a high gold player can choose silver threat and then not have to worry about finding easy opp for a month cuz he can slam people in silver

[JimmyMalone 1]

2 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

so a high gold player can choose silver threat and then not have to worry about finding easy opp for a month cuz he can slam people in silver

If he chooses to play in the Silver district, it means that he is not a "high gold" player. Maybe high just for rank. The opponents

they will not be easier, but of their own level, if the others in fact take the same decision to be Silver.

 

Guys you have to get out of the logic of taking this idea and mix it with the current system.

[vsb 6171]

35 minutes ago, JimmyMalone said:

If he chooses to play in the Silver district, it means that he is not a "high gold" player. Maybe high just for rank. The opponents

they will not be easier, but of their own level, if the others in fact take the same decision to be Silver.

 

Guys you have to get out of the logic of taking this idea and mix it with the current system.

changing a persons ingame threat level doesn’t affect their actual skill 

 

 

so when a high skill player chooses a threat lower than his actual skill level it gives them access to gauranteed easy opp

 

 

of course, a majority of people will do the same thing so really this will just lead to the same situation we have now except even faster because no one has to dethreat

 

[JimmyMalone 1]

5 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

changing a persons ingame threat level doesn’t affect their actual skill 

 

 

so when a high skill player chooses a threat lower than his actual skill level it gives them access to gauranteed easy opp

 

 

of course, a majority of people will do the same thing so really this will just lead to the same situation we have now except even faster because no one has to dethreat

 

At least mate you have partly grasped what I say.

 

 

Yet, I do not know if you do it purposely to want to see only the advantage of having each district divided by appropriate threats (according to personal judgment).

 

 

1 If in fact I play Gold to be competitive, I will not find Bronzes in my team.

 

 

2 If I want to play in the Silver I will not find "dethreaters" Gold in my team who want to make me lose.

 

 

3 If I want to play against the Bronzes, I have to take a low rank, so a new character. This "makes a little more fair" the fight between an experienced player (that chose the Bronze level for his new character) and a new player in all respects.

 

 

Do they look like ridiculous benefits?

[vsb 6171]

2 minutes ago, JimmyMalone said:

At least mate you have partly grasped what I say.

 

 

Yet, I do not know if you do it purposely to want to see only the advantage of having each district divided by appropriate threats (according to personal judgment).

 

 

1 If in fact I play Gold to be competitive, I will not find Bronzes in my team.

 

 

2 If I want to play in the Silver I will not find "dethreaters" Gold in my team who want to make me lose.

 

 

3 If I want to play against the Bronzes, I have to take a low rank, so a new character. This "makes a little more fair" the fight between an experienced player (that chose the Bronze level for his new character) and a new player in all respects.

 

 

Do they look like ridiculous benefits?

yes

 

 

you’ve now allowed players choose their own threat, it doesn’t matter if it’s one level below or not people will choose the lower threat for easy opposition

 

 

it’s going to end up the same as it is now, with gold districts empty and silver districts having a huge range of player skill which will make matchmaking effectively useless

 

 

Edited June 24, 2018 by BXNNXD
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[JimmyMalone 1]

5 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

yes

 

 

you’ve now allowed players choose their own threat, it doesn’t matter if it’s one level below or not people will choose the lower threat for easy opposition

exactly mate, it means only one word for most users - Silver

 

 

I call it Silver because it is currently the game. If LO were to change things, then we could also call it "Butterfly", "Monkey", "Rainbow" trivial examples to say that that is not important.

 

 

So only those who want to be competitive will be Gold. Only those who are "new" will be Bronze.

Edited June 24, 2018 by JimmyMalone
my english, excuse me

[vsb 6171]

2 minutes ago, JimmyMalone said:

exactly mate, it means only one word for most users - Silver

 

 

I call it Silver because it is currently the game. If LO were to change things, then we could also call it "Butterfly", "Monkey", "Rainbow" trivial examples to say that that is not important.

if it’s not important then why do u want the option to choose it

Edited June 24, 2018 by BXNNXD
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[JimmyMalone 1]

4 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

if it’s not important then why do u want the option to choose it

To cancel the "dethreating" phenomenon. To choose your own level of threat without it being mandatory.

 

 

and for what i typed previously to you

 

 

1 If in fact I play Gold to be competitive, I will not find Bronzes in my team.

 

 

2 If I want to play in the Silver I will not find "dethreaters" Gold in my team who want to make me lose.

 

 

3 If I want to play against the Bronzes, I have to take a low rank, so a new character. This "makes a little more fair" the fight between an experienced player (that chose the Bronze level for his new character) and a new player in all respects.

