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  2. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    Since topics are usually unresolved in a short amount of time, the same topics get brought up over and over. Since there are only so many words you can use to express the same topic time and time again no one wants to repeat the same words as that is "boring" and "old".

    So to keep the topic fresh even though its been repeated a number of times the complexity of  ideas plummets each time its brought up until it turns into straight out demands and/or ideas that aren't properly thought out.

     

    Its not hard to understand what is being said.

     

    And it actually happens on these forums.

    Its why the forums have gotten so boring and stale over time, very rarely is anyone consistent for an extended period of time.

     

    To be honest when big discussion threads were necro'd that was better because anyone looking in on the problem got the whole picture.

  4. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    21 hours ago, Awesum said:

    So in Summary:

    Riot Mode SHOULD NOT BE AN APB STYLE BATTLE ROYAL.

    It should be a new APB game mode for the other type of APB Players. The players who want to play large scale Cops vs Crims and rank their characters up

     

    Is APB BR not a new game mode for the other types of players? The players that want a BR?

    BR in APB is already a new game mode.

     

    Are players who want large scale cops vs crims the only "other" type of APB players? What about the people who want pve content?

    There are a number of "types" of APB players.


    Anarchy: District wide free for all.

    Fight club: 16v16 or 20v20.

     

    It seems like we already had/have what your definition of "other" apb players want.

    This doesnt seem like a well thought out idea.

     

    It just sounds like you want a domination game mode in financial.

    We already have a domination mode in asylum.

    Even baylan in the past has had it.

     

    What about any of this is "new" or "ideal"?

  5. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    19 minutes ago, introlapse said:

    Just a public reprimand so that they no longer make such mistakes. They understand this without me, but I had to do it.

    If they understand without you, you dont need to make a thread.

     

    If they understand without you, this is not a public reprimand, they already understand to make less mistakes.

     

    What is the point of this thread?

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  9. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    9 hours ago, Glaciers said:

    stop being so needlessly pedantic for like 3 seconds

    Being pedantic would be using a single sentence or phase to completely discredit what was said by either the person or others.

    If Saying "Gg ez squeez, etc" once, periodically or was the sole reason for quitting, i would have agreed with you. Arguing about these context points is how society actually draws the line between generic insults and harassment.

     

    Saying "im specifically disagreeing with the inclusion of generic - if distasteful - insults, trash talk, and general text-assholery as harassment while agreeing that things beyond that line (e.g. physically affecting gameplay or potentially breaking laws) are an issue that could be addressed, albeit not very effectively" Would have logically made more sense, instead of quoting a singular sentence/ phrase to further your argument.

     

    Even then in everyday society "insults, trash talk and general patootie holey CAN be harassment" See; work place harassment or sexual harassment. As one example. It doesn't have to be extreme to cross the line if it happens on a regular basis.  

  10. Posted

    12 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:
    13 hours ago, Kiida said:

     

    Fuck no.

     

     

    8 hours ago, CookiePuss said:

    Like any of us, PoF is welcome to share his ideas here as well as in the Game & Forum Suggestions subforum.

     

    I don't know if it would get read, but he can also send those suggestions directly to LO.

     

    If OP has specific ideas they want heard, they should probably post them instead of a suggestion so vague as to be useless.

     

    Or email them directly to MattScott.

  11. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    On 6/10/2019 at 1:31 PM, Goldtiger said:

    partly for the toxic people spamming something such as "gg ez" or "ROLLED AND SMOKED BOYS" or "GG IZIPIZI" or "GG trash OP"..

     

    On 6/10/2019 at 1:31 PM, Goldtiger said:

    And those people (with huge egos) who ragewhisper you for killing them in any way.

     

    5 hours ago, Glaciers said:

    ok thanks please stop bothering me now

    How bothered do you have to be to blatantly misrepresent someones argument.

  12. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    Title of thread: I see low-level players being harassed by skilled players

    Part of your response: Actual harassment like extensive griefing/teamkilling or death threats/slurs in chat is a separate matter

    Me: ???

    9 hours ago, Glaciers said:

    good thing that’s not who i quoted

    Except the person you quoted is talking about the same topic as the OP. "This is an issue" As in, "Harrassment" is an issue. Not "Gg ez pz squeez". You were already lumping in "mean words" and "harassment" as the same thing in your very first respone to the OP.

    22 hours ago, Glaciers said:

     i'd rather they focus on actual problems instead of mean words

    So i can see why you get mixed up.

