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On 6/7/2025 at 7:41 PM, koenyboy500 said:I'd say that the ARMAS Scoped NTEC-5 is incredibly underpowered.
While I do disagree, let's us pretend for a moment that is true.
I'd say that is a good thing. Armas should only sell cosmetics moving forward.
'Nuuu, it isn't Pay2Win'. Too bad new players won't give a damn to study the game. They see gameplay elements being sold on Armas, they'll leave. Game is already a graveyard as is, it should stop increasing gravestones. -
On 12/7/2024 at 1:49 PM, DedGaem said:Back in the day... your threat wasn't as easily lost, which removed some of the tryhardism.. and when very low players met with a rank 10 gold... they would get like 4 guys to help versus the rank 10 gold.
This is not true.
Back in the day, threat was decided by simply winning/losing. You got a badly designed mission with casual/newbie randoms? Your threat will go down. Nothing you can do other than restart the game. This is why Clans demanded Gold players so much.
Now, threat is score-based. You can stay Gold without winning a single match with the same casual/newbie randoms. Your individual score now matters. Clans are now nothing but an extended friend list. -
On 5/9/2025 at 11:49 PM, Yapopal said:The free anti-cheat begins to create a orgy. Matt bangs his head on the handle of the rake again.
Can't blame the man for a good time, free of charge.
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19 hours ago, vsb said:i give it a week before the complainers realize they’re still getting outplayed by the same players except with a fr0g instead, and the nerf campaign begins again
While GTA 6 got delayed till June of next year, I doubt the complainers will realize the basics before then let alone say something remotely correct about how balance should be.
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On 4/30/2025 at 7:31 PM, VanilleKeks said:The thread is not about "reviving" APB because it's a "dead" major title. I make fun of that silly title in the first sentence of the thread.
I was asking about the marketing strategy to get new players, which even for a small title like APB is a valid question.
Considering LO is actually updating the title. And I had this question answered properly.
This whole thing about APB being a "big title" only started because these goofballs came and derailed the thread with made up player numbers.
Once again, please read before responding.
Nice try.
You didn't even do the most basic of research. "Publish your news properly" in your opening post couldn't be any further from the truth. All you had to do was look at the latest AMA as well as the roadmap. Those contain LO's "strategies". Yes, they are underwhelming and insufficient but that is what you are looking for.
Again, your thread is pointless so you don't get to play the "please read" card. You didn't read yourself. -
10 hours ago, VanilleKeks said:That's not a self-contradiction because I am quoting someone else. Try reading the conversation before writing some stupid "gotcha" for worthless forum points.
Still a contradiction since your VERY thread is about "reviving" APB.
When you call for "not act like APB Reloaded was ever a major title that was killed or anything."... then why are you making a thread about reviving it? lol..
The only stupid thing here are your takes. Only someone who was living under a rock would even make such a pointless thread in the first place. -
On 4/9/2025 at 10:58 AM, VanilleKeks said:"I remember when I joined this game we had EU with populations of 20k on each two servers, two instances of NA for both East and West, equally filled to brim"
The game has never been beyond a 6k population peak in total on Steam and we did not get 20k per server from launcher users lol.
By all means G1 and LO have let the player-base decline but let's not act like APB Reloaded was ever a major title that was killed or anything.
The population was always abysmal for a free online title.
Self-contradiction right there.
Of course, APB was never FIFA or Call of Duty but going down from those numbers to the current PEAKS (sub 500 players on EU, sub 160 players on NA) most certainly counts as killing APB's playerbase. Even for those that didn't feel like playing, at the very least, socializing in Social was a thing to do all day. Now? If you're in social, you're literally wasting power. Better off attempt mining some crypto. YES, the game was killed to the point where Live Servers are currently the Open Test Servers. Anyone who says otherwise is simply not living in this timeline.
