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-One of the Two Free2Play assault rifles -Its versatile -Enjoyable gameplay -Like using assault rifles People aren't skipping the other guns. Everyone has used every gun at some point im sure. People tend to have favorites though. Also in regards to the "plethora" amount of guns. There aren't alot... They're just pre modded versions of the guns. They've only added ONE new primary (the oscar). Not a whole lot.

Beating a gun with a gun doesn't make it broken....

Ntec is fine currently. Would still like to see it reverted to its previous state (minus the hb2 change). Its a strong mid range weapon. Yes it can kill in cqc as well. Should it not be able to? Just because someone body stuffs you or jump shots you doesn't make it broken or op. I've been using the gun since 2010. Its pick rate really isnt that absurd. Guns such as the HVR, OCA, and Carbine are picked just a frequently. Don't try to argue it with the stats they used for the weapon balancing because you shouldn't balance weapons based off 5% of the entire game (baylan fight club). The ntec in no way needs to be nerfed anymore than it has been already. I myself will never agree with the tap fire change to it and wish to see it reverted. Apart from that they shouldn't be nerfing it. ESPECIALLY if they're going to be buffing armas assault rifles. The last thing this game needs to do is create a pay2win atmosphere. The ntec needs to stay strong and other Assault Rifles need to be buffed up to where it is in different ways like the ATAC series. Edit: Yes its a balanced gun. Assault Rifles should be versatile. The ntec has a good range for Semi Rifles and snipers within 60m and enough fire rate to fight smgs in cqc. Even with those it still lacks the damage it can deal per bullet compared to snipers. It also lacks the corner popping and hipfire movement smgs/shotguns have. But inside its range of 30-50m its extremely strong and it preforms at its peak. Edit 2: I noticed you mentioned compared to other AR's. So im a firm believer in buffing the other assault rifles up to where the ntec is. Apart from the Star and the Far because i think those two are actually in a good place currently. Guns like the Cobra and the Misery need to have their own play style. Such as the ATAC. Yes if you compare the Ntec to other AR's then ya you can see where the scale might be leaning more towards the ntec but it doesn't make it broken or OP. Its because these guns they add have mechanics on them that just hurt them. Both the Cobra and the Misery have terrible bloom recovery. At the same time though the Cobra has a strong CQC hip fire capability and the Misery is a very accurate ranged Assault Rifle. I understand why you'd complain about the ntec being "broken" comparing it to other Assault rifles but its suppose to be strong because compared to the Star its less forgiving. These were the two assault rifles that were compared to one another long before the new ones. Its more the fault of the company for releasing guns that fall very short to the base weapons. You have to keep in mind that you should be comparing the Ntec and the Star when talking about AR's. I think you need to look at Armas Assault Rifles rather than changing the Baseline for Assault Rifles (Ntec and Star).

Ya i know we do. I'm just very tired currently so i miss read what you said. Other Ar's do need to be buffed. Hopefully the Misery and the Cobra changes will make for having some new AR options.

Ah yes i see. I'm just a wee bit tired currently. My mistake

Other ar's do need to be buffed up to the ntec. Granted i think the ntec should be reverted back to its original state (minus heavy barrel). No other AR's really are that unique. If others stood out more like the ATAC where it fit a specific role the ntec wouldnt seem so op.

By accurate you mean requires you to be up in their face. That doesn't need to be nerfed. Its fine as it is. Guns should be accurate up close because its easier to hit the hitbox?

The scoped Ntec actually has a 5m higher minimal effective range 75m compared to the base ntec which is 70m (neither of these including Improved Rifling). So you're sacrificing the ads mobility for less damage drop off at extreme ranges.

As i said before the heavy barrel change is fine. I do think there should be a penalty for less bloom. As for the tap firing of the ntec i do think it should be reverted. I'm not sure why you'd penalize the tap firing of the gun. You're intentionally tap firing for increased accuracy. I've never thought that it was a good idea to add what i refer to as gimmick mechanics to guns that were in the base game. While other guns such as the oden and killer bee have these gimmick playstyles on it. Gimmick things should be with guns on armas imo. Just my take on it. In short I really do feel the ntec bloom should be reverted back.

In regards to the ntec? Made it bloom after the 4th shot is much greater to slow down tapfiring and lowered the ntec damage to negate the 6 stk with heavy barrel 2.

Well my vote is for reverting the ntec to prebalance changes and seeing how it is with other guns that were changed. Then work on making other assault rifles stronger so they have a reason to be used.