     

    9 hours ago, Glaciers said:

    if i had to choose? yes i’d prefer to have toxic players that don’t justify and validate their toxicity by blaming others

    So instead of removing toxic people at the base level, you would rather remove the people that become toxic because of the toxic people? Even though you also need the some sort of justification to be toxic to others in the first place.

  13. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    1 hour ago, Glaciers said:

    honestly, i’d rather not have players who get upset over “‘gg ez’ or ‘ROLLED AND SMOKED BOYS’ or ‘GG IZIPIZI’ or ‘GG trash OP’” because in my anecdotal experience said players are usually just as toxic, the only difference is they tend to frame themselves as the victims - afking against “hackers”, teamkilling because “no one is helping”, whining about “op” weapons that they’ve never used and don’t understand,

     

    Is that what you qualify as "harassment"? I don't think that's what OP qualifies as harassment and there are players who go above and beyond those phrases in game on a regular basis towards pretty much anyone.

     

    If the players that get upset are just as toxic, are you saying you would rather have toxic people that dont get upset over people who do get upset and forget about reducing toxicity overall?

     

    OP hasnt really shown himself to relate to your anecdotal evidence so far, so maybe he has a case?

  16. Posted

    13 hours ago, Intake said:

    Just wanted to illustrate my point regarding detail - using both my characters - the above is without detail, and skin features, the lower has skin features, details, and makeup used to achieve a better effect.

     

    While I get that some people want to have a plastic-doll looking character (I don't know why), if you want to make one that looks realistic, detail is your friend.

     

    Also, how do we do spoilers on the new forum? (even if it's not new any more) :thinking:



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    Details like these are usually the best however there is almost no source material for this kind of customization.

     

    To answer your spoiler question though

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    Same as the old forums.

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  19. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    14 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    That's exactly what I mean. Think about it. You, as a legitimate player who has not cheated, are only experiencing or have experienced ONE side of the argument. You can only see the effects from ONE side.

    I however, have experienced both sides. I have been the affected, and I have been the one affecting others. I experienced both sides of the argument. This argument does not have equal grounds, unless you have experienced both sides then you do not know the overall affects. You cant understand the full extent of what is happening unless you've experienced the full extent of the argument. Simple enough?

    For the sake of the argument lets say i have experienced both sides and i still hold the same positions, because you still have to substantiate your opinions and claims

     

    Now can you translate what you've said into any of the questions i've laid out before? Im looking forward to seeing the differences between two people who have had the same experiences but came to different conclusions.

     

    14 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    Honestly, is that not the first rule of debating? You need to understand all the perspectives in order to debate anything properly, otherwise you bring nothing of value.

    Again, you only have one perspective so you fail to take into account WHERE exactly the harm is. Cheaters harm the community far more than the harm the industry. You could argue that harming the community harms the industry, and you'd be somewhat-right. But only to a small extent.

    The whole point of "debating" is having the most logically sound argument, its not always a competition of who can remember the most correct answers. It is possible to use good logical reasoning to reach a sound conclusion regardless of when you know the relevant information.

    When i ask you a question im questioning how sound your argument is. Im not asking you a question about something that is not understood.

     

    I was very clear differentiating where the harm can come from. You don't have to cheat to understand the difference between playing a game and gaming as a whole.

     

    No one is claiming that cheating is the biggest issue to plague the industry (lets be real some people are), however just because its not taking over 50% of the industry does not mean it causes an acceptable amount of damage.

     

    14 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    But then again, if everyone is so interested in what harm has come from cheaters financially, why not just ask the person who would know that information instead of whining and arguing on the forums about it with other people and then jumping out of the argument when you realize you have nothing to contribute except your opinion that has no informational basis?

    Because you're begging the question, you have already said that you know that your personal amount of harm dealt is minimal, and yet you will not substantiate as to how you would know this. Its YOUR claim that your time as a cheater had no effect or caused "minimal" damage (community or industry wise). When the cheating industry as a whole (your time included) has been documented to have a large effect on the gaming industry that means that everything (your time included again) adds up and you cant add up with 0's.

    Talk about not having an informational basis.

     

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  20. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    12 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    Any POTENTIAL (if any) damages I caused were extremely minimal in the grand scheme.

    How do you know this? What kind of data is accessible to you as a cheater to know how much damage you cause?

    12 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    Cheaters are visible in APB because theres less than 1000 players in the fucking game, meaning you have an exponentially higher chance of encountering here than say, Battlefield 4.

