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You should probably respond to things that are directed at you, rather than responding for other people. GamersFirst also posted "Evidence" of their work in the past as well. To which that they took too much time on, and eventually proved that they were incapable of delivering what they promised. You don't need to speak English specifically to have a understanding on words in general. Needing a dictionary in this conversation shows that you're requiring an aid to keep up. Probably best you give up. I've accepted responsibility for my actions this whole time. The fact that you are so impassioned to the point where you're blindly missing things in my posts really isn't my fault, or responsibility to help you see at this point. That's the flaw of cherry picking things, you leave out important details. I will not accept being made out to be something, that I am not. If you feel accused of something that you are innocent of, why are you so angry? If you think that I am plainly a liar, why do you feel the need to disprove what I am saying? Don't you think anyone who reads this thread is unable to determine whatever conclusion that they want? At this point you're literally rambling whatever immediately comes to a split seconds worth of thought. Take your time, read, and respond articulately. Staying firm in ones stance is a reflection of integrity, of which I will not degrade to suit your perceptions of me. Sorry not sorry. Lastly, explaining that being flimsy in your stance when it comes to overall issues, isn't a good foundation to say "OOOOooo See you support cheaters too!". Merged. Actually that is the point of that statement. Saying that you're aware of a ripple effect, and then disregarding it is reckless. No goal posts shifted. This isn't a game, this is a conversation about a game. In the general everyday use of the word slur, it is directly linked with hate speech. A common mistake, but that doesn't really change that I was simply pointing out that there should be no reason for you to be so impassioned at this point, unless you had atlernative motives beyond simply disliking a post. Being critical over a product in general requires a black and white viewpoint. Otherwise you'll never receive a refund or have the ability to open up negotiations for compensation for your trouble to begin with. You should try it, otherwise you're going to end up with less than quality products polluting your home.

Agreed. Players so be compensated for this trouble.

Actually you keep bringing it back up with a twisted version of what I said. You're directly implicating yourself with your own words at this point. Actions can indirectly benefit others. It's called a ripple effect. You don't have to be aware of what you're doing, or in direct line of support, to give others what they want. In this case, it's benefiting players who cheat. Common sense dictates that you're not taking in the full capacity of what I am saying. Therefore only reading what you want to see, and trying to make others see what it is you're essentially creating falsehoods over. I'm pretty aware of what words mean. There isn't a game at play, when it comes to the fundamental understanding of English, or most words in general. A slur is something akin to hate speech, an insinuation is a subtle implication of another subject matter relevant to the current topic. Common knowledge for most people who attend any Reading, English, or Literature classes since it such learning opportunities have been available in most schools across the world. As for your issues with the company, it's probably smarter to stay to one stance. Either you're for them, or you're firm in your belief that they are displaying incapable qualities of actually managing this game properly. It's not beneficial to you to flip flop on issues that could be changed faster with enough pressure placed on Little Orbit.

Again old news in an attempt to derail the thread and break the focus. Classic. So you believe words, and not actions alone? I don't think you're actually someone who plays this game anymore. At this point when if comes to the implication of me saying you support cheaters, you're only putting words where there are none. You're cherry picking context and again trying to create a narrative around just that alone. Ready for the implication you want: If you don't have any alternative motives, why are you trying so hard to defend yourself from something you're implicating yourself with context from my posts? I highlight your shortened attention span often, because you're not even reading posts. You're just looking for the most offending thing in them by cutting them down into smaller posts. And narrowing on those parts of the posts I make. Creating your own posts out of the context of my words. It's a move done out of desperation. You're literally doing everything except begging to god to be proven right. For example trying to redefine an insinuation into a slur, is a bold but obtuse show of how you're now just typing out vomit from the depths of your imagination. If you aren't a zealot, then what exactly do you feel they are not doing correctly in their business model? You have yet to actually say what it is that you dislike about their company. I think you closed your eyes and just started typing with this one.

At this point you're like a coloring book, anyone can read you. Adding definitions pulled off of google won't really change that. Merged. Actually, there is a need for evidence if you're going to say such things. That's called backing up your claims that Little Orbit has done certain things. Otherwise you're just making things up. The fact that they aren't actively monitoring their product besides the use of software that is being bypassed, means they are neglecting their game. They wouldn't outright admit to that, otherwise they'd lose the admiration of zealots like you. Again old news about someone that decided to attempt instigation over the subject at hand. I called them a clown, which is neither a slur or lewd comment. Again, I understand that you have a short attention span, so i'll type it out again. Your actions on this thread will only benefit people who cheat, it doesn't matter if you support them or not. Which I never actually implied that you support cheaters. But any rational person would suspect such at this point with how you're acting. It's as if you're not reading at all. And yes I did say my first post was harsh, but it was written in such a way that was to convey overall disgust for mismanagement and fear that this game will die long before an engine upgrade. I ended my first post with making mention that I value what this game has provided for me in the past.

Why are you bringing up old news? I didn't say that they weren't pretending there wasn't a problem, I am simply saying they are neglecting it. What's the best way to make it seem like they're combating the issue except by implementing faulty programs, without actively doing any manual bans what so ever. If they actually bothered to do so, they wouldn't be receiving such criticism from me or other players in the first place. Care to reference these posts where they've taken your side? If not you're really expelling abhorrent amounts of energy defending them. I mean I already know about their obtuse decision to reverse ban players, which was reopening the flood gates for trouble all over again. Where did my language become inflammatory? I've kept myself actually in a respectful tone towards you and anyone else in this debate. Especially while you make this extreme effort to discredit anything I say. So if you're inspired to have angry feelings towards me, that's of your own doing. If anything you're using the wrong words to describe what I am doing, which is designed to be incendiary in its own way. What personal insult did I say? Was it vulgar or lewd? I am sure if anyone cared to actually read the thread, they'd simply see this as another one of your falsehoods so you'd believe what you type out to be true.

I fixed your post so that it reflected the truth, and now a skewed perception of it.

But they are fact, and you're persistence to deny fact is evidence that you want to argue just because.

You should take a listen to them. You're literally exhausting with how much you're simply disagreeing "Just because". You seem to have a pattern of doing that on the forums. There is no false equivalency. You're simply grasping at straws out of pride.

Yet they still are very present in the current state of this game. So they must be taking the least amount of action possible, of which you are complicit with.

If you do care, then why are you bothering to dismantle genuine concerns? You seem to be very complicated in discerning what your actions actually cause. [youtube] [/youtube]

You honestly don't need to type it out, to see how your actions reflect how you feel on the matter. You may not have directly said that, but you don't care that it is a problem also. I never reported anyone for going N5. I said that it's a strong indication for someone to go N5 constantly, that there is potential for them to be a script kiddie. Don't pay attention to him, he's just background noise that attempting to bypass being on ignore.

People disagreeing with the factual evidence that the problem is there, is a obstacle. Attempting to poorly create your own narrative over my own, which in turn would benefit anyone who actually cheats in this game. No matter how many times you pull apart my posts to attempt to twist the context. You're really just acting out in overall denial at this point.

This is unfortunately true. But it's the only solution to keep a learning curve available for newer players, even with the population as low as it is.

They have yet to actually say anything directly to me by name in these forums. Now you're starting to make up fiction to suit your own needs in this conversation, to justify anything you say. I never outright said that Little Orbit supports cheating in their game, if that was my opinion I wouldn't bother with this game or created this thread to begin with. If they are working on this core problem of the game, they could take more aggressive action to it. Otherwise they're sitting by while servers are barely populated with 100 players shrink down more and more. And the fast rate of such shows. And simply substituted your hostility for amusement to save yourself from having a stroke. The fact that you openly admit to trying to "laugh at me" for my posts, are just a direct indication that you're not taking your own actions seriously enough and is a reflection of your maturity. That tells me you're actually not fully aware of what you're even doing here. So you think gun balancing takes presidency over the company providing your balancing being under cyber attack constantly? Interesting how you think that I am falling victim to a made up delusion. Because if that was the case, I share it with quite a few other players. Some new, and some long time veterans of this game. That's quite a strange case, don't you think? I wonder how that makes a false allegation. When many have claimed to have first hand experience with encountering hackers in this game. Also in case you missed it, I revealed the truth about having witnessed what these programs have the ability in doing. So there's also that knowledge in my pocket. Lastly, when you invest money in or outright purchase a product. The customer has every right to be critical over the manufacturer for providing something with a major core problem. Otherwise many companies would not allow suggestions to be given to them in the first place. They wouldn't have a need for the SPCT, or employees to add to its perfection. That reveals a lack of care for the quality in which you receive things. If you did expect more from such things, I can tell you would be a bit happier and confident for speaking your mind.

A major issue with the game are the people cheating, and being left unchecked by the staff who assumed responsibility to act as the authority to punish them. So at this point you're really just again, indirectly aiding the people who cheat in this game by doing what you are doing. If you truly didn't care for these threads, you'd leave them be and let them run their course. If Little Orbit wanted to acknowledge them, they will. But you're acting as an obstacle, because? And please say something other than "lacking constructive input". Because if that's you're only response then you are using ad nauseam to respond to what you have dismissed as such. Which actually is the only thing that lacks any form of constructive input towards applying pressure towards a solution. Merged. A representative has yet to come onto this thread and label me as a bother. That is just you, and if my stance bothers you. Then you clearly are frustrated in the fact that I stand my ground against being "hushed". I know the definition of the word. But do you know that if a group of people share the same concerns, that must actually mean that those concerns are valid. You're offended that I brought up Gamersfirst, well it's a fact that they were the predecessors to Little Orbit. Attempting to shame me for bringing up a fact, is the equivalent of picking up a pitchfork because you hate that your neighbor reads a book and has a better memory of you. If you've ever worked in a field where you have to deal with customers on a regular basis, then you would know that their time and money takes importance. Their concerns, take importance. So simply dismissing the fact that I have given money to this product, is dismissing a majorly important fact to the reasons as to why I have a right to be critical in the way that I am being now. That risks a companies reputation, and then in turn becomes a problem for their logistical development. What is shocking, is how the level of hostility seems to increase on the oppositions side to this. I have maintained a fairly even temperament, refrained from personally attacking in a insulting way, and pointed out flaws in what is being done in part of the "We've heard it before" crowd, the "WE KNOW" crowd, and the others who seem to think that adding in software that only provide the legitimate player only a day or two worth of play time, before cheaters start popping back up like cockroaches again.

