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Y'know, Katchwi, for someone who advocates for "freedom of debating", you sure aren't interested in actually having an open debate. If you were, you wouldn't outright say to another participant of a discussion (in this case, Matt Scott himself) that you don't care about their stance on the subject. [also, the fact that this silly comic that responds to XKCD manages to repeat the flaws in logic that XKCD pointed out in the first place is an entirely different issue (see: "invited to speak and then told you can't" conveniently ignores the existence of Terms of Service and other forms of contracts; it also pretends that "consequences of speech" such as companies/groups/hosts refusing to be associated with a speaker and denouncing them is somehow censorship)]

I'm kind of on edge on the mobile shield part (mostly because of the horrible issues with hitboxes these things would probably have, especially with the egg and the skull since they're more spherical objects. That being said, the rest honestly doesn't sound too bad. Could definitely add a tiny bit of seasonal flavor to the game. I'd be fine with that happening - but not now. For now, I just hope LO manages to release the Engine Upgrade on PC and address the many concerns about the game.

I think Ketog had already made a thread on this subject once, proposing the bars in item info panels to be replaced with numbers for clarity. It would definitely save some players a trip or two to APB database sites.

Personally I can't think of any different implementation of that idea than recolouring ammo boxes to look like presents. What would you propose for, let's say, the Mobile Shield? Or the Epinephrine Injector?

Wanna party up for the raid boss of this thread? I'm running a Keyboard Warrior build at the moment, we need to synergize :^)

What's the endgame of this thread? And is the raid boss any difficult?

How many shrooms does one even have to be tripping on to spout this kind of overly pompous, paranoid nonsense? Like, dude, get yourself employed as a writer or something - your posts wouldn't look too out of place in a cheesy "teenage hero fighting the system"-type story.

As far as I'm aware, the next season will be happening some time next year - so no more contests for the rest of 2018.

If anything, the system by which players receive the reward is flawed at best. I've had someone win round N, then the same person won round N+1 in which I finished in second place. I pointed out that the player had already won and the prick had the nerve to write in /d "better luck next time :)". Not gonna lie, I feel cheated out of the prize because of that. I'm still thankful for LO organising this little event, since even despite its shortcoming it's still a lot more than what G1 had "given" us over the last couple of years, however I have to say that there are some big flaws regarding the event. For starters, the rewards should be distributed to the first available person who meets the condition (if #1 has the skin already, give the skin to #2; if #1 and #2 have the skin already, give the skin to #3 and so on) - this incentivizes further gameplay and makes sure that everyone has a shot at winning the grand prize.

Apparently "strange times" constitute moderators enforcing forum rules. Huh. I don't know about y'all, but for me, the cutest part about this thread is OP's critical misunderstanding of what the First Amendment is and where/when it applies. But I suppose it's more entertaining to play the "victim" of "persecution" for speaking the "truth".

Realistically speaking though, what is this thread trying to achieve (other than proving to the forums that the OP can come up with unique-ish pompous rallying cries for an undisclosed cause every day for a year)?

Two pages later and I'm still wondering how would one go about getting such a sturdy soapbox.

"you say things I disagree with, therefore you're a troll". Ad personam. "I am so totally beyond this! I don't care about your opinion! and to show how much I don't care, I'll care enough about my image to throw in a petty insult at the end". All things considered, it was a pleasant altercation. Now hopefully the thread can return to its usual form.

So the best thing you can do is nitpick the choice of words. Gotcha, duly noted. "Clearly the only reason he is disagreeing with me is because he is a tryhard who just wants to win every match". Try again. I know, right? It's also intriguing how you used the exact same ad personam bullshoot twice, accusing me of being unable to drive in APB! Ad personam again. Try to avoid doing that in the future if you want to claim any moral higher ground. The meta exists whether you like it or not. The choice of equipment is up to every player, but these are the meta options for a reason - versatility. Pot calling the kettle black much? Yes. The word "somehow" involves scenarios influenced by other players' actions. It's not that hard of a concept to comprehend, though if you wish to argue semantics again, be my guest. You do seem to have an affinity for it. "I know better what I meant AND what you meant". Also, cute ad personam at the end there. That's how many times in one post again? Wow! It's almost as if the speed at which both vehicles are moving (i.e. equal or different) is not a factor in physical confrontations of cars and bikes! /s Pot calling the kettle black again. And the cycle of pettiness of both of us trying to have the last word continues... :] Unless you wanna break the cycle and just drop it here. Be my guest - I'm only responding because you are.

