PonuryZniwiarz 51 Posted Saturday at 05:15 PM colby ap should be nerfed, its op everyone use it, its better than any other legendary 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skaterdanny1 27 Posted Saturday at 05:58 PM 14 hours ago, LilyRain said: OCA (0.7 s ttk) and JG (0.67 s ttk) "easily" lose to a 0.8+s ttk weapon in close range..............? Thanks for sharing but the only correct thing you have mentioned is that Colby .45 has a 0.8 ttk. You are completely missing the point. You almost never hit ALL of your OCA shots when spraying due to spread/bloom, whereas it's extremely common to hit all your 5 shots from the .45 AP. Let's say you hit ALL of your shots. Under this very unlikely but ideal scenario the .45 AP 0.8s TTK is 100ms off the OCA's 0.7s TTK which proves my entire point. No secondary should be even near the TTK of primary CQC weapons. The more likely scenario is that you miss a shot or two from your OCA, making it on par or even worse than the .45 AP. Compare this to the legendary secondary weapon OCA Nano, which has a 1.05s TTK. This weapon is a lot better balanced for a secondary weapon as it's clearly outmatched by the primary weapon OCA. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koenyboy500 56 Posted Saturday at 06:14 PM I'm just very happy that some people with brains are also taken up some action here. Nerf AP. Nothing will change except for some people crying over not having their op secondary anymore. Everyone wins. Except 'them' 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVInezca 83 Posted Sunday at 12:37 PM This wappon is a big problem since many years. I know many legit people who leave that game because this wappon. It feels not right when you doing smart play to come in range for your gun advantage only to check that you also lost the battle in very quick time and your personal feeling with aiming was nice. The .45 gun need a nerf in ttk. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deadliest 392 Posted Sunday at 12:50 PM (edited) On 4/8/2025 at 11:15 PM, skaterdanny1 said: Since its release every single player uses the Colby .45 AP as its secondary and there is no reason to ever pick a different secondary. It can be used as a main weapon to dominate over other CQC weapons. It has a TTK of 0.8 seconds and most high level player can easily hit those 5 shots within a second. Not to forget it's very accurate at medium range as well. You are no longer vulnerable from close range if you are using a long range weapon or explosive weapon, so as long as the Colby .45 AP is your secondary because you can still relatively easily dominate over shotguns and oca's rushing your bum. I would love to see other secondary weapon being used such as the Obeya FBW, Oca Nano, Showstopper or Joker RFP. In my opinion this weapon ruins the game in its current state. The only thing that needs to be done is to lower its damage slightly so that it becomes a 6 shot kill to match the TTK of the Obeya FBW (1 second). Why don't you make yourself harder to hit in cqc fight, stop using obvious strafe movements, make your movements harder to track so you can dodge it's aim for example strafe side ways while holding LMB using key movements a/d/aa/w/dd/a/w/dd/w/add/w/a/d. etc. If your losing to a 45 with an OCA you probably got outplayed. Sadly you miss those times when these secondary were meta like everyone use to use at one point NANO, FBW, Joker RFP and ACT44 GM. Players complain they were OP and was nerfed, players go to the next weapon, cycle repeats. bad players complain. Why can't you use the 45? if you mad at the weapon, it's best you uninstall this game and take a break from it as this game is already ruined. Play a real skill game like cs2 you can use a secondary pistol and still kill players with primary weapons. very rewarding. Edited Sunday at 12:54 PM by Deadliest 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skaterdanny1 27 Posted Sunday at 12:57 PM 4 minutes ago, Deadliest said: Sadly you miss those times when these secondary were meta like everyone use to use at one point NANO, FBW, Joker RFP and ACT44 GM. Players complain they were OP and was nerfed, players go to the next weapon, cycle repeats. bad players complain. They were not nerfed? You be rambling non sense. Indeed you are reiterating my point, it were good times when there was a wide range of secondaries that everyone was using instead of just this single one weapon the Colby .45 AP. 6 minutes ago, Deadliest said: Why can't you use