    It may be true to have a higher chance of encountering a cheater however that doesnt mean they are not visable in any other game.

     

    https://mashable.com/article/csgo-record-vac-bans/

    https://www.dexerto.com/apex-legends/how-many-apex-legends-cheaters-have-been-banned-so-far-436774

    https://www.kotaku.com.au/2019/03/cheat-makers-say-theyre-cleaning-up-in-apex-legends/

     

    12 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    Their time has extremely little value to begin with considering theyre using it on video games. This isn't their job, it isn't their livelihood. I wasnt impacting their lives or forcing them to do things that bring about a negative affect to their lives. 

    Another thing you don't explicitly know. You dont know how other people respond to cheating behavior because you cant see beyond their character. Gaming might not be peoples livelihoods, however people play games for entertainment in their free time. Do you think some people would be ok if their entertainment in their free time was interrupted by someone continually cheating?

     

    12 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    The whole rant of yours alone shows that you have zero grasp of the concept of industry and business. All this shit about the industry "growing old enough to consider cheating a crime". The game industry is over 40 years old already. Cheating is a crime in countries where cultural lack of education about cheating persists (see: China).

     

    What does the gaming industry being 40 years have to do with anything? Have we reached peak gaming industry? Has everything that can be done been done already?

     

    Cheating "persists" in every country. Does Korea lack cultrual education also?

    https://dotesports.com/overwatch/news/south-korean-law-to-punish-boosters-passes-in-the-national-assembly

    https://www.fraghero.com/korean-government-makes-cheating-videogames-actual-crime/

     

    12 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    Also, Cheat Developers != Cheat Users. Cheat Developers have a much more noticeable impact (obviously) than the user. Either learn how the fucking industry works or don't participate in the argument at all, as you have provided absolutely nothing of value.

    If there were no cheat users, cheat developers would be worthless.

     

    12 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    ILL REMIND YOU THAT I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT, YOU HAVE NOT.

    What does this mean?

    Are you saying you cant understand what harm cheat users cause unless you cheat yourself?

    Are you saying that you have knowledge about other people you can only know if you cheat?

     

    Based on what you've said so far, if individual cheaters caused almost no harm, then why ban them at all?

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  21. Posted

    13 hours ago, BXNNXD said:

    who knew we had so many accomplished psychologists within the apb community :^)

    Im not sure you need a psychological degree to know that usually people take actions based on their past experiences and sometimes future goals to make themselves happy or to reduce the most amount of harm done to them.

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  22. Posted

    10 hours ago, onionopinions said:

    Very true. Speaking of giving clean play incentives..

     

    One thing I never understood the mentality of, is shit talking ex cheaters for not being as good as they were with cheats. I personally can't grasp the concept of making fun of somebody that decided to stop ruining the game and started doing the right thing. Being incredibly toxic towards them for their choice to play clean is only going to encourage them to go back to their old ways. Yeah, it's their decision and entirely up to them, but making fun of someone for playing legit is pretty stupid and toxic if you ask me when we should be happy they are no longer a negative part of the game.

     

    Cheating mentality is not hard to understand, it might be hard to accept but its by no means a hyper complex state of mind.

    Its mostly a means to an end, and those being money or fame or recognition or respect either from others or themselves.

  23. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    1 hour ago, YakuzaStyle said:

    Common sense. If that player was good at all to begin with, they wouldn't have downloaded them in the first place. Cheating isn't a choice, it's a mentality, one of a person who can't beat others without getting an advantage, and at the same time can't take losing.

     

    When a cheater gets banned, he only learns how to avoid getting caught, and doesn't learn how to stop cheating. He just figures out ways to not be so blatant, that way he can't be detected as easily. That's why I said that they don't stop and only turn down their settings. Some cheaters will adjust their cheat to play above average, so they aren't as blatant to the human eye. While some cheaters will play mediocre against you the whole game, then cheat "in the clutch" because they know if they don't, they'll lose, which is easy to spot. Just because a cheater says he's not cheating, doesn't mean he isn't. Fact is, he could be cheating only when he needs to to look "legit".

     

    Unfortunately, there's a lot of dumb people out there who take the word of an "ex-cheater" over people who've been playing games clean for years. Cheaters are in denial and will never admit to it unless they feel some sort of guilt over cheating. Like I said, cheating is a mentality, nothing stops a cheater from deleting the files, but nothing stops a cheater from downloading them again either. Cheaters lose the benefit of the doubt when they got banned/got caught cheating.