Getting into semantics, huh? The issue is still that the upsides of motorbikes are offset in quantity by their downsides. The cars already do most things the bikes do, but better. And hypothetical situations. Sure, let's play that too. Not all cars have cargo capacity - and this is why the meta consists of Pioneer, Espacio, Vegas 4x4 (and slightly less so Jericho and Bishada). If I need cargo capacity or a mobile wall, I can switch to a Pioneer. If I need speed, I can switch to a Vegas. And I could switch to a bike... if I wanted to get spun out and killed by any car at all that rams into me? Plus, civilian vehicles do not offer any modification capabilities. And the lack of a Mobile Spawn Point or a Mobile Radar Tower really starts to hurt the longer you're in the mission. Honestly thought I could have a civil conversation here, but oh well - apparently any kind of disagreement with someone else on this forum is interpreted as a direct attack that also requires an ad personam response. Sure, two can play that game. This point in particular had nothing to do with one's driving skills. It's a fact that motorcycles are lighter and less durable than cars. Getting hit by a car while you're on a bike will either toss you off, make you lose control, or outright smash you to pieces. Except the claim was substantiated. Their low healthpool, small physical size and practically nonexistant cargo capacity make them only good for player transportation and no other role. You would have known that if you had actually read my post in its entirety and considered my stance instead of trying to pick for things you could misconstrue. Though this part wasn't aimed towards me, I still want to add something here. Currently, the highest top speed in APB is limited by the engine (see: the fastest car, Vegas G20, is only so fast that it lets the map load in as it moves), which means that if motorcycles were to be added in the current state of things, they would still be on par with the high-end cars, speed-wise. If the Engine Upgrade will allow for higher top speeds, then perhaps motorcycles would be a fun little experiment. The worst that could happen is that they end up not being used by anyone due to their shortcomings.

I honestly appreciate your argumentation, however there are some things I still disagree about - the most egregious one being the purpose of motorbikes. Even taking into consideration the positive aspects of motorbikes (navigation of spaces such as doorways and car blockers in front of stairs, high acceleration), I frankly can't imagine them as anything but obsolete when compared to cars. With many missions in the game forcing you to carry items to your base, picking a vehicle with absolutely no cargo capacity is an active detriment to your entire team's efforts. Arguably you could work around it with Creme De La Crime's items by letting them be held in one hand (although even that would be an active risk to the driver, seeing as one hand less is controlling the bike), what about Chemical Warfare, where the final item is a Sarin-filled barrel? If anything, your team will hate you for not having a useful vehicle for that situation. Not to mention that you'd be pretty much exposing yourself to almost instant death if you somehow end up hitting a wall head-first or fall off at a high speed. And getting forced into this kind of an altercation by, for example, enemy cars pushing you around and making you spin out, isn't hard. You could argue that APB doesn't need to be realistic because there's already a bunch of unrealistic game mechanics in the game, but I think that there are some things and "rules" that should be kept natural and realistic, to avoid subversion of expectations. Motorbikes' only purpose in the metagame would be getting from point A to point B at any cost and regardless of risks taken to get there. They don't exactly fit anywhere and don't belong as anything other than a thought experiment, a "what if this was a thing" hypothetical situation. I would absolutely love to see more new content (the Showstopper was a good start), but this just ain't it. We really don't need motorbikes.

I'd rather not leave any room for doubt.

Also, to drive the point home, I've actually talked to a friend of mine (who's an avid Warframe fan with ~1500 hours in the game) about the validity of the statement about hoverboards in Warframe. You literally couldn't have been any further away from the truth. The community's requests for vehicles - not just hoverboards, but any vehicles at all - date back to the first Developer Streams. The first mentions of such requests appeared on Devstream #3 (proof); the streams happen every two weeks and right now they're on Devstream #118. According to Rebecca, DE's community manager/producer, Devstream #1 happened in November of 2012. The game itself left Closed Beta in March 25th, 2013. You do the math. Additionally, hoverboards (or K-Drives) aren't the first vehicles to be added to Warframe, being preceded by Archwings (enabling 6DoF gameplay in space and underwater areas) and Dargyns (flying skiffs in the Plains of Eidolon open-world area). Claiming that Digital Extremes have instantaneously jumped to creating the Fortuna update with the intent of introducing hoverboards, and a whole new open-world location to use them in, is a straight up lie. Please at least TRY to find something that isn't easily debunked next time you'll try to trashtalk Little Orbit for perceived underperformance.

Fortuna was not developed with the sole intent of giving the players access to a hoverboard mechanic. It's a part of it, but not the cornerstone. Motorcycles do not fit in the flow of APB. I myself am guilty of having supported the idea of adding motorcycles in the past, but upon further consideration I can't say I agree anymore. Choosing a motorcycle as a personal vehicle would put the player at a disadvantage. You give yourself a vehicle that's essentially too short to provide cover, has too little health to withstand any real damage, causes you to be exposed to gunfire (like you were on foot) except you cannot shoot back, cannot carry any baggage (and I imagine it could not work as a mobile spawner)... so why even have it as an option? False equivalency of the "weight" of features, try again.

A rose by any other name [...] Still nope. You cherrypicked the part that, when taken out of context, can be considered mistaken. Try again. This one will do without a quote; Sorry, but you'll have to try harder than just saying "no it doesn't count because i say so" to disprove my stance. ???what I'm sure there is a timeline in which this statement makes sense in context of my previous post. This one ain't it, though. You literally omitted a part to misconstrue my statement, then when I called you out on it, you're saying that I omitted something? Black-and-white morality much? Yeah, you clearly would never resort to "such slimey tactics", which is why in your first interaction with me you insulted me and tried to undermine my position by implying that I "lack reading comprehension". That's rich coming from someone who can't bring any argumentation that goes further than saying "no it doesn't count". But sure, if you want to pretend that you hold any sort of moral higher ground here, be my guest. We could do with less defense of the use of Nazi symbolics nowadays. virtual five bucks says he'll reply anyway despite going "i wont talk to u anymore until the arbitrary point where i decide that i care >:("

First off, that reeks of gatekeeping and the no-true-Scotsman fallacy. Secondly, exactly what about the "outlaw motorcycle club" culture requires its participants to flaunt insignia loaded with bigoted messaging? Is it about believing in your own freedom or about being all "look how many races and minorities I hate!"? I'm unironically grateful for the part after the second "clearly" in this quote. Still does not absolve anything before that in my eyes though. If your beliefs require you to use hateful symbolism, perhaps you should reevaluate your priorities. And the point still stands that you've been in violation of the Terms of Service for seven years and the only reason that went unnoticed is because no one bothered to look closer at your character's clothes and report it.

Source? Because I seriously doubt Antifa ellected you to speak on its behalf, so I'm not willing to just swallow your opinion as truth here either. :^) Nice false equivalency with the Nazi comparison there, by the way. Wow, it's almost as if activism wasn't limited to just peaceful protests, and it often extended into questionable tactics! Also, good job on trying to suggest that I'm advocating for their actions. (Which, let's be clear and put this on record, I'm not. Violence doesn't solve anything.)