the 45? if you mad at the weapon, it's best you uninstall this game and take a break from it as this game is already ruined. Who said I wasn't using it? I literally said in my post EVERYONE was using it, including me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deadliest 392 Posted Sunday at 01:21 PM (edited) 31 minutes ago, skaterdanny1 said: They were not nerfed? You be rambling non sense. Indeed you are reiterating my point, it were good times when there was a wide range of secondaries that everyone was using instead of just this single one weapon the Colby .45 AP. Who said I wasn't using it? I literally said in my post EVERYONE was using it, including me. The guns were cooked back then oca nano was laser beam when it first got debut, joker RPF you can sprint, shoot with perfect accuracy and was long range. ACT44 was like a sniper at long range. Glad you equip the 45 so it's fair right? gun rewards players with good aim. you miss your dead. can't aim I recommend you use RFA-9 run out of mag and still can't get a kill. Uninstall nothing wrong in quitting this garbo game current state. You can wait till things get good again. Like what's the point in nerfing the 45 just to be a FBW? 6 shot to kill? like someone said here everyone is going to equip the FROG as secondary as meta and guess what everyone is going to complain that weapon next. Edited Sunday at 01:29 PM by Deadliest 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skaterdanny1 27 Posted Sunday at 01:41 PM 17 minutes ago, Deadliest said: Uninstall nothing wrong in quitting this garbo game current state. You can wait till things get good again. I'm pointing out a flaw in the game and your response is that I should quit the game instead of bringing up some valid arguments that could improve the game? It's clear that you have no interest in having a healthy discussion, please refrain from further commenting in this thread. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ardita 155 Posted Sunday at 02:47 PM On 4/8/2025 at 4:38 PM, sweetLemonade said: To you and everyone who shares your sentiment: when are you finally going to get better at the game? The .45 isn't the problem this game has. When almost everyone uses the .45 tag and switch to main weapon (and not uses other secondaries) it's probably not just a question about players practice getting better, but something wrong in general with the .45. The people who don't see any problem with it might obviously being those who uses this combo. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yapopal 195 Posted Sunday at 03:34 PM My concern is that the administration doesn't pay attention to this for too long. It was the same a year ago with the anti-cheat. There is also a situation with obvious problems related to third-party configurations and high FPS. LO does not see the problem where it clearly exists and does not hear the community. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5385 Posted Sunday at 06:44 PM (edited) For anyone saying the .45 is broken, post a montage of you owning with it. I say this because most people are basing their opinions on dying to the gun, not using it. I still say you are losing to better players. It’s not the gun or you would just equip it yourself. Edited Sunday at 06:44 PM by CookiePuss 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilyRain 693 Posted Sunday at 07:08 PM On 4/12/2025 at 9:58 PM, skaterdanny1 said: You are completely missing the point. You almost never hit ALL of your OCA shots when spraying due to spread/bloom, whereas it's extremely common to hit all your 5 shots from the .45 AP. Let's say you hit ALL of your shots. Under this very unlikely but ideal scenario the .45 AP 0.8s TTK is 100ms off the OCA's 0.7s TTK which proves my entire point. No secondary should be even near the TTK of primary CQC weapons. The more likely scenario is that you miss a shot or two from your OCA, making it on par or even worse than the .45 AP. Compare this to the legendary secondary weapon OCA Nano, which has a 1.05s TTK. This weapon is a lot better balanced for a secondary weapon as it's clearly outmatched by the primary weapon OCA. Big mistake.. The only point here is that you have no clue to what you are blabbing about, trying to deceive the masses on something you clearly did not research. Here, I'll make their accuracies when running crystal so there won't be any further lies: OCA-EW 626 'Whisper' PR2: (Accuracy Radius at 10m: 34 cm) x (Run Modifier with RS3: 0.99) = 33.66 