Again, completely dismissive of the overall point of the thread, and the problem at hand. There is no confusion between the two, I can assure you that. The aggression that I have towards the neglect is well founded. The longer I wait for this upgrade, the more time and money is lost from my pocket because I am forced to go elsewhere with my business. And Little Orbit has not made any announcement that they plan on compensating customers for lost time. You seem to confuse the fact that your "Yeah yeah, we've heard it before" response is something that helpful. When really it just blocks progress or any unified front that would actually put pressure on Little Orbit to have an active solution until the engine upgrade comes. I didn't say that you were intentionally doing anything besides expressing your beaten down attitude regarding the subject, which in turn is sending out the message that cheating is okay. I probably should've made that more plain for you to understand better. It's a cause and effect., that sends the message out that you don't care about people cheating. If you're sick of these threads, and don't wish to add anything to them. Don't post, that's your choice here. If this was just my personal opinion, you wouldn't be frustrated with how many threads keep popping up from people who share that same opinion. That in itself is evidence that there is a problem that should be addressed.

Yes and lose a few days of premium.

No, what achieves nothing are adverse reaction to threads like these. Essentially dismissing the problem, treating others poorly, and enabling the problem to get worse in the long run. As much as you wish to have cognitive dissonance to the idea, you're sending a message out as a player that cheating is okay. That you're complicit in the fact that things are getting worse. It's not a flawed argument to point out that observation. Especially when it's plainly displayed, which is why it's easy to assume an alternative agenda besides just "We're on Little Orbits side, let them work slow". The slower they are, the more time people who cheat have to ruining this game. The more players who display adversity to these posts, from being tired of reading them or by having alternative motives. Makes the voice of the concerned customer that much more diminished. So even if you yourself are not cheating, you're contributing to the problem. What prevents solutions, are your actions here. Everyone is betting on the EU as if that's going to solve everything. It's a pretty grotesque and concerning display of blind faith regarding the matter.

So I had been playing for 4 hours, 7am to 11am. I had no disconnects until five minutes after 11am, then the lag hit as hard as when the game was being under a DDOS attack. Several players complained about lag in district chat, and I wouldn't be surprised if they also disconnected from the game. Yesterday the same things happened, and prior to this announcement it was just as bad. Someone really hates Little Orbit as much as they hated Gamersfirst.

Though it brings nothing new to the table, your actions really don't help matters. At all. In fact it perpetuates the idea that people are crazy for calling out the bull, and wanting change to happen. You're in other words saying that cheating in this game is okay. The fact that you are even posting this is a literal testament that you don't care that cheaters are ruining this game. So you're simply a part of the problem.

It's not like we're getting their actual identities. Though at the same time it's not hard to figure out who may actually be suspicious of cheating either with the population being as low as it has been on the servers. You only have two district options at this point besides social, a active solo GM could moderate this game with ease.

So far I have read the following things: 1. OP wants LO to avoid predatory practices that Gamersfirst had implemented a long time ago with the Joker Boxes. 2. People are arguing that paying a dollar for a Box isn't that bad, and there is no benefit to them. 3. People are making the OP sound more complicated than it is. I think it's noble to want to see Little Orbit do things differently, and remind players that F2P doesn't mean you have to buy joker boxes. But the fact that they've released new ones says that they're not actually considering doing so. And one cannot simply just pay for a one dollars worth of G1C, you actually have to pay a larger amount for buying the minimal amount of joker boxes. Even if you wanted a Box worth one dollar, you're going to be possibly paying four dollars or more. Which is a exploit in the system for Little Orbit to shamelessly make a profit one way or another. Psychological aspects of this being that they make a new shiny legendary weapon. That weapon dropping is set to a certain percentile, so you could get it in one box or in a hundred dollars worth of boxes, or up to two hundred dollars worth of boxes. I have some friends that couldn't get any legendary weapons that they wanted, no matter how much money they spent. Which made them cautious of actually buying anymore in the future, resulting in a incrementally diminished investment into the development in this game. Thank you for the thoughts ScLines.

Literally got kicked a few times after getting massive lag. I wasn't the only one according to district chat. Whatever is happening it feels like a tug of war between this new "countermeasure" and the people DDOSing the server.

It hasn't started yet, and with Jericho currently being DDOS'd again after "New countermeasures have been put in place", it might not happen.