Darkzero3802 627 Posted April 19 On 4/16/2025 at 1:58 PM, vsb said: you’ve never hit 85% percent accuracy in your entire apb history bro, just say you want the gun dumpstered because it makes you mad anyone whining for a ttk nerf without any buffs in exchange just straight up doesn’t understand balance Thats what happens after 2 shoulder surgeries, one of them being rotator cuff. I am by no means in my hayday and my arm isnt as steady as it used to be. I have to live with that both in game and irl, but I know for a fact that if you have an aimbot aka 100% accuracy the gun is very broken. A gun shouldnt have a 95% use rate in a game. That means there is nothing else that can compete. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darkzero3802 627 Posted April 19 On 4/17/2025 at 3:09 AM, LilyRain said: That is something to be grateful about. At least there is a chance vs a Cheater using .45. What will you do if Cheaters decide to aimbot and speed-teleport with OCA, JG, CSG, N-TEC, SHAW, Euryale, Carbine, N-FA 9, etc...? Ive seen that and seen it with a .45. It all goes back to why @MattScott and LO refuse to actually try to fix the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vsb 6191 Posted April 19 5 hours ago, Darkzero3802 said: Thats what happens after 2 shoulder surgeries, one of them being rotator cuff. I am by no means in my hayday and my arm isnt as steady as it used to be. I have to live with that both in game and irl, but I know for a fact that if you have an aimbot aka 100% accuracy the gun is very broken. A gun shouldnt have a 95% use rate in a game. That means there is nothing else that can compete. news flash - every gun is broken with an aimbot, that’s why it’s cheating tanking a gun because of cheaters is the absolute dumbest way to go about balancing 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noob_Guardian 420 Posted Tuesday at 03:35 PM On 4/17/2025 at 3:21 AM, LilyRain said: Fr0g's slightly extra damage over 200 helps it reach 15 meters than a flat 12m. A great deal in exchange for 3 additional bullets, giving fr0g the ability to kill 2 players before the need to reload. People seem to always neglect that .45 can kill only 1 player at a time. A major weakness in APB, the game where going solo is purposefully made a death sentence. 'Not good enough to face a Cheater using a 0.8s ttk weapon on your own? No problem. Just rush the Cheater because health-Cheats do not exist. He factually can't kill 2 people at once with .45. He WILL DIE like anyone else'. ------------------- Having extra damage is like having more computer memory. It is of no benefit unless to cross a new milestone threshold. In the case of secondaries, we can't freely equip mods like Heavy Barrel to transform any extra damage into useable benefit. The extra damage .45 does compared to Fr0g (225 vs 210) is enough to bypass Kevlar ONE, which realistically nobody equips. This further solidifies the qualities Fr0g has over 45. huh they must have buffed it by 10 damage. It used to be -exactly- 200. thank god. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noob_Guardian 420 Posted Tuesday at 03:36 PM On 4/18/2025 at 4:31 AM, Ardita said: @LilyRain :trollface: I miss the trollface emotes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darkzero3802 627 Posted 23 hours ago On 4/19/2025 at 5:55 PM, vsb said: news flash - every gun is broken with an aimbot, that’s why it’s cheating tanking a gun because of cheaters is the absolute dumbest way to go about balancing News flash. Some are more broken then others, mainly ones that are op or broken to begin with. For example, whats more broken at range? A scout or an HVR? The point here is that the .45 is broken normally and shouldnt be so powerful. 95% equip rate is beyond a symbol of meta, its a sign that no other secondary can compete and they arent worth anything. In a properly balanced world 50% equip rate is high with how many secondaries are out there. Another example. At CQB range in APB what is the gun of choice? a PMG or a shottie? A PMG will always be the gun of choice cause its also broken. APB gun balancing is beyond broken and the last few gun changes have done little to fix that. The .45 is in that broken tier and there are ways to abuse it. A nerf is needed to bring it down from broken status and to bring up other secondaries to make them viable otherwise why have them in the game at all? 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites