Onadan 14 Posted December 7, 2018 On 12/4/2018 at 1:33 PM, LaQuandra said: Here is the argument. It is personal choice. If I want to buy loot boxes, drink alcohol, watch pornography, or smoke cigarettes....it's a personal choice. It violates nobody's personal freedoms. Why legislate what is a personal choice? Why make laws banning loot boxes when you can just not buy them. You said "NOBODY" as in 100% of people do NOT like loot boxes. That is untrue. There are people who purchase them in a variety of games. If people did not purchase loot boxes, game companies would not have them. I'd prefer APB stay free to play and people can decide themselves if they want to invest in the game buy purchasing premium, weapons, loot boxes, etc. Do you consider addictions and coercive marketing to be within the realm of personal choice? Because you seem to be using that term rather loosely. Also I am not arguing to make lootboxes forbidden, I'm arguing against their existence. I'm not sure wether you simply can't appreciate the nuance or just chose to ignore it. Besides, lootboxes carry exclusive items, so maybe you consider "my way or the highway" to be a satisfactory choice proposition; but if that's the case I think you're mental. And yeah, you can argue about my usage of hyperbole -of course there's going to be the weird one out there so, not every single human that ever lived conforms to that statement- but the vast majority does not enjoy purchasing lootboxes. And yes, people purchase them. Guess what, that doesn't still mean anything other than "some people buy lootboxes". That is not an argument, you are making no point. As for "If people did not purchase loot boxes, game companies would not have them. " Well first of all, you don't know that. And it's not all companies either. And you're just stating the same thing again, which is "some people buy lootboxes". The last sentence is entirely beyond the point, I'm not sure wether you're desperate, have no idea how to argue, or simply just want to score brownie points. Don't bother replying if you have nothing constructive to say. NB: just stating "here is the argument" doesn't make the following sentences arguments. You have to argue a point for there to be an argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zolerox 564 Posted December 7, 2018 Told you to get closed 2 pages ago now enjoy the ensuing continuation banana (i ran out of words) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CookiePuss 5373 Posted December 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Onadan said: Do you consider addictions and coercive marketing to be within the realm of personal choice? Yes. Because they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kewlin 692 Posted December 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Onadan said: As for "If people did not purchase loot boxes, game companies would not have them. " Well first of all, you don't know that. And it's not all companies either. And you're just stating the same thing again, which is "some people buy lootboxes". I'm pretty sure it's virtually never happened that a game company continuously put out content in a form that they knew nobody would buy, so I'm pretty sure we can safely say that game companies would not have lootboxes if people didn't buy them. Either way, it's a moot point because we know people buy them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaQuandra 91 Posted December 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Onadan said: blah blah blah blah You asked for the argument, I gave you the argument. If you agree or disagree that is fine, but to say I didn't address it is absurd. You're arguing "against their existence." What is the point? They exist. I responded to whoever said they should be "illegal." In order for something to be "illegal" you need to create legislation aka LAWS that say loot boxes are illegal. My argument is why create laws when you have a personal choice. What is wrong with my last sentence? The point of loot boxes in a free to play game is to create revenue so the game can continue to run. As far as APB's loot boxes go, my personal opinion is they are pretty good. You have the personal choice to spend your real money and try to win the legendary gun, or you can trade your in game items and/or money and obtain the gun. Why are you so up in arms about them? Gamersfirst or Little Orbit has not used any coercive marketing strategies or taken advantage of anyone's addiction. You going to hold McDonald's responsible for people eating it everyday and getting fat? Going to hold beer companies responsible for preying on alcoholics addictions or causing drunk driving accidents? At what point do you put the responsibility on the individual? Don't like it? Don't buy it. I like freedom thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