Edited June 24, 2018 by JimmyMalone

[vsb 6171]

9 minutes ago, JimmyMalone said:

To cancel the "dethreating" phenomenon. To choose your own level of threat without it being mandatory.

 

 

and for what i typed previously to you

 

 

1 If in fact I play Gold to be competitive, I will not find Bronzes in my team.

 

 

2 If I want to play in the Silver I will not find "dethreaters" Gold in my team who want to make me lose.

 

 

3 If I want to play against the Bronzes, I have to take a low rank, so a new character. This "makes a little more fair" the fight between an experienced player (that chose the Bronze level for his new character) and a new player in all respects.

youre attempting to eliminate dethreating by removing the dethreating part, not the end results

 

1) a majority of people will not choose to play in gold, which will then cause anyone who does to not play there either and to follow them to populated districts 

 

 

2) you’ll very likely still find people who simply wont participate against any opp they perceive as difficult, since they’re only in the district for easy opp

 

 

3)tbh this is the only part i’m kind of ok with, but it also punishes anyone who is bad at the game and high rank, as they’ll be forced to play with silvers and golds

 

[JimmyMalone 1]

7 minutes ago, BXNNXD said:

youre attempting to eliminate dethreating by removing the dethreating part, not the end results

 

1) a majority of people will not choose to play in gold, which will then cause anyone who does to not play there either and to follow them to populated districts 

 

 

2) you’ll very likely still find people who simply wont participate against any opp they perceive as difficult, since they’re only in the district for easy opp

 

 

3)tbh this is the only part i’m kind of ok with, but it also punishes anyone who is bad at the game and high rank, as they’ll be forced to play with silvers and golds

 

I do not say that your opposition makes no sense. on the contrary, it is justified, but only because we think or reason through current experience.

 

 

In fact, if we could choose to be Silver or Gold, do you really think that dozens of players, hundreds, who have been Gold for years and never want to be Silver, choose a lower threat? No, I think instead that just so we could finally see the Gold districts filled and full.

 

It would be a sort of embarrassment for many to choose to be Silver, while for someone else this would be a goal.

 

It depends on the point of view.

Everyone can enjoy it.

[vsb 6171]

4 minutes ago, JimmyMalone said:

I do not say that your opposition makes no sense. on the contrary, it is justified, but only because we think or reason through current experience.

 

 

In fact, if we could choose to be Silver or Gold, do you really think that dozens of players, hundreds, who have been Gold for years and never want to be Silver, choose a lower threat? No, I think instead that just so we could finally see the Gold districts filled and full.

 

It would be a sort of embarrassment for many to choose to be Silver, while for someone else this would be a goal.

 

It depends on the point of view.

Everyone can enjoy it.

of course they would, all the current dethreaters would choose silver, or bronze if they could

 

 

and since silver district would be where the population would be, anyone who wanted gold would have to go there anyway just to get opp

 

 

especially since being silver would no longer be a reflection of your skill

[JimmyMalone 1]

Just now, BXNNXD said:

of course they would, all the current dethreaters would choose silver, or bronze if they could

 

 

and since silver district would be where the population would be, anyone who wanted gold would have to go there anyway just to get opp

 

 

especially since being silver would no longer be a reflection of your skill

All the current dethreaters are a small part, but very boring.

The rest are Golds or Silvers.

 

 

This idea poses a solution for everyone, mainly to eliminate the phenomenon of dethreating.

So I do not think the current golds will choose to be silver, otherwise they would already do it now, do not you think?

Instead they do not because they do not want to play in the bronze district.

For the pop in the districts I told you before, only in this way can the gold district be populated.

[NotTheEnforcer 222]

I've been playing for a long time, but I never thought of myself as competitive or think of learning the tricks/advantages that seemingly most competitive Golds know. Obviously I like to win, but who doesn't?

 

 

Im Gold threat right now, and have been for years. Havent been Silver in 2+ years and I don't dethreat. I'm competent enough to put up a fight against most high-rank golds, but being a mid-level Gold myself, who doesn't think of APB as my life or strictly play APB, I'm not like them, I consider myself a High-Quality Silver lol. I'd be near the top-grade Silvers, but not really good enough to get into Gold and be competitive against them.

 

 

I'd like this idea, at least as a test for a new threat system and see how it works out. In theory it seems like it'd work well.

 

 

Edit: Since I've been playing rather consistently, I've actually been fluctuating between Silver/Gold pretty often. I'd say a switch per day maybe. Like I said, I'm pretty borderline threat in my skill.

Edited June 25, 2018 by NotTheEnforcer