     

    I've seen from many games in my experience of playing shooters people who were known cheaters, but want to act like they changed, and they really don't actually change to begin with. It's just them trying to say "I'm a pro, you just suck" without actually doing anything of value. Even if one cheater "changes his ways", that doesn't represent the other 99% of cheaters, and there's a guarantee he might go back to cheats if he can't deal with losing and not getting better.

     

    So that's my source. Common sense and previous experience.

     

    Except from the same experience i can argue something else entirely. Besides common sense being vacuous.

     

    There have been documented cases of Counter Strike ( You know of this game right?) PROFESSIONALS, that were caught cheating. Not 360 spin botting in tournaments, but changes so subtle that they lasted years before caught. Even then, those subtle "advantages" were so small, every single one of those pros would still be better than you at the game, that's a given. So at the very beginning its not only a case of being objectively "good" or not.

     

    Cheating is not a biological disposition like being gay or disease. Cheating is a choice, at no point in time is a person so out of control that they can not decide whether to start cheating or stop cheating. Its a constant choice to turn on your pc, turn on the game and turn on cheats. Its a multiple stage choice. You cant choose to be gay or to stop having cancer.

     

    "When a cheater gets banned, he only learns how to avoid getting caught, and doesn't learn how to stop cheating." - This is the WHOLE REASON why today, bans are delayed and take so long to enact. Delays hinder that kind of information gathering. Even if they use one part of a cheat they still wont know what they did while using it that gave themselves away.

     

    Such as; following players no matter where they are on the map would gain more attention as opposed to being in the right area at the right time.

     

    Unfortunately, theres a lot of dumb people who gain a bias towards themselves and others who have been playing games clean for years. Its not impossible for a cheater or ex cheater to change their mindset when it comes to playing games fairly. If nothing stops a cheater from deleting files or downloading them again, nothing is there to stop a "clean" player from copying those files or downloading them either. Everyone has the same opportunity to turn to the underground of gaming given their mentality. Just because you are "clean" now, does not mean you always will be, everyone started from 0.

     

    It should be common sense to not stereotype large groups of people, instead of trying to figure out if a person does or doesn't represent the other 99%, maybe we should judge them on a case by case basis?

    At the end of the day its up to them to change, no amount of belittling or strong arming people into justice is going to change that. So there is no point in accusing people of crimes that are yet to happen.

     

    There are probably more productive things people can do to incentivize playing clean, instead of waiting in the shadows ready to call out "I knew it".

     

    I guarantee i might have a stroke one day.

  24. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    7 hours ago, NotTheEnforcer said:

    Apples to Oranges, kid. Try your useless comparisons on someone who didn't study law. (Business Law at that)

     

    Ill give you the very basic rundown of why online cheating (that doesn't directly involve business affairs, for example: cheating in video games as compared to online gambling, which is a direct business-related affair) isn't an actual crime in the US Courts: Because the resources spent finding and punishing those who do it far outweighs the industry effects of the cheaters.

     

    That's extremely basic industry/law, you should know that

    You see how useless that idea is now?

     

    You only pointed out that not that cheating cant turn into convictions but just that usually cheating doesn't turn into convictions.

    Right now, it costs too much money (according to you) to find and catch cheat developers, however, if that were to change by some form of technology reducing this cost generally (since for extreme cases this technology already works) , we would be right where thejellygoo theorized we would be.

     

    Saying something is improbable as opposed to being impossible is quite literally talking apples to oranges.

    Once the means are realistically applicable, the courts wont do anything to stop them from happening.

     

    We're talking a gigantic industry with millions of people. That seems like it could have a big effect on a game or gaming industry.

    If youre appart of the problem you should be held accountable.

     

    Do you get let off from jail time because during a riot you only stole 1 item and everyone else stole 50?

    Do you get let off from jail because you only beat up a person someone else killed?

    Also; see Nazi's. Not every Nazi would have killed someone but they were held accountable for the actions of their ideals.

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  25. Posted · Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog

    4 hours ago, SillyBear said:

    Thats a good read coming from a person with experience about it.

     

    Whats ur drive then?

    Personally, my drive is to be "good", as per my definitions, i don't really care for the standards of others. I set a goal and work for it, once i reach that goal i set a higher one. Over the 11 years of gaming experience I've had you can reasonably estimate the level of my current goals.

    Any particular person i kill, beat, defeat, whatever, is just another number to me. Even then i believe in quality > quantity.

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