cm at 10 meters. Colby .45 AP: (Accuracy Radius at 10m: 20 cm) x (Run Modifier: 1.5) = 30 cm at 10 meters. Percentage difference: |33.66−30|[(33.66+30)2]×100=|33.66−30|[(33.66+30)2]×100 =|3.66|[63.662]×100=|3.66|[63.662]×100 =3.6631.83×100=3.6631.83×100 =0.114986×100=0.114986×100 =11.4986% difference So congratu-fucking-lations, you're making a 10% difference seem like 70% just to try and persuade LO into a nerf. Perhaps.... GET IN YOUR OPTIMUM RANGE. It is baffling to even think that in APB out of all games, it is somehow difficult to close the gap with all the car-gameplay/wall_hugging that clearly dominates the game. ----------------------- Yeah, yeah, let us add another weapon to the pool of 'too far to compete'. You yourself said that you wanted to see other secondaries BE USED MORE. You're contradicting yourself. You don't even know what you want nor the implications. You're just moving back and forth on a reactive nerf agenda just because better players screwed you over with Colby .45. Don't kid yourself, the same players would've killed you with weapons that can literally neutralize faster than Colby .45. Either way, you will achieve nothing from this. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skaterdanny1 27 Posted Sunday at 09:56 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, LilyRain said: Big mistake.. The only point here is that you have no clue to what you are blabbing about, trying to deceive the masses on something you clearly did not research. Here, I'll make their accuracies when running crystal so there won't be any further lies: OCA-EW 626 'Whisper' PR2: (Accuracy Radius at 10m: 34 cm) x (Run Modifier with RS3: 0.99) = 33.66 cm at 10 meters. Colby .45 AP: (Accuracy Radius at 10m: 20 cm) x (Run Modifier: 1.5) = 30 cm at 10 meters. Percentage difference: |33.66−30|[(33.66+30)2]×100=|33.66−30|[(33.66+30)2]×100 =|3.66|[63.662]×100=|3.66|[63.662]×100 =3.6631.83×100=3.6631.83×100 =0.114986×100=0.114986×100 =11.4986% difference So congratu-fucking-lations, you're making a 10% difference seem like 70% just to try and persuade LO into a nerf. Perhaps.... GET IN YOUR OPTIMUM RANGE. It is baffling to even think that in APB out of all games, it is somehow difficult to close the gap with all the car-gameplay/wall_hugging that clearly dominates the game. ----------------------- Yeah, yeah, let us add another weapon to the pool of 'too far to compete'. You yourself said that you wanted to see other secondaries BE USED MORE. You're contradicting yourself. You don't even know what you want nor the implications. You're just moving back and forth on a reactive nerf agenda just because better players screwed you over with Colby .45. Don't kid yourself, the same players would've killed you with weapons that can literally neutralize faster than Colby .45. Either way, you will achieve nothing from this. You forgot to calculate bloom. I encourage you to go ingame, stand 10meters from the wall and shoot with OCA whisper and Colby .45 AP, you will see that OCA bullets fly everywhere and .45 AP are almost dead accurate. And that is without spraying. If you spray, which obviously you are doing with the OCA, bloom and recoil will make you miss shots. Your numbers mean nothing buddy, it's not translated to gameplay at all. Edited Sunday at 10:23 PM by skaterdanny1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koenyboy500 56 Posted Monday at 01:35 AM 6 hours ago, CookiePuss said: For anyone saying the .45 is broken, post a montage of you owning with it. I say this because most people are basing their opinions on dying to the gun, not using it. I still say you are losing to better players. It’s not the gun or you would just equip it yourself. You know what. Next time I play APB:R and use the 'fuck you' gun. I will hit that record button. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilyRain 693 Posted Monday at 01:39 AM (edited) 3 hours ago, skaterdanny1 said: You forgot to calculate bloom. I encourage you to go ingame, stand 10meters from the wall and shoot with OCA whisper and Colby .45 AP, you will see that OCA bullets fly everywhere and .45 AP are almost dead accurate. And that is without spraying. If you spray, which obviously you are doing with the OCA, bloom and recoil will make you miss shots. Your numbers mean nothing buddy, it's not translated to gameplay at all. Another massive mistake. Standing is not the same is running and gunning. You won't be typically "standing" in a real match. You'll be running, that's