Ooh, someone wants to defend neonazi symbolics! Perhaps through people's decisions to deliberately use symbols loaded to the brim with hateful messaging behind them, hm? I'd give you the benefit of the doubt if our pal kurbstomp88 here was "just going for a themed character", but their actions and opinions expressed in this thread cast heavy doubt upon that notion. Feel free to amuse me by trying to claim that 88 is not a hate symbol. (click) I wonder what will you resort to here. Bingo sheet suggests you'll try to undermine ADL's authority, but hey, even those are wrong sometimes I like how you've conveniently left out the part where I literally mention that the situation changes when the Black Panther Party and the New Black Panther Party are the focus. Next time, please try not to manipulate other people's posts when they're visible to everyone. Or just don't manipulate the intended message, 'cause that's kind of a shitty thing to do. That is relevant, because it explains the reason why those symbols are stigmatised. Unfortunately for you, just because you misunderstand the argument, it does not make it invalid. @first line: ...are you seriously trying to get me to explain an axiom to you? You don't have to be German to understand that it's a dark chapter in the country's history. All it takes is a history lesson or two in that field. @second line: That's yet another instance of you conveniently omitting the part that, if included, would render your point as moot. Notice this and try to do less of this in the future. @first line: ...yes, that is what I've been saying before. The intent of the symbol's use loads it with meaning. @second line: ...so showing others that you're "badass" by invoking Nazi symbolism. Huh.

Okay, so why does "your culture" require Nazi symbolism to be expressed? ...that's mostly because yes, that is literally the case. Black Lives Matter is a group united behind an expression of protest towards the mistreatment, abuse, hatred and violence aimed at the African-American populace of the United States. Antifa is, as the name suggests, a form of opposition towards fascist groups ("anti-fascism"), except their methods involve direct confrontation instead of political opposition. (This does not mean that I support all of their endeavours; violence is never the solution, no matter which side of any conflict is responsible.) The Confederate flag was used by the side of the American Civil War which advocated for their "God-given right" to take away the liberty of black people and use them as slaves. Choosing to defend the erasure of the Confederate flag in public context is a stupid hill to die on. However, I entirely agree that it's a bad idea to try to completely erase it instead of, for example, including it in history books as a reminder of which symbol was used by advocates/supporters of those notions.

The line is drawn at displaying non-virtual hatred towards other races. Kind of like "88" in some contexts can be associated with Hitler (H being the 8th letter in the alphabet, the chant "Heil Hitler" consisting of two words starting with the letter H etc.). Presuming innocence of the numbers in conjunction with the term "curbstomp" is either gullibility or malevolence. Kunta Kinte is a character supposed to depict the fate shared by a large number of slaves taken from Africa - loss of freedom, fighting for oneself, remaining by one's values despite facing opposition etc. Black Panther - the superhero movie - deals with (and discusses) issues of identity and isolationism, both of them being directly tied to the issue of racism while not actually displaying racist values. It's one thing to talk about racism, it's another to actually express it. It's not that hard of an idea to comprehend. The only case where there's something wrong with "a Black Panther character" is if it concerns the Black Panther Party and/or the New Black Panther Party, both arguably being hate groups. Ah yes, calling those who take offense to your stunts "weak". That'll surely work. You entirely deserve getting banned for this kind of symbolism, especially considering this has been going on for seven years - a time when the ruling was still in place. Perhaps you do not comprehend why people take issue to symbols like the double lightning bolt referencing the Schutzstaffel (SS). It's a symbol that is literally associated with Nazi Germany - a regime responsible for literally the deadliest conflict in human history, with over 60 million people dead as a result of the Second World War. It is a black mark on the history of Germany, which even that country itself would rather forget and never allow such inhumane times to happen again. It's cute how you went for the "i'll just mirror the swastika and it's a peace symbol" approach, by the way. The Nazi Party literally started using it to try to force the association of good luck and auspiciousness with the Aryan race, which they perceived to be superior to every other race. As time went on, this created a social stigma, because the Western world after the world remembered the absolutely heinous shit the Nazis have done under that symbol. Yeah. So why do you insist on using racist symbolism if you're clearly against it? If the "biker culture" cannot exist without displaying symbols with racist/hateful meanings, then let it fucking die.