ReaperTheButcher

if 3 shots from the CCG and then a pig shot is called useless for you, there is no hope for you, even Kempington, a very respectable figure in the APB community said and explained why the PIG was the problem here and you dared to say you "debunked" his claims, you are out of your mind, as the HVR is still functional after the nerf, the PIG is still functional just a bit less, and stop telling me i cant contribute to weapon balancing because i played this game more then anyone else and have my medals to prove it (eg. 11720~ Blizzkrieg 1 medals which is the highest in game), what do you have ?, nothing beside whining about this nerf, it is here to stay and you can keep being angry as much as you want, i might as well enter fightclub and whoop yo disrespectalbe a$$.

I edited my post you quoted right before you posted this one i quoted, take a look at it, LTL is not the problem, the PIG was the problem as i told it had 950 stamina damage and allowed for unconventional tactics to be used which was never intended to work as with the pig percing, Little Orbit was nice enough to leave this tactic to still work but be less inconsistent, and you bring your bullsh*t that the other LTL weapons got indirect nerf to them because the PIG was nerfed and now you cant shot someone with the ccg and then PIG them as easily as before the nerf, your argument has no point because the other LTL weapons are still the same facts their stats wasn't touched at all. You are no longer getting my attention as you are close-minded and ignorant, your only interest is to them to rollback the PIG nerf because you used to main it before as a secondary weapon, and now as you say it is "useless" when clearly it still is, Little Oribt was nice enough and said that the pig-perc still works but require more skill to be consistent which is probably bad for people like you, guess what ? people whined about the NHVR quickswitching nerf and it is still here, your point is that the other LTL weapons got indirect nerf to them because you cant now hit a shot with Stabba - CCG and then switch to the PIG to stun, all the other LTL weapons are still the same just you cant stun people after 1 shot from a Stabba - CCG and then a PIG shot, now you need 3 hits from the Stabba - CCG to stun someone with a shot from the post-nerf PIG, guess what ? this nerf is here to stay so you might as well retire your justice sword as an angry enforcer that his broken PIG is now less broken, Adiós Amigos.

The nerf is not going anywhere the same as the NHVR nerf, the PIG is different and more problematic then other none lethal weapons, other none lethal weapons are okay as they are, the problem was the PIG with the unconventional tactics it could be used with lethal weapons as with the ISSR-B or a perc grenade for example, it might be an indirect nerf to your loadout if you used your primary weapon as an LTL as an ccg and a PIG as a secondary, what do you want ? a buff to other LTL weapons like the ccg to "compensate" for the very needed nerf to the stamina damage of the PIG ? just because you use this loadout and this nerf messed it up and you want to keep it broken doesn't mean this nerf is wrong.

Thats the point, you shouldn't be able hit someone with the primary weapon (Lets say the ISSR-B) and then finish him off with a PIG shot that shouldn't happen with weapons that are lethal.

A hit from the JG and then a PIG shot will do the job i might have mistaken between those, as you said most weapons cant stun but a few have higher enough stamina damage to stun you if you get hit by a PIG or a good stun grenade.

What a joke, i dont want the percs to be nerfed ? are you out of your mind i use Frag grenades since forever since they are the best, so i dont care if the percs will be nerfed as i even prefer them to be out of the game completely the same goes for the heavy NHVR, i use percs omg lol xDDDD

Wrong, i told that if you somehow get your stamina damaged before those weapons hit you, for example falling from higher place can result in a stamina damage or getting hit by the PIG, you can shot someone with the weapons mentioned by you and stun them, both the Nano and the DMR has health damage higher than their stamina damage, but if you get your stamina lower enough before those weapons hit you, you will eventually get stunned before getting killed by those weapons.

You might as well quote me fully as the part you quoted do not represent the full idea of what i said, i told that not a single primary weapon is as consistent to kill at 0.6 TTK as it was with the time to stun with the CSG/PIG tactic which is basically can be achieved as fast as you can switch from one another even more if you have a macro setup to execute it perfectly, the same goes for the JG/SNR, next time quote me fully to not butcher the main idea, just lame but what can i expect from a Newbie like you barely gold, as someone from the SPCT said, "we have players from the whole spectrum of skills",i guess you fall on the spectrum of the most un-experienced players there

This: https://www.gamersfirst.com/apb/news/2020/9/11/weapon-balance Take a look at the "PIG" section of this blog post i will quote it very accurately for you: "The combination of Percussion Grenades and the PIG can be oppressive. By lowering the stamina damage of the PIG from 950 to 675, we are forcing users to hit their percussion grenade more accurately and follow up the throw with a shot from the PIG faster. This should preserver the strategy but make the combination require more skill to pull off." After all this nerf still allow you to use that pig percing tactic, but it will be more inconsistent since it require more skill to pull off, i hope that you have enough skill for that now, i really doubt it though. all the other ISSR-B/PIG tactics shouldn't even existed in the first place, the same goes for the quick switching with the heavy NHVR and the switch quick with the JG/SNR, which all was nerfed and made inconsistent but still manageable to some degree, now it is the turn of the PIG percing tactic to be made more inconsistent, i dont want to sound rude or anything but you are no different than the people who whined about the quickswitching with the NHVR which they probably played the most, guess what ? the nerf wasn't rolled back and it is here to stay the same is with the pig. End of discussion i guess.

If i am not mistaken there is not a single primary weapon that can kill you with less than 0.6 TTK (Used to be JG/ snub switching which was "nerfed as well") as consistently as you could do with all those dirty none lethal tactics, all this "nerf" did was to make those dirty tactics less consistent, seems like you cry about your PIG being nerfed, dont forget everything has a reason to it and alot of brain storming behind it, i think @Kempington has explained it the best here: Oh and i did notice that u like some color to your posts so here you i have some colors for you, just because i am nice today. oh and i do participate in weapon balancing only in the case i see something as stupid as your argument here.

Let me just leave it right here... This is stupid to even argue with what everybody else can tell you, seems like you forgot about the csg/pig switching.. and yeah.. i played the game more then you thats for sure. Your statement has no point Edit: i find it pretty funny you are arguing with Kempington about actual ingame facts, seems like a no brainer to me.

This is not a smart thing to say, here is a big fat dislike, you dont think it is a little outrageous to say this ? with certain tactics you could stun players with less time to stun then any weapon time to kill in the game.

Very much agreed, i glad someone was sane enough to nerf this pig, and of course its natural someone who mained it as a secondary will cry here on the forums so dont take it too seriously the most important thing is that most of the community is happy.

pig/perc or a shot from a ccg and then pig is "respectable" ? give me and all the sane players here a break.. its even worse than quickswitching..

But But.. they nerfed you !!

LMFAO everything makes sense, and those nerfs was looked at by people with thousands and thousands of gameplay hours as everything has purpose to it LMFAO

Boo Hoo, they nerfed my go to secondary so i have to whine on the forums, grow up, everything has a reason to it.

Or just buy it from Armas for people who doesn't have the time to grind FC.. which seems like a nice shortcut..

I heard that phrase too many times from clowns like you, you dont actually play the game by the looks of it.

Most weapons have less stamina damage than health damage, if the stamina damage is higher then health damage you will result in stunning the player and not killing him, you are probably a new player and dont understand that..

This is the same thing, stunning players is dealing stamina damage, before the "nerf" the pig had 950 stamina damage which is 95% of the damage threshold of the player, and the perc has enough stamina damage and even if you almost miss it and the enemy get hit by it even as little as 50 stamina damage and you hit the pig shot right after, the object will be stunned, all they did was decrease the pig stamina damage so that dirty tactic still works but wont be as consistent as before which is great.

I know, i meant there is 85* people complaining about the damage and not 850 but no one understood the "joke"

85* people

I dont know who you are no offense, but hey its a returning player so thats already good, welcome back.

Of course there will be mixed feelings about gun balancing, some people main the PMG and they are upset it got nerfed as an example, This is completely natural and this update is a welcomed step foward to bringing back APB: Reloaded to its former ''glory''.