why it is called RUN MODIFIER. Your basic example doesn't factor in that Colby .45 has a x1.5 modifier from that example while 'Whisper' with RS3 actually improves by x1.01. "What means nothing" is the accuracy of a weapon in close range when it SIMPLY kills slower. Use your head please. Thanks for your input but I encourage you to learn the game before you remotely think you are qualified to make balance suggestions. Edited Monday at 01:50 AM by LilyRain 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koenyboy500 56 Posted Monday at 08:38 AM 6 hours ago, LilyRain said: Another massive mistake. Standing is not the same is running and gunning. You won't be typically "standing" in a real match. You'll be running, that's why it is called RUN MODIFIER. Your basic example doesn't factor in that Colby .45 has a x1.5 modifier from that example while 'Whisper' with RS3 actually improves by x1.01. "What means nothing" is the accuracy of a weapon in close range when it SIMPLY kills slower. Use your head please. Thanks for your input but I encourage you to learn the game before you remotely think you are qualified to make balance suggestions. Dude stop making a fool out of yourself man. Play the game 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deadliest 392 Posted Monday at 11:26 AM (edited) 22 hours ago, skaterdanny1 said: I'm pointing out a flaw in the game and your response is that I should quit the game instead of bringing up some valid arguments that could improve the game? It's clear that you have no interest in having a healthy discussion, please refrain from further commenting in this thread. it's obviously you got personal hate towards the 45. type your displeasure all you want about the gun and how you get owned by it In CQC, this is what you experience in your gameplay, not for most of us. I've seen others use different variety of secondaries btw. I disagree on you and you don't like it. No player I know has argue this gun needs a nerf, most of them would complain about missing their shots or being unlucky, when ever they mention about the 45. This is an example from what I found from exoticz clip. he was punish for missing and died 100%. nothing OP? https://www.twitch.tv/exoticz/clip/BadPlayfulAlbatross4Head-zM8cUwyJUohcOYct Bring up some real flaws that break the game like spawns and unbalance missions stages etc. One gun nerf doesn't fix the game dude, nor it will make everyone play different variety of secondaries. Edited Monday at 12:20 PM by Deadliest 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilyRain 693 Posted Monday at 11:36 AM 2 hours ago, koenyboy500 said: Dude stop making a fool out of yourself man. Play the game You're automatically a fool for thinking nerfing .45 is the way forward. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yapopal 195 Posted Monday at 01:37 PM Why all this crap and masterly calculations of characteristics? The problem is not the characteristics of the gun. The problem is with the game. The game does not adequately provide information to the attacked player. Changing the size of the magazine or the power of the bullets will not lead to anything. The players will take the hands of the FBI or Frog. And everything will continue further. New topics about the FBI nerf or Frog will appear on the forum. The gun is not the problem. The problem is the fools who decided that this game (which was originally created as an RPG) would make a COMPETITIVE FUCKING SHOOTER! I just can't track the movements of the player using this gun. He moves from side to side almost teleporting, without inertia. I hear 1, 2, maximum 3 shots before I die. Never 5 shots. It 's annoying . The players using this gun are very skilled, there is no doubt. But it doesn't have to be that way. The character shouldn't move like that, it looks like a scam, speed hack, teleporter, whatever you want to call it. This game will become a competitive shooter when it can provide equal conditions for all players. She is very far from that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koenyboy500 56 Posted Monday at 09:12 PM 9 hours ago, Deadliest said: This is an example from what I found from exoticz clip. he was punish for missing and died 100%. nothing OP? https://www.twitch.tv/exoticz/clip/BadPlayfulAlbatross4Head-zM8cUwyJUohcOYct That's like saying that the Strife is OP becaues it could technicly 2-shot. Let alone the N-FAS wiith its TTK of all things. Yeah he missed, of course he lost. But when people don't. There ain't