+Those peaks are factually half since many Players run around with multiple characters. So it is even worse.-
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11 hours ago, Pedroxin said:Yes I agree that the 45 is not well balanced as it has a 0.7 TTK according to APDB, in my humble opinion, secondaries should act as a backup or finisher type weapons. Most meta SMGs have the 0.7 TTK like the whisper. Aimbotters aside, if someone is proficient with the 45 there would be no need for them to ever run an SMG in terms of raw TTK. I don't think in a 1v1 situation a secondary should beat or compete with a primary weapon. The current state if it also results in minimal variety in terms of your options when it comes to pistols as other secondaries since they usually have a 1 second TTK. I would pretty much prefer the 45 be brought more in-line with other pistols.
Your opinion is based on a blatant lie. Not worth reading.-
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1 hour ago, Ysaline said:Since you're a child who deliberately ignore the response in this topic, I will spoon feed it to you who's the "most" I speak of.
skaterdanny1 - started this topic so it goes without saying.
koenyboy500 - you argue with constantly so there no need to quote.
ezmegaz68 - annoying meta secondary.
vsb - nerf is longer reload speed to punish mag dumping.
VanilleKeks - A reload speed nerf would definitely be justified. I would personally also make the ADS a bit less accurate.
greenfield - I will just say that i agree that .45 is OP.
PonuryZniwiarz - colby ap should be nerfed, its op everyone use it, its better than any other legendary.
EVInezca - The .45 gun need a nerf in ttk.
Ardita - When almost everyone uses the .45 tag and switch to main weapon, something wrong in general with the .45.
Darkzero3802 - make it 6 shots to kill instead of 5 and it would be fine.
Mitne - I main .45 and while I love design of irl. Colt M1911 I still think it's ridiculous that bought gun is the best in game as secondary.
Let's see here, 11 people.
According to you, 11 comments represent 170 NA players + 420 EU players + God knows the # of those watching the game till it gets better by some sort of a miracle.
And since you mentioned vsb, he also says: "anyone whining for a ttk nerf without any buffs in exchange just straight up doesn’t understand balance". This is a direct response to your cries about 'Secondaries should be inferior to Primaries, unconditionally'. So that 11 goes down to 10 at the very minimum.
It is very apparent who is the "child" here.. You bluffed against factual stats from APBDB, FAILED and still continue to argue against what is set in stone... So you resort to an even more useless, petty level. Nice try, you failed again.
Have fun learning to click better than an average .45 user. Best of luck.-
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53 minutes ago, Ysaline said:In other words, be glad the .45 is busted so we have something to defend ourselves from cheaters.
From what I've seen in this topic, you're very clear on defending it no matter what. And that's okay, but don't pretend you're doing it because of "logic" while you clearly invested emotionally.
Most people who loves the gun had to agree with the points we made, not everything but some of it.
Some say the TTK is too short or the dmg is too strong, I say its recoil isn't punishing enough. If it worked like R-2, it would have been perfect.- No. Be glad the better players are fans of the Colby .45 because you will have no chance against them otherwise. This naturally includes Cheaters as well.
- Again, I care about facts as proven prior. Emotions and opinions have no place in an objective discussion.
- There were no "most", speak for yourself.
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'I was proven wrong so I'll claim to stop responding, proceed to further respond and play victim'.
Believe what you will, let's see how many believe you.
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On 4/16/2025 at 7:09 PM, Darkzero3802 said:Any cheater with a bot and macro can easily take you out with a 45 before you can kill them with a shottie or OCA. The gun is primary powerful and thats why 95% of the remaining playerbase uses it.
That is something to be grateful about. At least there is a chance vs a Cheater using .45.
What will you do if Cheaters decide to aimbot and speed-teleport with OCA, JG, CSG, N-TEC, SHAW, Euryale, Carbine, N-FA 9, etc...?Merged.
On 4/17/2025 at 2:42 AM, Noob_Guardian said:I mean, fr0g is still less damage, it just has more shots. It's not much "stronger", it was a personal favorite of mine in comparison to .45, but honestly .45 secures kills easier imo, just because the damage is slightly higher than -exactly- 200 for the range (and the accuracy).
To be fair, cheaters at this point have automated NTEC to be full auto and never miss, without a second thought simply using macros. They've removed all sniper and vertical recoil on weapons, and the majority of horizontal. The .45 is simply reliable and easy enough to use that even if someone is cheating, a vet can still possibly have a leg up in certain situations.
Fr0g's slightly extra damage over 200 helps it reach 15 meters than a flat 12m. A great deal in exchange for 3 additional bullets, giving fr0g the ability to kill 2 players before the need to reload. People seem to always neglect that .45 can kill only 1 player at a time. A major weakness in APB, the game where going solo is purposefully made a death sentence.
'Not good enough to face a Cheater using a 0.8s ttk weapon on your own? No problem. Just rush the Cheater because health-Cheats do not exist. He factually can't kill 2 people at once with .45. He WILL DIE like anyone else'.
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Having extra damage is like having more computer memory. It is of no benefit unless to cross a new milestone threshold. In the case of secondaries, we can't freely equip mods like Heavy Barrel to transform any extra damage into useable benefit.
The extra damage .45 does compared to Fr0g (225 vs 210) is enough to bypass Kevlar ONE, which realistically nobody equips. This further solidifies the qualities Fr0g has over 45.Merged.
On 4/16/2025 at 11:33 PM, koenyboy500 said:A'ight. I'm gonna be the better man and just straight up not respond to some specific invididuals here who are CLEARLY ragebaiting and trolling.
Let's make APB:R enjoyable once more. Bit by bit. An endless fight, but I am willing to fight for it.
Correct mindset.
Problem is you're fighting on the wrong side. You'd actually make APB less enjoyable like those before you also thought they were in the right.-
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If only those special districts have the waterfront northern section unpatched, so we get to phase out and drive on water again.
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On 4/16/2025 at 11:38 AM, koenyboy500 said:We? Who the fuck is we?
WE are complaining about a weapon and I am starting to think that it is actually the majority of the people here.So you can crown yourself king with your opinion all you want and call people bad or whatever, but don't call over 50% of the pop people with 'false claims'
Don't look up (the movie)- kind of pleb you are.
You must be talking to yourself because that is literally that.
Speak for yourself. As small as the playerbase is, it is in the hundreds while you and your gang can be counted on one hand, 2 max.
You're done.Merged.
On 4/16/2025 at 8:41 AM, Ysaline said:FR0G 'Kokoe' has 12m range, dont know if you realised but thats actually really close. Up to 12m, there are comparable or better options.
You should "realize" that 12m is factually 15m for max effective damage (200 HP per shot), more than enough for that powerhouse.
Learn how to read "Range Damage Dropoff".
On 4/16/2025 at 8:41 AM, Ysaline said:N-FA 9 it has 30m range but also 70 dmg and crazy spread, you wont kill anyone pass 10m on one spray. Its s a hug weapon.
Hugging is the only scenario where some secondaries actually beats up some primary weapons but because of the poor range, i never had any problems with it.Sounds perfect. Hug with the secondary, swap to primary for extended range (and factually FASTER ttk than the somehow problematic 0.8s to an extent).
They complement perfectly. No issues here whatsoever.On 4/16/2025 at 8:41 AM, Ysaline said:'Secondaries shouldn't compete with Primaries' is a true statement, let me tell you why
"let us have N-HVR kill faster than every secondary in the game" - false, not every, but the equal equivalent
Take a deep breath and think about it for a minute. What gun N-HVR compete againts? Closest you can get is Colby RSA and you would never beat N-HVR with RSA unless N-HVR clearly messed up his second shot.
Its not an opinion, its a fact.Oh, is that a fact?
RSA kills in 1.6s, N-HVR kills in 1.75s. So no, it is not a fact. RSA does indeed win, every single time.