I'm quite calm thank you. The reason i gave was because the ntec has always been in a good position. These other guns that are released have been in very poor spots apart from the atac. The Cobra/Adder and Misery are two prime examples of that. Same with the sniper catagory. The oblivion, anubis, and the dmr (not that it was a released weapon) are all in the same place as the cobra/adder and misery. Give them something that makes them stick out more and makes them something people want to play. You also have to keep in mind when you talk about changing the ntec that is is ONE of TWO free to play assault rifles.

You realize that having other AR's buffed isn't really relevant to the ntec right? Its just weapon balancing in general. The ntec itself being changed revolved around other guns pick rate (based on statistics that weren't really related to the actual core of the game imo).

Well tbh your choices should be a bit more detailed imo.

The big problem with this entire thread is the fact that people are wanting it nerfed. Why are we trying to nerf the ntec? To make other assault rifles viable? To increase other assault rifle pick rates? All you're doing by nerfing the ntec is making people change to carbine, obeya, nssw, oca. Literally every other weapon category. The reason people enjoy using the ntec is because it truly feels like an assault rifle. Why does the atac stand out from the ntec? Because its an assault rifle with a specific purpose. Its cqc heavy for the most part. Which is why people pick it. You shouldn't be nerfing the ntec. You should be making these other assault rifles have unique/different playstyles to them that make them appealing. Obviously people (like myself) enjoy the ntec because its a well rounded AR. That allows you to beat people in close and long range fights if you're putting the time into using the gun. Just because its an all around gun doesn't make the gun broken. Just because its used alot doesn't mean its broken either. Also i do think they need to roll back the balancing changes because the statistics they used were from fight club and tbh i don't think thats a very good way to determine weapon pick rate/balance changes. You're taking what 5% of a map and using that to balance weapons. You should be taking the main districts of the games and balancing them though that.

Ya. Rolling back just about everything and seeing how things go i think would be the best approach. I'm sure plenty of people will disagree with me but thats fine. Things like the "hvr nerf" didnt do anything. Then there are things like nerfing the oblivion's movement speed. Why is that even something that need to be adjusted? They buffed the RFP and now its used by almost every player. Yet people don't complain it needs to be nerfed? I've never really understood how people are enjoying the current balancing and why they complain/complained about the ntec and not the current RFP.

Based on the OP's join date I would have thought they knew it was nerfed already? Honestly they should roll it back and keep the other current weapon changes and see how it goes. Much better to buff things than it is to nerf stuff. Also nerfing the ntec again will just promote even more rushing in a car with oca, pmg, and carbine. No thanks.

Can you two (Thial and Virgil) chill out. You two don't need to get a thread locked because you have different opinions. Post your ideas, state your reasoning, and understand the fact that people feel differently. Don't need to start bashing one another or clans. If you feel the person's reasoning for the hvr being nerfed or untouched isn't reasonable or backed with any sort of backbone then just ignore it. People are here down voting my posts because i think it should be nerfed. Its whatever.

I think you missed the point. By doing that you're making the guns almost identical. At which point more players will continue to choose the hvr over the dmr. The dmr needs to stand out more to actually be more of an option.

There are mechanically skilled players but the hvr itself doesn't require any game knowledge to use. Doesn't require a immediate follow up shot either unlike the scout and the dmr.

No wonder you showed up then

I do also feel like these sort of gimmicks belong on joker box weapons or armas weapons. I think the base guns in the game should preform how they use to pre balance change. Things like the bloom jump on the ntec just seems out of place. I don't think it should be forced onto a gun. Guns though like the "god weapons" Oden and the LMGs like the Killer Bee should have these. If you're looking for a gimmicky game play style i think it should be optional. Like the killer bee always pulls to the left when you fire. I have personally never been a fan of the ntec change since day one. Granted i've mained the ntec for years and years. Alot of the time i just feel cheated out of a kill because you can't tapfire it like before. My point being is if you want to run a weapon with a gimmick you should opt in for it via joker box/armas.

Personally i think where it was before it was fine. I do think it was strong. It was an AR with good versatility. I think the change in heavy barrel for lowering the damage was ok but the large bloom increase after the 4th shot i find silly. I think it really hurts it with alot of the current guns. Specifically the Obeya Rifle and the Carbine.

To be honest there is nothing wrong with talking about weapon balancing and how people feel about the current state of weapons. For example i (and im sure some others) would like the ntec to be reverted to what it use to be. Its fine if some people disagree with me or agree. As long as people aren't putting knifes to each others throats i don't see the problem.

Then what would happen to the DMR? Because that's what you're describing right now.