much chance. (And trust me, those Fight Club people who play every day rarely miss) (also as a sidenote dang what quality setting is that xD it looks so yikes) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ysaline 27 Posted yesterday at 09:45 AM I think its pretty obvious, why is this even a discussion? If you compare "secondary" Colby .45 AP to primary weapons, then its pretty obvious somebody made mistake. Having a 225 dmg at 35m range with 0.8 TTK with low recovery rate is pretty ridiculous. Its even better stats then Joker Carbine People saying that good players would switch to FBW ignoring the fact that FBW usually dont beat up primary weapons unless you clearly messed up. I would suggest the same solution as the R-2 'Harbinger' has, you can keep the dmg, range, etc. but it should have a decent kick to it. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilyRain 693 Posted yesterday at 01:08 PM As far as the 'opinion' of 'Secondaries shouldn't be as strong as Primaries' is concerned. Even if we agree to that (which I don't), Colby .45 is NOT the most busted secondary weapon in the game. I'm afraid that argument is blown out of the water. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ysaline 27 Posted 20 hours ago 4 hours ago, LilyRain said: As far as the 'opinion' of 'Secondaries shouldn't be as strong as Primaries' is concerned. Even if we agree to that (which I don't), Colby .45 is NOT the most busted secondary weapon in the game. I'm afraid that argument is blown out of the water. Will you collaborate on your claim? Whats the most busted secondary in your opinion? Because as far as i know most guns have big downsides to them, or rather, they can compete OR outgun primaries only at certain ranges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koenyboy500 56 Posted 16 hours ago You have all these people complaining about a singular gun: The Colby .45 AP People call it Overpowered. They're not comparing its power to other secondaries as in 'this is equal'. SURELY something has to be going on. Or do you people think that every single one of us who are complaining are some sort of cult? Goddangit people if many members of the forums take a claim to something, in thise case: Colby .45AP is too strong, then SURELY there is a reason for it. But y'all just mad and angry 'cause that would neglect my investments of either Jokertickets or G1C'. Get real. There is a problem. We ain't typing for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilyRain 693 Posted 9 hours ago 10 hours ago, Ysaline said: Will you collaborate on your claim? Whats the most busted secondary in your opinion? Because as far as i know most guns have big downsides to them, or rather, they can compete OR outgun primaries only at certain ranges. Thank you for asking genuine questions. I don't function with opinions, I only care about objective facts. Opinions have no real place where facts are already established. To name a couple, factually, you should know that FR0G 'Kokoe' PR1 & N-FA 9 "Quickdraw" PR1 are unquestionably far more objectively useful in a serious disgusting-loadout vs standard Colby .45. Those that can't tell why should keep their 'opinions' in their pockets. Both are available PERMANENTLY in the Joker Store for roughly the same price as Colby .45, which a free-2-play player can get by... simply existing. And the logic of 'Secondaries shouldn't compete with Primaries' is outright nonsensical. Else, let us have N-HVR kill faster than every secondary in the game, just because 'it is a primary weapon'. Like, no, that's just not the way. 7 hours ago, koenyboy500 said: You have all these people complaining about a singular gun: The Colby .45 AP People call it Overpowered. They're not comparing its power to other secondaries as in 'this is equal'. SURELY something has to be going on. Or do you people think that every single one of us who are complaining are some sort of cult? Goddangit people if many members of the forums take a claim to something, in thise case: Colby .45AP is too strong, then SURELY there is a reason for it. But y'all just mad and angry 'cause that would neglect my investments of either Jokertickets or G1C'. Get real. There is a problem. We ain't typing for fun. What "investment", 3000 Joker Tickets? lol.. The problem is that the "complaints" about .45 being "OP" are simply... false. lol like... if the weapon was out of line, we would've spoken about it before you, thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites