Tigrix

There's a lot of poor PR moves by LO lately, mostly because they've only been getting a certain view from a certain person that has a lot of questionable friends. (Mods that got FF'ed?) But at this point they've chosen the direction for APB and who they listen to, so it's not even useful anymore pointing out that there should be a difference between "controversial picks" and downright picking dudes that've been banned multiple times and did their best to wreck the game before they suddenly did a 180" and now we all have to "shh shhh" leave them alone and not bring up their past, because LO forgave them on our part, unknowingly and uncaringly of how long and persistently some of those names was shi**ing on the game and players. Should have been a miniscule amount of investigation that it's not a false ban when someone was re-creating accounts many times, knowing it would take FF another few months to catch up with the analytics ban method. Oh no, here comes the down-vote army, but let's be real, these forums don't represent the active community and hasn't since years.

Do other weapons in APB get balanced around being "not as good as any other weapon of their class, but really good supports!" ? I mean..... what? do guns get balanced around being decent at farming.... assists? Weren't you saying the NTEC is the most balanced gun in APB? I don't think you'd ever lose a fight vs atac at your 40-50m range examples. So if the ATAC is better at close-up, isn't that exactly what it's supposed to be or do you just want it to suck everywhere?

Idk how there is the (on this forum) sudden wide conception that the word wh0re refers equally to men as to women, that imo seems a bit far fetched and in poor taste pretending it being so. I'm pretty sure, outside of this forum asking a 1000 random people what the word wh0re refers to, 99% would have answers that was very much gender specific, as the definitions too. In all the big dictionaries it firstly, aka line 1: refers to women of "ill morals". Thanks for having the stones to come out and make an official reply though (most game developers would avoid it), it's appreciated even if we clearly have a different opinion on inappropriate jokes. I absolutely love the gritty nature of APB, but to me there's a difference between story gameplay, npc-contact personalities/talk and then the studio adding in player titles of such phrases that they refer them as jokes. On-top of that, from a business standpoint, mature rating and all taken into consideration, I really don't see any upsides of adding such "agency choice" to players - not just for the false impression it can give some players about the usage of that word being totally fine cus' "you're in APB", but also to anyone promoting your game (including yourselves if you'll ever start doing it). Anyone just seeing clips from the game on YT or a screenshot, don't know your sense of humor or that it's "all just an easter joke". If I was playing Battlefield Vietnam and shooting viet congs and getting gritty responses from quest NPC's and blowing up tents with c4 ... yes, it's all part of the game, the story, the theme of the game. However if the developers of BF Vietnam tomorrow adds an easter event and give out players titles of crooked eyes killer whatever.... Again, I think there is (and should remain?) a clear difference in smack-talk from gameplay lore/story/npc characters and then giving the agency of such choice to your players as a joke. That being said, I'll simply end it on the note that I am very surprised, thanks for the reply.

ATAC is at best "decent" at mid range, but mostly it's wildly inaccurate at anything past 25 meters. It's hardly a cheese weapon as I barely see anyone using it and those who are, usually just try it out and switch back to their "real" primary. I guess the influx of JT has given a lot more people the option to try the ATAC, which is a good thing imo. It's definitely not overpowered, at best it's underwhelming when up against the meta guns.

Did you miss the part where it said vulgar and sexually explicit language? Seems you're good at doing exactly what you accuse others of:) Selectively nit-picking! I did answer you, go back and read the replies please. I said again; you're using examples of a curse word "fuck", while the topic revolves around NOT a curse word, but a derogatory insult. Widely understood to be an insult and widely understood to be specifically an insult towards women selling themselves for $$. The fact that you still refuse to acknowledge the difference of a curse word "fuck" and this... is just baffling at this point. Have fun being "out" of the debate, lets see how long

Firstly, its not a curse word. Fuck is a curse word or used-as a curse word. Wh0re is a description of **** do i need to link you again 3 different English dictionaries? Ok then, I hope it clears it up again for you, finally maybe this time? I told you this, like 7 posts back btw, goto page 1 and 2 and read my reply concerning your example of "fuck" and "gumball talking of sodomi". yw:)

(This also goes for @MACKxBOLAN) I can only refer you to actually read my response. The difference of in-game story from an M-rated game with contacts aka NPC's talking about each-other --- versus --- a company making jokes of very derogatory words that they already struggle with warning their community against using towards each-other. I explained it now a couple of times the difference:) I really can't help you make it any clearer. I do however think that a reasonable person can see the difference in whats gameplay/story and npcs talking and we'll see if Matt is/was aware of this title at all being added/released.

You don't understand the difference between derogatory words as wh0re and saying fuck off? What does sodomi discussing have to do with anything? You can discuss racism too, that doesn't have anything to do with the point of this topic? You're trying too hard to farm points among your buddies dude I explained precisely upper what's the difference and why I find that using such language as reward titles is going against everything they're trying to establish via their EULA update and in-game active GMs/moderation policy. Do you need me to copy paste it again? here you go, specially for you: Firstly, since LO took over APB, they've inherited the game "as-is", by all definitions and standards, that's the outcome of taking over an active project. All the mature stuff that is in APB, is taken as-is and personally as I already made clear with my reply to Kyoki, there's IMHO nothing wrong in tough language, aka "fuck" or "suck" or w/e examples. That's APB, that's the mature rating. I don't see anything derogatory insulting in the word "fuck". Anyway, LO inherited APB as-is and right away made a very clear point of wanting to ASAP update the eula to their "own standards" (if you dig among the first posts of LO, this was the primary first topics). All good so far yes? Aka, they've shown responsibility imo so far. They take a pride in the work they do and they understand that they're the ones in charge and being looked up to in a certain way for "whats okay and whats not okay". They made a big point of wanting to re-establish in-game moderation (active GM's partaking in chat and actually warning/moderating for TOS violations). All good so far yes? Ok, so LO imo so far has made good strides to try and turn this community around to a more positive and shall we say... functional one. I'm not saying they've done any miracles or anything, ofc not ... but they've definitely improved the community IMO, since they took over. (Yes LO, this is a compliment, i'm not just bashing you guys). In fact, my post about this specific derogatory word being randomly tossed into the game as a reward title, should show how much I've come to respect LO for their stances and their attempts at bettering the community via rules and moderation/GM's etc etc. It's IMO disappointing that they in this way joke with their own TOS, because it sends the wrong signal to people who look for excuses and greenlights to insult others with this type of derogatory language. I think Matt understands that and I really doubt he had a hand in this or was aware of it going out. I guess we will wait and see. Merged. Ah cmon mate, you understand that it'd be a mess to have such ambivalent rules lol. "Dude, i wanna report this pleasant fellow for violating the TOS, calling me sexual swear words as wh0re!" "oh shit ok, we will deal with it.... oh no wait, did you actually use the title we added in the game calling urself wh0re?" lol cmon. You are able to discuss this at a mature level, so I believe you are also able to understand why a game company should follow it's own policy and why you don't make exceptions where you have to explain "well the user actually in THIS specific case picked themselves the title of wh0re, so it's completely fine they were called as such..." Again, we'll see. I obviously don't believe that Matt was aware of this going out, but we will see and if i'm wrong then i'll be very surprised while wrong.

1 post, joined forum today. Jeesh, I appreciate your effort m8, now log back on your main

I am when using the context of IMO, unless you don't know what IMO is an abbreviation of. We already discussed the mature content of APB, what did you miss? go back and read the reply. Oh, but again - I've been saying THE WHOLE TIME that this is the determination of LO. They set the boundaries - it's THEIR eula we follow, hence they should be the shining example of it. See? This really proves how badly you miss-read my original post. My entire topic was about LO crossing the boundary when using such a term as a reward title in their game. LO should be an example of their own TOS, i've literally said it since the start of this thread, how did you manage to still miss it by now MartinPL? maybe your underlying passive-aggressive hunt for those sweet sweet acceptance points among your fellow buddies is clouding your ability to read objectively what's being replied to you. Luckily I do think that LO has more reason and rationale than the infamous segment of the community that frequents this forum the most. Ok, i'll go along with that. Firstly, since LO took over APB, they've inherited the game "as-is", by all definitions and standards, that's the outcome of taking over an active project. All the mature stuff that is in APB, is taken as-is and personally as I already made clear with my reply to Kyoki, there's IMHO nothing wrong in tough language, aka "fuck" or "suck" or w/e examples. That's APB, that's the mature rating. I don't see anything derogatory insulting in the word "fuck". Anyway, LO inherited APB as-is and right away made a very clear point of wanting to ASAP update the eula to their "own standards" (if you dig among the first posts of LO, this was the primary first topics). All good so far yes? Aka, they've shown responsibility imo so far. They take a pride in the work they do and they understand that they're the ones in charge and being looked up to in a certain way for "whats okay and whats not okay". They made a big point of wanting to re-establish in-game moderation (active GM's partaking in chat and actually warning/moderating for TOS violations). All good so far yes? Ok, so LO imo so far has made good strides to try and turn this community around to a more positive and shall we say... functional one. I'm not saying they've done any miracles or anything, ofc not ... but they've definitely improved the community IMO, since they took over. (Yes LO, this is a compliment, i'm not just bashing you guys). In fact, my post about this specific derogatory word being randomly tossed into the game as a reward title, should show how much I've come to respect LO for their stances and their attempts at bettering the community via rules and moderation/GM's etc etc. It's IMO disappointing that they in this way joke with their own TOS, because it sends the wrong signal to people who look for excuses and greenlights to insult others with this type of derogatory language. I think Matt understands that and I really doubt he had a hand in this or was aware of it going out. I guess we will wait and see.

Well I am when using the context of IMO, unless you don't know what IMO is an abbreviation of. Oh? list me where fuck is a derogatory term please. I saw lots of people using "fuck" in district and never heard or saw a GM hush them or say hey chill your language. It's a commonly used curse, but is it a derogatory insult? Oh, but again - I've been saying THE WHOLE TIME that this is the determination of LO. They set the boundaries. See? This really proves how badly you miss-read my original post. My entire topic was about LO crossing the boundary when using such a term as a reward title in their game. LO should be an example of their own TOS, i've literally said it since the start of this thread, how did you manage to still miss it by now MartinPL? And luckily I do think that LO has more reason and rationale than the infamous segment of the community that frequents this forum the absolute most.

Good argument, but this is the flaws; As a game developer (personal life also), IMO you're responsible (in most countries, even by law required to have a EULA) for setting the rules and boundaries of your community/game. Every game/community usually does that via a TOS that users have to agree to follow. When LO took over, one of the first things they did was run through the current TOS and update it and re-issue a Little Orbit rules of conduct/tos. That's not strange, that's expected. Each company have their own slight adjustments, but generally there's a broad understanding of whats okay and not okay, as these TOS's simply rely mostly on common sense and what you'd expect to behave as IRL. (luckily, most people can generally agree to whats common decency and whats not:o) Copy Pasta from LO's eula: 9.4 You shall not (and you agree to not) generate any User Generated Content, or use the Game in a way, that: (a) is defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, harmful, abusive, harassing, hateful, invasive of another's privacy, sexually explicit, or offensive (whether in relation to race, sex, religion or otherwise) or denigrating to anyone's reputation or general standing (whether or not actionable); UGC vs DGC.....Since this is developer generated content, they're IMO greenlighting the same type of vulgar language that they don't want their players to use. People can try clutter the subject with insults. Others can try to argue "well you don't HAVE to use it..." ...., but surely you can see that it's entirely besides the point. I also don't have to name my character XXXXXXgger and get banned for violating the TOS right... it's a self-choice. But when the company itself is using such language as content rewards in their game, then yeaaaaaaah, something seems very very awry. I refer to my previous statement. A game developer company should exemplify their own TOS before they ask that their players do.

Actually no, I read all of your long post. But as I replied... imo you missed the point. We're not arguing whether APB has mature this or that in it, Kyoki already pointed out before you that there's words as "fuck" and toe-sucking (which imo, neither those terms are listed as derogatory terms anyway?). This topic is whether or not a line has been crossed and imo LO is crossing a line when they're greenlighting a clear derogatory term as a reward title. It doesn't matter that you "choose to use it or not" ... you could say same for ALL titles then and literally add the word ... (i won't post it, but there are lots of racial and sexual swears out there, i'm sure I don't have to list them under the silly argument of "well duhhh, just don't use it".) I feel a game developer company should exemplify their own TOS before they ask that their players do.

Uhm, ALL titles are something we choose to wear or not wear.... THIS has nothing to do with the fact of a very derogatory word being greenlighted by LO as a reward. So titles have no limits by your logics then, and you find that a good argument, ok then I won't use racial examples, but by your logics I could as a developer and then say "well who cares, don't use it then".

You managed to miss the entire point of the subject. It's not that anyone forces you or me to use a title - it's the fact that using a known derogatory term as a reward is greenlighting that term as being perfectly acceptable. At the same time, you don't want your players actually using that term in any public/district chat. As I asked Solamente, i'll ask you too; How deep does that rabbit hole go then? where is the line drawn then if not by LO following their own TOS? Or are you arguing that the TOS doesn't mention swearing, racial, sexually etc etc as rules that we all are supposed to abide and accept?