Little Orbit, please avoid predatory videogame monetization

[ScLines 13]

Okay. This is not exactly a new subject as Matt has seen the current anti-loot box bill that is still in the works. But there are other things that cannot be ignored and no excuses should be made when it comes to monetization that is addictive. Not sure if any of you have seen this video, but I recommend you watch this video in its entirety before commenting as it is important. Took me a few times to watch this whole thing and I wholeheartedly agree that gaming has kind of taken a dark turn compared to simple old days of NES, SNES, Genesis etc. You get the idea.

 

I bet some people will try to defend or ignore some of the facts stated in this video, but I think it is important that some changes have to be made.

[NotZombieBiscuit 3146]

They said they would evaluate the loot box mechanics around the time Belgium started banning them.

 

Then released two more after that. Guess that evaluation was that there is nothing wrong with disgusting monetary tactics?

 

Is another evaluation needed or did the first one just not even happen.

[Nite 261]

34 minutes ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:

They said they would evaluate the loot box mechanics around the time Belgium started banning them.

 

Then released two more after that. Guess that evaluation was that there is nothing wrong with disgusting monetary tactics?

 

Is another evaluation needed or did the first one just not even happen.

Maybe the reasoning they've chosen is some variant of "if we redirect attention to our regular upfront micro-transactions more and more then our existing scummy gambling mechanics won't look too scummy!"

 

 

[NotZombieBiscuit 3146]

2 minutes ago, Nite said:

Maybe the reasoning they've chosen is some variant of "if we redirect attention to our regular upfront micro-transactions more and more then our existing scummy gambling mechanics won't look too scummy!"

 

 

Must be awkward when all the actual armas items they have brought out have been loot boxes then.

[Mitne 724]

Honestly not fan of Jimquisiton, especially taking his hostile politcal views (and I wouldn't bring this up but well... this views heavily affect correct judgement of his on many cases of gaming), point is though valid for this issue - it's hard to be wrong with it, this practice is anti-capitalistic in my honest opinion (as it manipulate demand and supply of everyone involved, being similiar economy to that of which are drug dealers and drug users).

 

Lootboxes are (contrary to what you believe or lie about, EA) gambling and as we well know gambling can be addiction if certain person is vulnerable.

What is more scary is that, the more poor you are, the more vulnerable you are to hazards of gamblings. Idea of big gain with minimal effort is what is driving this addiction. To some it's thrill of winning but most of time it's big gain sight.

Rich won't get addicted to EA-like predatory tactics. They just shrug it off, charge they account with 1k$, get bored of mediocre game and leave - very likely treating all games like that... good or bad. Poor players on other way, get hooked up into game cause they paid for it so they can't just abandon it (entry level trap), then they will be either handicapped or make efforts of player not worth "the price" but doing it after hooking up player to game - mostly done by entry level "free starter packs stuff" etc. etc. (mid game trap), then they will charge for boxes with 0,5% or less or make it so the boxes drop chance will be extremely low but keys will be expensive and to top it off, still leaving 0,5% or less chance on this boxes to drop anything good (finale game trap).

 

Problem is what you consider "monetization". The only thing which is anything resembling gambling would be JMBs, everything else is "You get what you buy stuff" and this game can't fund itself from thin air.

 

So let's me ask you. What you see that is wrong with plans of monetization in this game? JMBs are planned to go away after all.

Edited July 2, 2019 by Mitne

[ScLines 13]

20 minutes ago, Mitne said:

Honestly not fan of Jimquisiton, especially taking his hostile politcal views (and I wouldn't bring this up but well... this views heavily affect correct judgement of his on many cases of gaming), point is though valid for this issue - it's hard to be wrong with it, this practice is anti-capitalistic in my honest opinion (as it manipulate demand and supply of everyone involved, being similiar economy to that of which are drug dealers and drug users).

 

Lootboxes are (contrary to what you believe or lie about, EA) gambling and as we well know gambling can be addiction if certain person is vulnerable.

What is more scary is that, the more poor you are, the more vulnerable you are to hazards of gamblings. Idea of big gain with minimal effort is what is driving this addiction. To some it's thrill of winning but most of time it's big gain sight.

Rich won't get addicted to EA-like predatory tactics. They just shrug it off, charge they account with 1k$, get bored of mediocre game and leave - very likely treating all games like that... good or bad. Poor players on other way, get hooked up into game cause they paid for it so they can't just abandon it (entry level trap), then they will be either handicapped or make efforts of player not worth "the price" but doing it after hooking up player to game - mostly done by entry level "free starter packs stuff" etc. etc. (mid game trap), then they will charge for boxes with 0,5% or less or make it so the boxes drop chance will be extremely low but keys will be expensive and to top it off, still leaving 0,5% or less chance on this boxes to drop anything good (finale game trap).