PLUS, thanks to LO, N-HVR won't deal full damage without actually being in marksmanship aim (right mouse click), because they wanted to kill 'quickswitching'. So even in the extreme crazy close-mid range scenario that shouldn't happen, RSA can still run and gun while N-HVR has to sit like a turret.
RSA only loses to N-HVR if the Player is dumb enough to try and play outside its effective range.
Didn't even have to think about this one.On 4/16/2025 at 8:41 AM, Ysaline said:as ive stated before, you can keep the .45
buff it even, give it 10 shots, i dont mindThat is.... the point of the Fr0g...
A stronger .45 WITH 10 shots rather than 7 but with some range cut off... You just proved my point. I literally mentioned the weapon BY NAME and you still didn't get it.On 4/16/2025 at 8:41 AM, Ysaline said:but give it R-2 'Harbinger' treatment. R-2 'Harbinger' which has even bigger dmg, longer range but also its difficult to use.
.45 description: The Colby .45 AP is an old warhorse of a gun - it was the gun that the FBW was based on and, like its younger brother, has great killing potential and is very powerful even to medium ranges. Unlike its sibling it doesn't have any of the modern comforts - it kicks like a mule and the larger caliber necessitates a smaller magazine.
my question is: wheres the "kicks like a mule" feature? In comparson, R-2 'Harbinger' kicks like what?I fear people will complain that it is harder to use while .45 is as basic as FBW.
The reason why people want .45 nerfed is because both the Veterans and Cheaters have taken a liking to it. That 'difficulty' is nothing to Cheaters. They can cancel out all forms of compensation and simply automate maximum lethality.
And weapon descriptions mean nothing. Especially in the case of N-HVR, they didn't even update that one.-
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12 hours ago, DedGaem said:1. We can't create a perfect solution at this stage of deterioration.
2. Our playerbase is ridiculously too small even for appropriate matchmaking... if they start a banwave, the game for all intents and purposes won't exist.. and being F2P these guys will come roaring back ragehacking because they lost their accounts and farm back all the joker ticket legendaries they used to own.
3. Hack sites haven't had to worry about detections since Little Orbit took control. I doubt the APB hacker population is substantial enough to warrant the cost investment of having to continually update the cheats they make and sell. Moreover, the POINT of a functional anticheat is to DETECT.. if it fails at this, it is useless and a better anticheat should be used.
4. Temp kicks will serve the function of forcing cheaters to tone down their rage hacking. I'm being honest here... APB has ALWAYS had cheaters. But, when they KNEW they could be banned they played "sort of" within the rules... aka closet. After G1 went on intensive ban sprees.. literally banning THOUSANDS of accounts... the game never recovered. LO bought the game and promised an unbanwave which was, at the time, extremely popular because there WERE false detections, false bans... and THOUSANDS of unhappy people.. sadly most left the game permanently... LO's failed promises were the icing on the sad cake.
5. The point of Temp Kicks is to keep the game at a "reasonably fair" manageable level. You can beat a closet cheater, sometimes, with skill. No one can beat a rage cheater who's ballstothewalls. When a lot of players are hardcore cheating without bothering to hide... because there's no detection, no report, and no penalty... it severely compromises the exiting playerbase and we lose MORE people. Temp Kicks are a REMINDER that rage cheating won't be tolerated... and this is to PRESERVE the game's existence. There are a few players who are... for lack of a better term... psychopathic. They play to DESTROY everyone else's enjoyment using full bore rage cheats.. even when matched against new and clueless bronzes. These few guys make full gold teams quit out midmatch.. and are responsible for a huge drop in the playerbase. Because... why play... when there's no chance at all and you're just being repeatedly farmed like a fool?