 

Problem is what you consider "monetization". The only thing which is anything resembling gambling would be JMBs, everything else is "You get what you buy stuff" and this game can't fund itself from thin air.

 

So let's me ask you. What you see that is wrong with plans of monetization in this game? JMBs are planned to go away after all.

I already answered the question on the original post. Little Orbit should avoid predatory monetization, if that wasn't obvious enough. 

[Genobee 143]

On 7/2/2019 at 11:29 AM, NotZombieBiscuit said:

Must be awkward when all the actual armas items they have brought out have been loot boxes then.

Hey, hey. They also brought in a paltry rotating selection of debundled items. Of which makes me feel downright awful for having paid an absurd mark up for in the past. Then some of which were supposed to be "exclusive" (Old G1's fault there in all fairness). Yet they receive constant praise for it somehow. So the theory that they jingled keys in front of us as a distraction could hold some water! mostly just being an idiot here, but businesses do sometimes employ tactics like that. Not sure if that is the case here though. I mean they haven't even released much in the way of new monetized stuff yet. 

 

 

Ugh. On a random note I just remembered that they ruined an old event prize. The "Forever Alone" title used to be some super-ultra-mega rare thing for the winners of an old valentines day contest. The one where they gave out that title for being in the top few kills. Now everyone has it. Kiiiinda sucks to have worked my patootie off for that and have it handed out to everyone  

 

Okay. I'm done whining.

Edited July 3, 2019 by Genobee

[CookiePuss 5378]

You folks know you don't HAVE to buy JMBs, right?

 

Guns are meh at best anyways. 

 

 

[vsb 6171]

1 hour ago, Genobee said:

The "Forever Alone" title

don’t worry g1 ruined that first 

[ScLines 13]

3 hours ago, CookiePuss said:

You folks know you don't HAVE to buy JMBs, right?

 

Guns are meh at best anyways. 

 

 

If you watched the video that whole thing of "you don't have to buy loot boxes/microtransactions" is a poor excuse. It's kind of like saying to a little kid when going to a casino saying you don't need to gamble etc. Most monetization nowadays is predatory as explained in that video, and there are those that will end up spending money that go out of control etc. 

[yood 345]

контингент игры + 18 . в 18 лет у тебя уже начинают работать мозги , это ваши проблемы и  ответственность .

у компании есть одна проблема - законодательство некоторых  стран . 

 

меня все устраивает .

[ScLines 13]

1 minute ago, Yood said:

контингент игры + 18 . в 18 лет у тебя уже начинают работать мозги , это ваши проблемы и  ответственность .

у компании есть одна проблема - законодательство некоторых  стран . 

 

меня все устраивает .

Google Translate says of your post:

 

"contingent of game + 18. at the age of 18 your brains are starting to work, these are your problems and responsibilities. The company has one problem - the legislation of some countries.   Everything suits me."

 

That's because the game industry didn't fight back against loot boxes/microtransactions for years, knowing they are predatory. Only recently people have been fighting back against it, nothing wrong with gambling/microtransactions provided the game is rated Adults Only. And you know that having a game rated Adults Only isn't good for business.

 

Google Translate of my post to your language:

 

"Это потому, что игровая индустрия годами не боролась с лут-боксами / микротранзакциями, зная, что они хищные. Только недавно люди боролись против этого, ничего плохого в азартных играх / микротранзакциях, если игра оценена только для взрослых. И вы знаете, что игра с рейтингом «Только для взрослых» не подходит для бизнеса."

[yood 345]

Just now, ScLines said:

Google Translate says of your post:

 

"contingent of game + 18. at the age of 18 your brains are starting to work, these are your problems and responsibilities. The company has one problem - the legislation of some countries.   Everything suits me."

 

That's because the game industry didn't fight back against loot boxes/microtransactions for years, knowing they are predatory. Only recently people have been fighting back against it, nothing wrong with gambling/microtransactions provided the game is rated Adults Only. And you know that having a game rated Adults Only isn't good for business.

 

Google Translate of my post to your language:

 

"Это потому, что игровая индустрия годами не боролась с лут-боксами / микротранзакциями, зная, что они хищные. Только недавно люди боролись против этого, ничего плохого в азартных играх / микротранзакциях, если игра оценена только для взрослых. И вы знаете, что игра с рейтингом «Только для взрослых» не подходит для бизнеса."

производитель игр имеет право зарабатывать деньги любым способом , если это не ограничено законодательством .  

 

the game manufacturer has the right to make money in any way , if it is not limited by law .

[ScLines 13]

8 minutes ago, Yood said:

производитель игр имеет право зарабатывать деньги любым способом , если это не ограничено законодательством .  

 

the game manufacturer has the right to make money in any way , if it is not limited by law .

Yeah, but definitely not with the predatory/addictive monetization. If companies can't make a good game without the monetization like the old days, maybe they shouldn't be in business. 

 

Да, но определенно не с хищной / захватывающей монетизацией. Если компании не могут сделать хорошую игру без монетизации, как в старые времена, возможно, им не следует заниматься бизнесом.

Edited July 3, 2019 by ScLines

[CookiePuss 5378]

36 minutes ago, ScLines said:

If you watched the video that whole thing of "you don't have to buy loot boxes/microtransactions" is a poor excuse. It's kind of like saying to a little kid when going to a casino saying you don't need to gamble etc. Most monetization nowadays is predatory as explained in that video, and there are those that will end up spending money that go out of control etc. 

 

It's the truth. 

This is a game for adults. 

APB is not your mommy. 

 

Whatever happened to taking responsibility for our own actions?

 

 

[vsb 6171]

23 minutes ago, ScLines said:

If companies can't make a good game without the monetization like the old days, maybe they shouldn't be in business. 

but apb loot boxes are about as far removed from gameplay as they can get without being cosmetics

[ScLines 13]

35 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

 

It's the truth. 

This is a game for adults. 

APB is not your mommy. 

 

Whatever happened to taking responsibility for our own actions?

 

 

Last I checked the game was not rated Adults Only (AO), especially as shown on the Steam page. And I'd like for you to use that same logic to those players who easily get addicted to the predatory monetization. Addiction is not a switch you can easily turn on/off, it is not that simple.

Edited July 3, 2019 by ScLines

[CookiePuss 5378]

Just now, ScLines said:

 Addiction is not a switch you can easily turn on/off, it is not that simple.

Nor is it in any way the problem of video game makers. 

 

Much as the liquor store isn't responsible for alcoholism, nor the dispensary for drug abuse...

APB is not responsible for your behavioral health issues. 

[ScLines 13]

2 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

Nor is it in any way the problem of video game makers. 

 

Much as the liquor store isn't responsible for alcoholism, nor the dispensary for drug abuse...

APB is not responsible for your behavioral health issues. 

And it is just as easy not to have those mechanics that cause behavioral issues in the first place in a video game, especially in the current state where people get hooked on the bad monetization. No problem criticizing a bad game with no monetization.

[CookiePuss 5378]

32 minutes ago, ScLines said:

And it is just as easy not to have those mechanics that cause behavioral issues in the first place in a video game, especially in the current state where people get hooked on the bad monetization. No problem criticizing a bad game with no monetization.

I'll take JMBs over a monthly $ubscription any day. 

After all, that money has to come from somewhere. 

[Fortune Runner 796]

 

23 hours ago, ScLines said:

monetization that is addictive

........... are we talking about APB still?

Because if not , then it doesn't belong here.

[Alani 475]

apb was rereleased with the joker boxes

 

idk y u think this is new

 

but these things have been around for a while now and theyre not really intrusive lmao

[ScLines 13]

1 hour ago, Fortune Runner said:

 

........... are we talking about APB still?

Because if not , then it doesn't belong here.

I already said before that APB should avoid predatory monetization.

 

1 hour ago, Alani said:

apb was rereleased with the joker boxes

 

idk y u think this is new

 

but these things have been around for a while now and theyre not really intrusive lmao

Yeah, back when people didn't know better or make a strong protest. I still remember Mass Effect 3's multiplayer having loot boxes too but didn't say too much about it at the time, neither did many others. Only realizing how addictive these microtransactions/loot boxes are addictive after many years later with several studies done only then these are seen in a negative light.

[Fortune Runner 796]

26 minutes ago, ScLines said:

I already said before that APB should avoid predatory monetization.

As CookiePuss and others have mentioned in multiple threads this past year , APB has not made profit , so again..... are we talking about APB still?

[ScLines 13]

36 minutes ago, Fortune Runner said:

As CookiePuss and others have mentioned in multiple threads this past year , APB has not made profit , so again..... are we talking about APB still?

Yep. I've seen one new game before release with the developers promising they won't add predatory monetization in future updates. That was a lie. Let's not see that happen to this game at any point in the future.