They don't care what you do to them, because a stock gun can perform miracles while rage-hacking... they can lose their accounts again and again and just make new ones... but... if there are tempkicks on detection which have an immediate consequence... to PLAY they will be forced to tone down their excessive, blatant, playerbase eradication mode playstyle. If they somehow BYPASS detection... there are few enough of them that cumulative reports should be looked into by GMs who can then SEE the blatant rage hacking IF THEY BOTHER TO LOG IN AND SPECTATE SAID RAGE CHEATERS.. They can then fine tune settings to kick those guys. If BANS actually worked... it would be a thing... but in the age of F2P and VPN... it doesn't.
Temporary kicks on detection would act like a SPEED BUMP in the road to derail the reckless SPEEDERS racing too fast and derailing the game... who make loyal players quit playing.You are basically Little Orbit in a parallel timeline.
Yes, perfect solutions are simply not achievable. That does NOT mean it is okay to move to a worse place. It is not a motivation/reason/excuse.What do you think the latest attempts with SARD and prior to it, the open-source-for-developers Easy Anti Cheat were? Exactly that... they were attempts to 'detect' Cheaters.
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My friend, LO CAN'T DETECT. They ended up false banning so naturally they'll end up false kicking as well.
Cheaters will figure out how to bypass ban/kick Triggers within only 1-2 hours after whatever LO comes up with goes live, period. So ultimately, you'll only piss off actual players by getting them kicked.You won't affect any Cheater with this.
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10 hours ago, Ysaline said:Will you collaborate on your claim?
Whats the most busted secondary in your opinion?
Because as far as i know most guns have big downsides to them, or rather, they can compete OR outgun primaries only at certain ranges.Thank you for asking genuine questions.
I don't function with opinions, I only care about objective facts. Opinions have no real place where facts are already established.
To name a couple, factually, you should know that FR0G 'Kokoe' PR1 & N-FA 9 "Quickdraw" PR1 are unquestionably far more objectively useful in a serious disgusting-loadout vs standard Colby .45. Those that can't tell why should keep their 'opinions' in their pockets. Both are available PERMANENTLY in the Joker Store for roughly the same price as Colby .45, which a free-2-play player can get by... simply existing.
And the logic of 'Secondaries shouldn't compete with Primaries' is outright nonsensical. Else, let us have N-HVR kill faster than every secondary in the game, just because 'it is a primary weapon'. Like, no, that's just not the way.
7 hours ago, koenyboy500 said:You have all these people complaining about a singular gun: The Colby .45 AP
People call it Overpowered.They're not comparing its power to other secondaries as in 'this is equal'.
SURELY something has to be going on. Or do you people think that every single one of us who are complaining are some sort of cult?
Goddangit people if many members of the forums take a claim to something, in thise case: Colby .45AP is too strong, then SURELY there is a reason for it. But y'all just mad and angry 'cause that would neglect my investments of either Jokertickets or G1C'.Get real. There is a problem. We ain't typing for fun.
What "investment", 3000 Joker Tickets? lol..
The problem is that the "complaints" about .45 being "OP" are simply... false.
lol like... if the weapon was out of line, we would've spoken about it before you, thanks.-
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As far as the 'opinion' of 'Secondaries shouldn't be as strong as Primaries' is concerned. Even if we agree to that (which I don't), Colby .45 is NOT the most busted secondary weapon in the game. I'm afraid that argument is blown out of the water.
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1 hour ago, DedGaem said:The SOLUTION is TEMPORARY KICKS on detection.
That has its own downsides as well.
Cheaters will get kicked. Then, they will keep trying till they know how to effectively not trigger the anti-cheat.
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2 hours ago, koenyboy500 said:Dude stop making a fool out of yourself man.
Play the game
You're automatically a fool for thinking nerfing .45 is the way forward.
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3 hours ago, skaterdanny1 said:You forgot to calculate bloom.
I encourage you to go ingame, stand 10meters from the wall and shoot with OCA whisper and Colby .45 AP, you will see that OCA bullets fly everywhere and .45 AP are almost dead accurate. And that is without spraying. If you spray, which obviously you are doing with the OCA, bloom and recoil will make you miss shots.
Your numbers mean nothing buddy, it's not translated to gameplay at all.
Another massive mistake.
Standing is not the same is running and gunning. You won't be typically "standing" in a real match. You'll be running, that's why it is called RUN MODIFIER. Your basic example doesn't factor in that Colby .45 has a x1.5 modifier from that example while 'Whisper' with RS3 actually improves by x1.01."What means nothing" is the accuracy of a weapon in close range when it SIMPLY kills slower. Use your head please.
Thanks for your input but I encourage you to learn the game before you remotely think you are qualified to make balance suggestions.
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On 4/12/2025 at 9:58 PM, skaterdanny1 said:You are completely missing the point. You almost never hit ALL of your OCA shots when spraying due to spread/bloom, whereas it's extremely common to hit all your 5 shots from the .45 AP.
Let's say you hit ALL of your shots. Under this very unlikely but ideal scenario the .45 AP 0.8s TTK is 100ms off the OCA's 0.7s TTK which proves my entire point. No secondary should be even near the TTK of primary CQC weapons.
The more likely scenario is that you miss a shot or two from your OCA, making it on par or even worse than the .45 AP.
Compare this to the legendary secondary weapon OCA Nano, which has a 1.05s TTK. This weapon is a lot better balanced for a secondary weapon as it's clearly outmatched by the primary weapon OCA.
Big mistake..
The only point here is that you have no clue to what you are blabbing about, trying to deceive the masses on something you clearly did not research.
Here, I'll make their accuracies when running crystal so there won't be any further lies:OCA-EW 626 'Whisper' PR2: (Accuracy Radius at 10m: 34 cm) x (Run Modifier with RS3: 0.99) = 33.66 cm at 10 meters.
Colby .45 AP: (Accuracy Radius at 10m: 20 cm) x (Run Modifier: 1.5) = 30 cm at 10 meters.
Percentage difference:|33.66−30|[(33.66+30)2]×100=|33.66−30|[(33.66+30)2]×100
=|3.66|[63.662]×100=|3.66|[63.662]×100
=3.6631.83×100=3.6631.83×100
=0.114986×100=0.114986×100
=11.4986% difference
So congratu-fucking-lations, you're making a 10% difference seem like 70% just to try and persuade LO into a nerf. Perhaps.... GET IN YOUR OPTIMUM RANGE. It is baffling to even think that in APB out of all games, it is somehow difficult to close the gap with all the car-gameplay/wall_hugging that clearly dominates the game.
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Yeah, yeah, let us add another weapon to the pool of 'too far to compete'. You yourself said that you wanted to see other secondaries BE USED MORE. You're contradicting yourself. You don't even know what you want nor the implications. You're just moving back and forth on a reactive nerf agenda just because better players screwed you over with Colby .45.
Don't kid yourself, the same players would've killed you with weapons that can literally neutralize faster than Colby .45. Either way, you will achieve nothing from this.-
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On 4/8/2025 at 5:15 PM, skaterdanny1 said:Since its release every single player uses the Colby .45 AP as its secondary and there is no reason to ever pick a different secondary.
It can be used as a main weapon to dominate over other CQC weapons. It has a TTK of 0.8 seconds and most high level player can easily hit those 5 shots within a second. Not to forget it's very accurate at medium range as well.
You are no longer vulnerable from close range if you are using a long range weapon or explosive weapon, so as long as the Colby .45 AP is your secondary because you can still relatively easily dominate over shotguns and oca's rushing your bum. I would love to see other secondary weapon being used such as the Obeya FBW, Oca Nano, Showstopper or Joker RFP.
In my opinion this weapon ruins the game in its current state. The only thing that needs to be done is to lower its damage slightly so that it becomes a 6 shot kill to match the TTK of the Obeya FBW (1 second).
OCA (0.7 s ttk) and JG (0.67 s ttk) "easily" lose to a 0.8+s ttk weapon in close range..............?
Thanks for sharing but the only correct thing you have mentioned is that Colby .45 has a 0.8 ttk.-
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1 hour ago, EngRamx said:i think the only thing want to be fix is the anti cheat
,, have a good day
Sadly, one cannot post video proof in here, but an entire group took the concept of "Cheat Points" quite passionately, LOL!
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On 3/13/2025 at 11:28 PM, koenyboy500 said:I'd rather see Clotting Agent reworked and the other green character mods being buffed so that we don't have everyone running around with the same skin, err I mean mods, and we can have some actual tactical variety in the games. And see expressions of people choosing specific skins that match their own taste. But hey look Colby .45AP let's give it to everyone. Great idea.
If the game promotes this style of 'play meta or be trash' than the game, any game, is killing itself. Skins are also like this but on a harmless scale.
Agreed
People seem to always forget that with how slow Little Orbit is, every seemingly 'small request' is a major time loss towards actually making the game better (if that's ever on thepriority listto-do list).
The Scoped NTEC-5 needs a change
in Social District (General Discussion)
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Mobility for Assault Rifles as a whole got massively suppressed over the years (running & gunning, jump shooting, etc).
With N-TEC, one must either be moving or still, can't do both. If you're planning on doing both simultaneously, you must be at kissing-distance, else you're sacrificing accuracy regardless 'and you should swap to a weapon that better suits the situation' (I don't fully agree with this but that's how the 'balancers' wanted the game to be, effectively making it so restrictive as of today to the point of imminent population death).
This by nature doesn't count as a point for Scoped N-TEC alone. This is a global balancing restriction that should be changed across the board.
Thanks
I must expand a bit because Armas sells more than 1 variant of Scoped N-TEC.
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My disagreement goes for Dvah and PR2:
Dvah: Offers THREE open mod slots, a complete dream for new players because it would take ages for them to unlock crimslayer/copsbane (3 open slot regular n-tec). Even 2 open slots ('Adeen') will take them decent time (1500 total kills) with the prolonged matchmaking, low population and needing to actually score kills on veterans and cheaters. For a newbie, 1500 kills is a dream.
PR2: Comes standard with both Hunting Sight 3 and Improved Rifling 3, pretty much set for life as far as N-TECs in general are concerned. The 3rd slot is just added competitiveness, something newbies won't even realize possible yet nor good enough to execute properly.
So ultimately, with Dvah and PR2, a new player is most certainly getting returns on what they are paying for. Lasting 'permanently' if they are also interested in not paying for N-TEC leases every 10 days.
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Sadly, the most 'scam' variant is the [Scoped NTEC-5 RT1].
The long reload time from Extended Mag 3: While virtually harmless (the weapon without it already has enough bullets to kill 5 opponents) is objectively a bad mod to have on this weapon. What makes it a scam however is that the weapon is doomed to never have Hunting Sight nor Red mods. This weapon simply should not exist on Armas for every reason.
And of course, the PR1. It is basically PR2 without Improved Rifling 3. An underwhelming purchase since it is doomed to have only 1 slot, strictly housing HS3 but it is still a short-term benefit for a newbie. HS3 entirely transforms Assault Rifles.
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Incentive...
This is pretty much the portion that I will never agree with and this is why I mentioned that Armas should become cosmetics exclusive.
Let us not forget what "incentives" did to OCA&PMG vs OCA 'Whisper' PR. Made APB even more close range centeric when it wasn't even needed, shamelessly to sell that nonsense. They didn't even hide it.... "it was important to ensure that this gun still had a special function that made it feel distinct from the base model" they said while REPEATING the OCA ttk-buff as a CORE STANDARD from 0.7s to 0.67s [Source: https://www.gamersfirst.com/apb/news/2020/9/11/weapon-balance]
The game got destroyed enough as is for way over a decade. Let us not give LO an excuse to make another guaranteed & exaggerated dumb-balance changes to continue repeating history for the millionth time.